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Potential FDA Move on Recycling Grain Could Spike Beer Prices
KVDR ^ | April 4, 2014 | Shaul Turner

Posted on 04/04/2014 5:38:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: DBrow

The Marxists want us to eat no meat or cheese.


41 posted on 04/04/2014 7:18:26 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: driftdiver

It doesn’t matter if anyone disagrees or agrees, scientific facts are just that.


42 posted on 04/04/2014 7:25:38 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: kiryandil
I'm defending the right of farmers to grow which ever crop they want too.

In this case corn. As I pointed out up thread, the attacks on ethanol are not only short of scientific facts, many of the 'facts' that are used are nothing more than outright lies.

Sort of like the tactics used by the Global Warming people.

43 posted on 04/04/2014 7:30:04 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; driftdiver
This winter, the EPA got away with sticking it to peasants who heat with propane:

Propane shortage linked to ethanol

"To anyone wondering why there is a shortage of propane and doubling and tripling of the price this year: One reason is the 2007 government mandate on ethanol production.

Farmers planted record acres of corn in the spring of 2013. In fact, they planted corn in places it’s never been planted before. Corn was planted so far north that it didn’t ripen and mature before winter set in.

In a normal year, propane is put into storage in September, October and November in anticipation of the winter heating season. But this year, that propane was used to dry corn that was immature and wet.

You can’t blame farmers for planting more corn to take advantage of the fact that 30 percent of our corn crop is used to make ethanol..."

The EPA has made it profitable for farmers to dry wet, green corn in the early winter with propane energy, in order to produce ethanol energy. Somehow, I doubt the energy trade is even in the slightest.

At least you propane-heating peasants got it up the wazoo dry with the EPA's ethanol rhino horn, and you didn't even know that they were responsible!

BTW - they'll do it again this year, if they're not stopped.

44 posted on 04/04/2014 7:33:25 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Balding_Eagle
As I pointed out up thread, the attacks on ethanol are not only short of scientific facts, many of the 'facts' that are used are nothing more than outright lies.

What happened this fall & winter with corn production and propane is pretty much a fact.

What's your opinion about that?

BTW - I'm also against burning natural gas in power plants for the most part, like those California whackjobs insist on doing, and using compressed natural gas to power truck fleets.

Natural gas is great for heating and cooking. Don't let crazed whackjobs burn it for their pet Watermelon projects.

45 posted on 04/04/2014 7:39:48 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: nickcarraway
Leave beer alone!

Step away from my pint and no one gets hurt.

46 posted on 04/04/2014 8:06:22 PM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: nickcarraway
The government says doing this will cut down on the spread of bacteria that can make animals and people sick.

can this same gum'ment give any figures on just how many beer-mad cows are running around? Any at all? Even one?

47 posted on 04/04/2014 10:01:20 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: Balding_Eagle

The science says turning food into fuel is a bad idea. Bad on the food side and bad on the fuel side.

Its politics and out of control environmentalism.


48 posted on 04/05/2014 2:00:43 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: kiryandil
Hey, you ain't got one of them illegal woodstoves, have you?

I do have a flush toilet that actually works - and uses more water than the FedGov authorized 1.6 gallons. I have incandescent light bulbs at 100 watts and more. And, yes, I have a wood stove, plus all sorts of other useful items that some moron in DC thinks he has the right to deny me.

49 posted on 04/05/2014 3:14:15 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: nickcarraway

Follow the money.


50 posted on 04/05/2014 9:00:48 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: kiryandil
Farmers planted record acres of corn in the spring of 2013. In fact, they planted corn in places it’s never been planted before. Corn was planted so far north that it didn’t ripen and mature before winter set in.

You need to get a better source of information. The entire paragraph is false. So are most of the rest of the 'facts', including that constantly trumpeted "30% of corn for ethanol" which is an outright lie.

As to the price of propane, do you really think that it was only the NE who got hit with those prices? It wasn't.

Even the Midwest farmers, who you are blaming for those prices, got hit, and hard. What do you think those prices did to the livestock farmers who burn more propane in an hour than the average home uses in a month?

It also who help to examine why the NE got hit so hard.

Could it be that they have a Global Warming mindset, and didn't fill their tanks last summer when prices were low?

Could it be that they have a Global Warming mindset, and don't want to have fuel distribution pipelines located in the NE part of America?

Could it be that they have a Global Warming mindset, and don't want an electrical generation system that would sustain them located in their part of the country, thus having no auxiliary heat sources?

