Skip to comments.Spc. Ivan Lopez And PTSD: Is There A Link Between Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder And Violence?
Posted on 04/05/2014 4:59:28 AM PDT by don-o
Secretary of the Army John McHugh told Bloomberg that Lopez was prescribed drugs for anxiety, sleeping problems and depression, but a psychiatrists evaluation last month found that he was no threat to himself or others. Theres no indication that he was diagnosed with PTSD before his death.
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He claimed to have PTSD, and apparently had been trying to get the army to diagnose him with it.
He did claim to have a traumatic head injury ...
From a source that I believe we cannot post from - I found information that he had been given seretonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs, as well. I understand that is a problematic combination.
About a year or so later he suddenly decided that while he was in Iraq he had suffered a traumatic brain injury - apparently a traumatic brain injury that no one noticed at the time, not even him.
Well gee...it says right here on the enclosed list of side effects that it can cause HOMICIDAL tendencies and SUICIDE!
Nothing to see here...move along to the table with the petition to ban guns.
This guy was a weird guy - he was a grown man who was apparently obsessed with the band Slipknot.
He was into some dark stuff.
I also suspect that his magically invented fake brain injury was a ploy for disability payments that went south.
And of course people on SSRIs commit suicide at higher rates than average: they are prescribed for clinical depression. Like any drug they don't always work as well for some individuals as they do for others.
I personally know of a person who committed suicide from side effect of extreme anxiety caused by Ambien.
There's no doubt in my mind that the drugs he was taking created his current frame of mind......
Why not do a survey of all WWII vets who contracted PTSD and see if their suicide/homicide rates are any higher?
Whenever these drug threads pop up, the entire concept of personal responsibility for one's actions go by the wayside.
Ivan Lopez is responsible for the evil things he did.
Ivan Lopez intentionally and with malice aforethought murdered those innocent people.
He's the one who selfishly abandoned his wife and little daughter.
His family members can say all they want: "He wasn't that type of guy!"
He did it. He was that type of guy.
BUT good old Hollywood and the liberal press want to paint all combat vets as barely functioning human time bombs waiting to cut loose on innocent bystanders and that isn't even close to the truth. Remember all those predictions of Vietnam Vets running amok? The movies like Rambo where we vets were just one thinly-veiled insult away from complete mayhem and mass murder? Needless to say, that's all BS and everybody should know that by now. We came home, got over our nightmares and got going with life just like everybody else has done over the centuries.
I have known guys who really had unrecoverable psychological stress from war - and they generally just ended their own lives rather than bother anybody else. All this PTSD gobbledegook is just the latest signal from the non-serving public that they prefer to label rather than support.
Lopez was probably one of the many inadequate people recruited to fill the volunteer numbers we sometimes do when the volunteer stream during a war slows down. He should have been flagged a long time ago, if he had any useful leadership around.
Again, his choices of entertainment show that he was nursing pretty dark thoughts for a long period of time.
IMHO since I have a family member diagnosed with this disorder - best thing is physical therapy (if you have health insurance that covers it) or massage therapy (Reiki) if you don’t have health insurance but be prepared to pay $80-100 per session. Saved his life. Not the hippy dippy incense burning sexual stuff.
Truth be known, mental “sicko’s” have been our military for eons. I recall at least two of them onboard a ship I was assigned to and one of shore duty. All were eventually “culled” out of the Navy. Problem is today, they are “protected”, hence the end result at Fort Hood.
Have any of you have/had this? I have multi. head injuries & ptsd which seem to go hand in hand with each other. You can have one without the other as well. I got mine from an motorcycle accident on Nov. 5, 1997 [that was the last one] For this I am currently on 6 different meds to control/deal with this. You also have to have talk therapy both in a group & in private settings to help deal with the trauma/s. Head injuries have an accumulative effect [they build upon them selves] and thus making is even easier to receive another one. It also 30-40 years to heal from just 1 tbi & it’s effects can last a life time, depending on where the damage is, in the brain. It has taken me 16 years to get to a point in my life where I can no longer be considered dangerous, but my wife is now my fiduciary/keeper [and that is a 24/7 job in it’s self] Because of my actions I have put my family through hell because of my actions.
The Army has some responsibility in this too. 1] by not explaining why he could not go on leave due to medical reasons [when starting SSRI’s never leave a pt. alone]2] He should have been restricted to the unit area/s for observation,3] never been able to purchase a pistol in his medical condition/s till stabilized.4] have assigned a person in unit to look out for him.
He was in a injured solider/wounded warrior unit, so these folks need to handled differently than everyoneelse. Their rules of behavior are different than deplorable units.
With that being said he is RESPONSIBLE for his actions. He choose to get a pistol, then to carry it, then in a fit of rage use it.
You have actually suffered one, and confronted the effects of a real trauma head on, and have courageously met the challenges.
I respect and admire your character.
Ivan Lopez was a malingerer and a coward.
The deaths of the relatives was months ago.
He bought the gun at the same place that Hasan did.
He was at Fort Hood for two months....the same time as Hasan.
Sorry...the guy was a closet Muslim. And the whole government take is a coverup for just another muzzie.
Then there's the story two days earlier that the FBI was looking for someone who was going to pull off a "Hasan". They said it was a different guy...but I believe they knew...and let him ride because he was a MUzzie.
Remember, suicide for the cause is a good thing in the world of Muzzies.
I took it once, given after major surgery in the hospital. Best way to describe it would be an LSD trip, I guess. Complete unreality, horrible.
Good observation about time frame and source of the gun. Ft. Hood and military commanders in general better get their s*** together.
