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Spc. Ivan Lopez And PTSD: Is There A Link Between Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder And Violence?
International Business Times ^ | April 3, 2014 | Howard Koplowitz

Posted on 04/05/2014 4:59:28 AM PDT by don-o

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Secretary of the Army John McHugh told Bloomberg that Lopez was prescribed drugs for anxiety, sleeping problems and depression, but a psychiatrist’s evaluation last month found that he was no threat to himself or others. There’s no indication that he was diagnosed with PTSD before his death.

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To: wideawake
The premeditation began when he bought the gun. We know where he bought the gun...but not when he bought the gun.

You can carry a weapon on base if you register it.

So if he got leave, he wouldn't have shot anyone??

Sorry....the plan was to kill.

41 posted on 04/05/2014 9:44:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Uri’el-2012

Ambien doesn’t make you buy a gun.


42 posted on 04/05/2014 9:45:22 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Uri’el-2012
The analysis is much more straightforward: do depressives who are SSRI takers have higher rates of suicide than those who aren't?
43 posted on 04/05/2014 9:47:12 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Sacajaweau
Ambien doesn’t make you buy a gun.

Of cause not !

But a cocktail of SSRIs has
many links to mass murders.


44 posted on 04/05/2014 9:49:26 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Witnesses said that he asked for a leave form and when he was told to come back later, that's when he started shooting.

He didn't enter a random building and just open fire.

45 posted on 04/05/2014 9:50:58 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Uri’el-2012

We do not know if there were any drugs at all in his system.


46 posted on 04/05/2014 9:52:00 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Uri’el-2012
Correlation is not causation. People on SSRIs are, by definition, mentally unstable.
47 posted on 04/05/2014 9:52:11 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: don-o

All the talk about military suicide and violence omits some very important facts: The military is made up of individuals overwhelmingly male, young and far from home.

FACT: Males are 7 times more likely than females to commit suicide, and far more likely to be violent as well.

FACT: The Young are far more likely to commit suicide or violence than those who are children or more mature (exception: the very elderly).

FACT: Those living far from their roots are significantly more likely to commit suicide than those living close to family.

FACT: Unattached males are more likely to commit suicide or violence than those who are married or in long-term relationships.

Add all this up and the REAL question is “Who is more likely to commit suicide or violence, the SOLDIER who is unattached, far from home, male and young, OR the CIVILIAN who is unattached, far from home, male and young?”

I submit to you that it is probably the civilian.

When comparison of suicide and violence rates appear in the press, the military is compared to the general population, rather than a cohort of civilians similar in make-up to the military, a statistical method which wildly distorts the real picture.


48 posted on 04/05/2014 9:59:52 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: wideawake
The analysis is much more straightforward: do depressives who are SSRI takers have higher rates of suicide than those who aren't?4

How would you perform it a double-blind experiment ?

What you are describing is anecdotal.

Link here


49 posted on 04/05/2014 10:03:13 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: wideawake
Correlation is not causation. People on SSRIs are, by definition, mentally unstable.

That my FRiend is a presumption on your part.

50 posted on 04/05/2014 10:05:55 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Secretary of the Army John McHugh told Bloomberg that Lopez was prescribed drugs for anxiety, sleeping problems and depression,

That is a cocktail.


51 posted on 04/05/2014 10:11:17 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Uri’el-2012
Two basic facts, neither of which are presumptions:

(1) SSRIs are indicated for people with mental instability.

(2) Double blind studies are only one variety of clinical study. They are not prescriptive, and not the only way to derive reliable statistical information.

52 posted on 04/05/2014 10:13:46 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

“He claimed to have PTSD, and apparently had been trying to get the army to diagnose him with it.”

following through.....so he could get a “check for life”, perhaps his actions were in part due to not getting what he felt was his entitlement.

We’ve got so many people getting so many different “checks for life” that when they stop, we’ll probably have many more episodes like this.


53 posted on 04/05/2014 10:24:28 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: wideawake
(1) SSRIs are indicated for people with mental instability.

(2) Double blind studies are only one variety of clinical study. They are not prescriptive, and not the only way to derive reliable statistical information.

Prescribing SSRIs to normal people will cause mental instability.
They are psychotropic drugs.

How would you mitigate the placebo effect ?


54 posted on 04/05/2014 10:24:29 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: don-o

The Iraq/Afghan theater vets can just join the large list of Vietnam vets who, castigated as a group in every news story for decades if found to have served either actually in Vietnam or just been in the service in that period. The news terms as they read of any crime or incident would always contain the words ‘who served in Vietnam’, ‘was a Vietnam vet’ and the oh so common ‘served in the Vietnam era’ placed all of them in the bizzarro world of Vets are all crazy looney toons. Biggest problem with this latest shooter will be the pulling of all vets with a PTSD rating or complaint of PTSD, having courts render them incapable of owning a firearm ‘just in case’ they go bonkers like Lopez.


55 posted on 04/05/2014 10:24:45 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: redcatcherb412
I have never understood PTSD among a group I identify with, VN Vets.

All my friends and most of my cousins that were of age served in Viet Nam almost a hundred people. Most served one tour and others served two or more tours in the Combat Arms, Army and Marine.

Except for my step brother, we have questions, came home, were wild for a while, nothing serious, in the face of serious defamation, and are now Grandfathers and were the most part successful in their lives.

56 posted on 04/05/2014 10:37:37 AM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: Sacajaweau

Wouldn’t doubt it. Especially when the first thing they say is that it WASN’T related to terrorism. Then again the hassan massacre WAS work place violence./sarc.


57 posted on 04/05/2014 12:23:51 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Uri’el-2012

The placebo effect is completely irrelevant - so many people have been taking SSRIs for so many years that you can run the statistics directly. There is no need to project what might happen - we have enormous data sets chronicling what already has happened.


58 posted on 04/05/2014 3:13:07 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Sacajaweau
The NY Post is now reporting that Lopez entered the office, requested leave forms, was told he had to wait, had words with the clerk, left the office, then returned with a firearm and began shooting.

This is not consistent with terrorism. I submit that it is consistent with someone thinking: "I am going to ask them nicely once, and if they don't give me what I want, I am going to teach them a lesson."

59 posted on 04/05/2014 3:17:27 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Eagles6

See post 59. This guy is different from Hassan.


60 posted on 04/05/2014 3:18:41 PM PDT by wideawake
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