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Why can Mozilla have corporate convictions but not Hobby Lobby?
Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission ^ | APR 4, 2014 | PHILLIP BETHANCOURT

Posted on 04/05/2014 4:49:50 AM PDT by rhema

This week a well known company whose products I have used for years made national headlines. Why? They made a controversial decision based on their closely held corporate convictions in response to a national outcry. They were criticized by those on the other side who claimed that their expression of their organizational beliefs would violate the freedom of their employees and cause them harm.

No, I am not talking about Hobby Lobby. I am talking about Mozilla.

Yesterday, newly appointed Mozilla CEO Brandon Eich resigned amidst an online furor that erupted because he donated $1,000 to support California's Proposition 8 opposing the legalization of same sex marriage. Though Eich had worked for the company for years, made significant achievements in the tech field, and committed to keep his personal convictions isolated from his corporate leadership, criticisms (and even boycotts by some groups, like dating site OK Cupid) resulted in his resignation.

Isn't it interesting that many who don't think Hobby Lobby can have corporate convictions now think that Mozilla can?

The parallels between the two situations are striking. Of course, there are some distinctives between the two that keep them from being identical. But think about the similarities between them on the basis of the following assertion about convictional decision making by organizations (divided into four aspects): (1) Organizations can hold (2) closely held corporate convictions (3) that are used to make significant decisions (4) that reflect the beliefs of its leadership.

Let's think through the parallels between these two corporate situations in light of all four of aspects of the assertion above.

1. Organizations can hold: This is an issue of ability. Can an organization, as an organization, have corporate convictions that drive decisions. It is not a question of should they hold any particular conviction(s). It is Hobby Lobby's conviction that it will not provide abortion-inducing contraceptives. It is Mozilla's conviction that they will not be led by someone who opposes same sex marriage. It is inconsistent to suggest that one organization can have a core conviction and not the other.

2. Closely held corporate convictions: This is an issue of Identity. Notice the term is corporate conviction, not religious belief because Mozilla would likely deny that a particular religion is driving their decision. Regardless of whether an organization's convictions are explicitly based on religion, all companies have some form of corporate values. Both Hobby Lobby and Mozilla have explicitly stated core convictions. It is inconsistent to suggest that one organization can have corporate convictions and not another.

3. That are used to make significant decision: This is an issue of strategy. It should be expected that corporations make strategic decisions on the basis of their core values. In the case of Hobby Lobby, the decision was to oppose coverage of abortion inducing contraceptives. In the case of Mozilla, the decision was to remove a leader whose personal beliefs did not match their corporate values. It is inconsistent to suggest that it is right for one organization to make strategic decisions based on core convictions and not the other.

4. That reflect the beliefs of its leadership: This is a question of ideology. The personal preferences of a company's leadership can, and often do, shape the corporate convictions of an organization. One of the main critiques of Hobby Lobby is that its leadership has forced its convictions onto the employees of the organization. But isn't this precisely what Mozilla has done too? How would reactions have been different if Mozilla ran off their CEO for supporting same sex marriage rather than opposing it? Mozilla chairwoman Mitchell Baker said the company failed to stay "true to ourselves" and reflect its organizational culture of "diversity and inclusiveness." In both cases, the convictions of the leadership caused the organization to make controversial decisions. It is inconsistent to suggest that it is right for one organization to make decisions that reflect the ideologies of its leaders and not the other.

Mozilla's decision has raised major concerns for those who care about freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Whether you are Hobby Lobby or your hobby is to lobby for what you believe, you must count the costs of your convictions.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: brendaneich; california; hobbylobby; homosexualagenda; mozilla; religiousliberty

1 posted on 04/05/2014 4:49:50 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema

Because Mozilla has no balls and would rather a deviant crowd run their business!


2 posted on 04/05/2014 4:55:46 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: rhema

Sarcastic response -

“Because the lynch mob is always right.”


3 posted on 04/05/2014 5:01:45 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: rhema
Companies should run themselves as they see fit.
Consumers should buy products that they want to buy.
And government should protect the borders, run the courts, and deliver the mail.

But no one seems to be happy in these sensible roles. Everyone wants a role in social engineering, and wants to tell everyone else how to live their lives.

4 posted on 04/05/2014 5:07:27 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: rhema

Migrating to Opera browser and Evolution email client.


5 posted on 04/05/2014 5:09:45 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks rhema.

> Isn’t it interesting that many who don’t think Hobby Lobby can have corporate convictions now think that Mozilla can?

Is there a list of all the companies (like OK Cupid) and other entities participating in the Mozilla boycott?


6 posted on 04/05/2014 5:10:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: rhema

Because Mozilla and the Cultural Marxists have declared war on Christianity and traditional morality and they intend to win.


7 posted on 04/05/2014 5:16:11 AM PDT by NaturalBornC1t1zen (Democrat foreign policy = naive, stupid or treasonous.)
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To: rhema
” Why can Mozilla have corporate convictions but not Hobby Lobby? “

The answer to that is the same as the answer to, why George Soros' money is good in politics and the Koch Brothers' is not. Because Mozilla has the CORRECT corporate convictions.

8 posted on 04/05/2014 5:17:41 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: rhema

Because Mozilla aids and abets queers

Queers are sacred beings in the moonbat pantheon


9 posted on 04/05/2014 5:20:35 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: rhema; SunkenCiv

I removed Mozilla Firefox from my computer yesterday. Didn’t need it anyway, when any webpage I want to view is accessible through Chrome or Opera. Likewise, I plan to uninstall Mozilla Sunbird and Thunderbird today. Now if only I can find a good POP e-mail program to replace Thunderbird.