Could it be that they have a Global Warming mindset, and don't want to prepare for cold winters?

Don't blames the rest of us for their foolishness.

51 posted on 04/05/2014 9:13:30 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; driftdiver

DeNial ain’t just a river in Egypt...


52 posted on 04/05/2014 10:49:16 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

I’m bowled over by your fount of knowledge and wisdom.


53 posted on 04/05/2014 11:09:33 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; driftdiver
I’m bowled over by your fount of knowledge and wisdom.

It's actually "font of knowledge and wisdom".

Balding_Eagle wrote in post #51:

You need to get a better source of information. The entire paragraph is false. So are most of the rest of the 'facts', including that constantly trumpeted "30% of corn for ethanol" which is an outright lie.

This argument is a classic example of what I call an "Internet rebuttal".

To wit: "No, it's not. It's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you said.", followed by some inane ramblings which attempt to re-justify the original opinion which was questioned.

The Internet rebuttal is used to dismiss clear facts which are causing cognitive dissonance in the denier, who attempts to attack the messenger.

Clear fact #1: In the fall of 2013, US farmers used much of the propane that was destined to go into winter storage for domestic home heating needs.

Clear fact #2: The propane was used to dry large amounts of green, immature & wet corn, generated by late plantings.

Clear fact #3: The EPA's insistence on polluting the US gasoline supply with ethanol is a major driver of this economic abortion.

Balding_Eagle's "Internet rebuttal" was generated by his cognitive bias toward ethanol.

Sorry, Balding - burning propane energy to produce ethanol energy is a net loss in any thermodynamic equation.

Thanks for playing!

54 posted on 04/05/2014 11:41:56 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil
It's actually "font of knowledge and wisdom".

It's 'fount'. Perhaps you could sight your source for using font, which is normally used to designate type size. My site is Merriam-Webster. Readers could chose which site was more credible and affective.

As to the paragraph in question, a review of the actual data shows the first sentence to be false. As to the second sentence, while there may be an acre or two that was planted to corn where corn had never been grown before, it would be true only on a technicality, but not even close to true in the practical sense. The third sentence? Corn was planted where it normally was.

burning propane energy to produce ethanol energy is a net loss in any thermodynamic equation.

See post 37.

55 posted on 04/05/2014 12:09:58 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; driftdiver
It's 'fount' [of knowledge and wisdom].

More cognitive bias.

A cognitive bias is a pattern of deviation in judgment, whereby inferences about other people and situations may be drawn in an illogical fashion. Individuals create their own "subjective social reality" from their perception of the input. An individual's construction of social reality, not the objective input, may dictate their behaviour in the social world. Thus, cognitive biases may sometimes lead to perceptual distortion, inaccurate judgment, illogical interpretation, or what is broadly called irrationality.

The OED suggests that font of knowledge is now the more common form.

One of us went to university for free on his knowledge of the English language, and you didn't, naif.

The three clear facts I posted above stand, and your "Internet rebuttal" does not. Making stuff up and injecting your own opinion is not a rebuttal.

56 posted on 04/05/2014 1:14:27 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Balding_Eagle
I'm sorry. The "OED" is the Oxford English Dictionary. I just used the contraction, assuming that you would know what it was.

My apologies.

57 posted on 04/05/2014 1:22:22 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil
Making stuff up and injecting your own opinion is not a rebuttal.

I didn't make up anything, it was simply stated in my own words.

I've identified you as someone to whom facts don't matter, so I've decided to just play you along.

58 posted on 04/05/2014 1:32:27 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; driftdiver
I've identified you as someone to whom facts don't matter...

LOL! You've posted a FR "selfie". You've identified you as someone to whom facts don't matter.

True dat.

I, on the other hand, posted facts about what happened this winter with the domestic propane home heating supply. Deny them all you want. They're still true.

No one is interested in your opinion.

59 posted on 04/05/2014 1:38:15 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil
OK, I tire.

Farmers planted record acres of corn in the spring of 2013. In fact, they planted corn in places it’s never been planted before. Corn was planted so far north that it didn’t ripen and mature before winter set in.

Acres planted 2012: 97 million acres, USDA

Acres planed 2013: 95 Million acres, USDA

The other two are false also, however you can look then up.

Not that it will matter to you, you are not one to let facts cloud your judgment.

60 posted on 04/05/2014 1:59:32 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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