Might want to look at recruiters telling enlistees to NOT mention they are taking meds and have been treated for psych problems BEFORE they show up for duty.
Might want to forward this to an investigative reporter to dig into how many recruits have had psych disorders and stopped meds prior to enlistment on advice from recruiters.
Just may be easy to find by visiting base hospitals and chewing the fat with emergency room doctors treating lots of patients with stress and anxiety disorders that are recent recruits.
Cause if you go in crazy, the Army isn’t going to help that.
I am surprised that this matter seems to not have garnered attention in the media. The he was medicated is pretty much a throwaway line in a lot of articles.
Youtube search for ambien hallucinations. I watched one where a guy chased a dragon around his room. This stuff is s doctor prescribed LSD trip.
Physical therapy? Maybe if it comes with a happy ending.
But a lot of doctors prescribe it for daily use for years. Too many doctors ignore the recommended limits on drugs and in the process create drug addicted patients that keep coming in every 30 days to renew their meds.
Good idea. Tweeted Sharyl Atkisson.
I only share my personal experience. If you think that physical danger and harm are only reflected in the brain and can only be cured/treated with psychotropic medication, then go for it. I’ve seen my family member before and after deep tissue massage therapy. I myself found myself crying after a deep tissue massage that I got a couple of months after my brother died. That was a minor trauma. Twice a week at first was a minimum for my family member. Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it.
Ambien is extremely enigmatic as a drug, and truthfully, we have no real idea of how powerful it is or its side effects.
To start with, it is well known for causing “extensive sleepwalking”. A bizarre phenomenon where people still wearing pajamas get in their car and drive a mile or two before slowly steering into a wall or tree or something, while sound asleep.
Even stranger, an accidental discovery in South Africa was that it could wake some people in persistent comas.
The brain chemical GABA determines whether we are awake or asleep. Ambien is used as a sleep aid, and yet is a GABA inhibitor. This means that it suppresses the chemical that makes us sleep, but this somehow helps us to sleep.
When you have a brain injury, your brain releases extra GABA to temporarily turn off the injured part of the brain so that it can heal, even causing a coma. However, in some people, this sensitizes their brain to GABA, so that even when their GABA levels return to normal, they remain in a coma. This is the theory of how Ambien woke up people in a persistent coma, by inhibiting their normal levels of GABA.
Throwing such a powerful drug at a normal brain is risky enough; but when it is given to someone with psychological problems, it is asking for trouble.
He was on Ambien, that will make anyone crazy.
If you've ever dreamt that you've won a lottery or that you asked a woman out and she said yes, and then you wake up in a good mood - and then 30 seconds later you think "Aargh! It was just a dream" - Ambien can nurture that delusion for waking hours, not waking seconds.
If you wake up in the middle of the night and think for a second that the coat rack is an intruder, on Ambien that momentary hallucination might last for a while and then recur, making you question what you're seeing and hearing for much longer than a second or two.
But Ambien does not turn a normal person into a cold, premeditated killer.
It's ridiculous to believe that these occurrences wouldn't have a strong effect on our young people and it's also ridiculous to think that drugs/magic/massages will heal someone. Almost all of our combat vets recover fine with the help of fellow veterans and their family. It takes time - a lot of time, sometimes and getting involved with a good job, raising kids, and so on.
We've done it and we're doing it, just like we always have.
So these stories ....he was on drugs....he was pi**** off about leave....I believe is a line of cr**.
Like I said....closet Muslim...suicide insures him of 72 virgins.
ah.....”premeditated”...but...but...the government said it was because of a leave thing...yeh, right...
He came to ask for leave, planning to kill people if he was denied leave.
How do you perform a double-blind study
on the relationship of suicide and SSRIs ???
Adverse reactions are most likely to occur when starting or discontinuing the drug, increasing or lowering the dose or when switching from one SSRI to another. Adverse reactions are often diagnosed as bipolar disorder when the symptoms may be entirely iatrogenic (treatment induced). Withdrawal, especially abrupt withdrawal, from any of these medications can cause severe neuropsychiatric and physical symptoms. It is important to withdraw extremely slowly from these drugs, often over a period of a year or more, under the supervision of a qualified and experienced specialist. Withdrawal is sometimes more severe than the original symptoms or problems.
You can carry a weapon on base if you register it.
So if he got leave, he wouldn't have shot anyone??
Sorry....the plan was to kill.
Ambien doesn’t make you buy a gun.
But a cocktail of SSRIs has
Of cause not !
many links to mass murders.
But a cocktail of SSRIs has
He didn't enter a random building and just open fire.
We do not know if there were any drugs at all in his system.
All the talk about military suicide and violence omits some very important facts: The military is made up of individuals overwhelmingly male, young and far from home.
FACT: Males are 7 times more likely than females to commit suicide, and far more likely to be violent as well.
FACT: The Young are far more likely to commit suicide or violence than those who are children or more mature (exception: the very elderly).
FACT: Those living far from their roots are significantly more likely to commit suicide than those living close to family.
FACT: Unattached males are more likely to commit suicide or violence than those who are married or in long-term relationships.
Add all this up and the REAL question is “Who is more likely to commit suicide or violence, the SOLDIER who is unattached, far from home, male and young, OR the CIVILIAN who is unattached, far from home, male and young?”
I submit to you that it is probably the civilian.
When comparison of suicide and violence rates appear in the press, the military is compared to the general population, rather than a cohort of civilians similar in make-up to the military, a statistical method which wildly distorts the real picture.
What you are describing is anecdotal.
How would you perform it a double-blind experiment ?
What you are describing is anecdotal.
That my FRiend is a presumption on your part.
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