10 posted on 04/05/2014 5:50:00 AM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: rhema
Because Hobby Lobby's convictions are based on morality and morality is a bad thing - we will call good evil, and evil good.

Add to that the fact that it is only those who have the immoral/amoral convictions that are willing to stand up for the convictions. We look down our nose at those who are willing to do whatever it takes (rioting/protesting/filing endless lawsuits) in order to fulfill their depraved agenda. We consider ourselves to be "above that" and allow them to dictate to us. Our side seems really good at expressing our "outrage" in forums and other relatively benign venues, but do not follow up except to tell ourselves and others that "someday" our knights in shining armor will show up to save the day and we can rally round them. We still go under the false meme that we are a nation of laws while we sit back and allow the lawless to walk over us. We want to "fight fair and in a civilized manner" while we allow the other side to walk over us and our protests that what they do is "just p[lain wrong and illegal".

We are now in a state of lawlessness and those who adhere to the "law" under these conditions are doomed to failure.

11 posted on 04/05/2014 5:50:16 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: rhema

Same reason it’s detestable for a bakery to refuse to bake for a gay wedding, yet it’s laudable for Susanna Martinez’s gay hairdresser to refuse to style Martinez’s hair.

Double standard.


12 posted on 04/05/2014 6:01:05 AM PDT by randita
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To: rhema
 photo FABU_zpsca5a146b.jpg Beware the Gay nazis They're fierce!
13 posted on 04/05/2014 6:06:09 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Westbrook

Will check them out. Time to leave Homozilla, FagFox and LGBThubderbird behind.


14 posted on 04/05/2014 6:06:29 AM PDT by polymuser
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To: NaturalBornC1t1zen

> Because Mozilla and the Cultural Marxists have declared war on Christianity and traditional morality and they intend to win.

And mat they all be Chik-Fil-A’d


15 posted on 04/05/2014 6:12:10 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

> Because Mozilla and the Cultural Marxists have declared war on Christianity and traditional morality and they intend to win.

And may they all be Chik-Fil-A’d


16 posted on 04/05/2014 6:12:47 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: rhema
Since this event is getting so much air time, I hope that it will backfire on them. The hypocrisy of the gay-lesbian lobby (as well as that of all leftists) needs to be exposed at every opportunity!
17 posted on 04/05/2014 6:52:37 AM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: rhema

Big difference is that Hobby Lobby isn’t firing any employees because they do not share the same beliefs as the corporate leadership.


18 posted on 04/05/2014 6:52:49 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: rhema

I use Google Chrome, am assuming it is ok and not affiliated with Mozilla in any way shape or form ?


19 posted on 04/05/2014 7:02:52 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge

no..

but there are many reasons not to use chrome (owned by google) as well.


20 posted on 04/05/2014 7:10:07 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: rhema
Why can Mozilla have corporate convictions but not Hobby Lobby?

I hope this question is rhetorical. If it's serious, you are a victim of the "double-standard fallacy" that too many conservatives believe in.

Mozilla can have corporate convictions because their convictions help to destroy America and further the revolution. Hobby Lobby can't, because their convictions protect America and retard the revolution.

One, simple, single standard, always and everywhere true.

21 posted on 04/05/2014 7:40:37 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: rhema

“Why can Mozilla have corporate convictions but not Hobby Lobby?”

Because, comrade, Hobby Lobby is an enemy of the Revolution and Mozilla is not.

/s/

IMHO


22 posted on 04/05/2014 7:48:08 AM PDT by ripley
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To: rhema

Great article!

The difference is that the government is not telling Mozilla what its corporate convictions have to be .... not yet.

That is coming though.


23 posted on 04/05/2014 8:22:04 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: bert

This needs to be repeated each time one sees queers selling stuff at the Bose store or Apple store at upper hand malls.

I see shopping mothers totally ridiculously impressed subservient to them as well as to their whore female “breathens” in high heels.

This is not about mere gay or sinner, this is a Sodomitic cult.


24 posted on 04/05/2014 8:36:35 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: ripley

Ever since gays came up with the Civil Rights equity between black and gay, the whole idea of civil rights has been spun onnits head with slavery now not only legalized but also a protected right of choice and preferences.


25 posted on 04/05/2014 8:41:00 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: trebb

Indeed, while we are busy in courts justifying ourselves in reinventing the wheel of morality, they are outside arresting and murdering others and not stopping, the Obama-Clintonista scandal terroista machine style.

We need to go at the injunction level and cease and desist order and start doing arrests instead of using money for the lawyers inapropriately.


26 posted on 04/05/2014 8:47:14 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Berosus

Couple of very old workhorses are still pulling their ploughs. I’ve used both, not in a long while. I’m not good about getting my email, for one thing.

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Eudora
http://www.eudora.com/

one I’ve never heard of:

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and an “About” page:

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27 posted on 04/05/2014 9:35:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: lavaroise

Just say NO!


28 posted on 04/05/2014 9:35:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m trying an e-mail program called Postbox. So far it looks like it will do the trick. The interface is similar to Thunderbird, and it loaded my Thunderbird address book and letters without hesitation. The only drawback I see is a minor one — it’s shareware, so after a 30-day trial I’ll have to pay $9.95.


29 posted on 04/05/2014 10:19:41 AM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: bert; lavaroise

And not only queers are sacred; so are aborted babies. It seems to me that the struggle used to be over civil rights, but now it is over civil wrongs.


30 posted on 04/05/2014 10:24:12 AM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: rhema

The moral difference is quite significant. In the case of Hobby Lobby nobody is being persecuted for their belief.


31 posted on 04/05/2014 10:59:52 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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