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Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
The Atlantic ^ | APR 4 2014 | CONOR FRIEDERSDORF

Posted on 04/05/2014 8:40:34 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

A half-dozen years ago, Brendan Eich donated $1,000 to the campaign for Proposition 8, the California ballot initiative that set out to ban same-sex marriage. It passed with 52 percent of the vote, but was later overturned by the courts.

I hated and opposed that ballot initiative. That same year, in fact, I spent more time arguing in favor of gay marriage than any other issue. In private, I tried to persuade various family members and acquaintances that they ought to cast ballots against Proposition 8. At Culture11, a now-defunct web magazine where I worked, my boss Joe Carter and I went countless rounds during spirited intra-office debates about whether there was, in fact, a strong conservative case for gay marriage, a position that I maintained and that he rejected. And I published a lot of pro-gay marriage commentary for public consumption.

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Got rid of Firefox this morning.

Remember when Kali was the home of "free speech"?

1 posted on 04/05/2014 8:40:34 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Liberals don’t have values, only variables.


2 posted on 04/05/2014 8:41:47 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Second Amendment First

Free Leftist and preferably Communist and or “gay” speech..


3 posted on 04/05/2014 8:41:58 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

From now on I shall refer to them as “free speech deniers”.


4 posted on 04/05/2014 8:44:17 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First
Remember when Kali was the home of "free speech"?

Truthfully, never. The rebels of the 60s were always totalitarians, but now they have complete power in California, DC, and everyplace else that (at least for them) really counts--and they are going to stick it to everybody else.

5 posted on 04/05/2014 8:44:33 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: Paladin2
Liberals don’t have values, only variables.

Bump

6 posted on 04/05/2014 8:45:13 AM PDT by A message
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To: Second Amendment First
re: Mozilla’s Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values

No, It does not violate modern liberal values. It violates their stated values and it DOES violate classical liberal values. However that was waaaay in the past and is only now used as a cover when and if it is needed.

7 posted on 04/05/2014 8:48:13 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Second Amendment First
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8 posted on 04/05/2014 8:51:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Second Amendment First

Good article.


9 posted on 04/05/2014 8:57:11 AM PDT by uncitizen (Impeach the Communist Already!)
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To: Second Amendment First

Liberals are fascists at heart. Inside every liberal, is a fascist waiting to get out.

Brendan Eich was shoved out the door at Mozilla not because he made a “wrong” political donation but because he held a view of which the Lavender Mafia disapproved.

No one at Mozilla can ever hold traditional views - and if they dare to voice them - they can expect the liberal lynch mob to come for them baying for their blood.

This is the new American tolerance in our corporate culture and body politic. Its fascism and proud of it.


10 posted on 04/05/2014 9:00:05 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Second Amendment First

Notice how first off, the liberal writer feels he has to innoculate himself from the idea of being opposed gay marriage before he can go on to make his point. Even he knows the fascists would dismiss him outright if he didn’t.


11 posted on 04/05/2014 9:19:13 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: Second Amendment First
Also be sure to let them know how you feel:

Submit feedback

...and also check out some of the other responses:

Feedback responses

12 posted on 04/05/2014 9:19:26 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: goldstategop

Now that gays have goose-stepped out of the closet, Christians will be forced to go into the closet.


13 posted on 04/05/2014 9:20:10 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: Edward Teach

Wow! Gayzilla is getting hammered with negative feedback.


14 posted on 04/05/2014 9:25:26 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: goldstategop
What they should have done was fired the Moz employees who took to social media to harass Eich. But no, they're still employed.
15 posted on 04/05/2014 9:51:35 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Mine is gone too.


16 posted on 04/05/2014 9:54:33 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Second Amendment First; aquila48
I have NOT gotten rid of Firefox, nor will I. My reasons are simple:

- While I find what Mozilla did gutless and despicable, there is not ONE (1) browser alternative that isn't run by a company just as bad - and in some instances worse.

- Microsoft has had ‘domestic partner’ benefits programs in place for over a decade.

- Besides being gay friendly, Google is clearly anti-Christian and downright anti-American. And engaged in more spying than the NSA.

- If you will add ‘Ghostery’ and ‘No Script’ to Firefox, set them both on ‘kill everything’ you will come as close as possible to being able to surf anonymously. Yes, because of these blocking actions some web sites won't work properly, but screw them.

(And for the record, at this moment while I am on Free Republic, Google Analytics, tidynetwork, and vlamac are all being blocked.)

If you really want to support only those companies that support man and woman marriage, you may as well just shut the computer off and walk away. If you aren't ready to give up on the Internet, then from the bad choices available you might as well choose the one that gives you the most protection.

17 posted on 04/05/2014 10:44:48 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name

I get that, but not sure that there’s not ONE browser alternative.

What is your issue with Opera? I switched to that and find it way faster than Firefox was and it supports extensions, including Ghostery (which I have used for quite some time now).


18 posted on 04/05/2014 10:57:47 AM PDT by Zarro (Find and support the Truth in Media Project)
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To: Second Amendment First

I started laughing at the part where liberals have “Values” what values would that be..the same “Values” Hitler had..then I guess yeah, Liberals have values


19 posted on 04/05/2014 10:58:08 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Flick Lives

One of the comments on the Mozilla site said almost exactly the same thing... surprisingly, he admitted that he was a queer and didn’t agree with things coming out this way (and also gave the ‘unhappy’ face).


20 posted on 04/05/2014 11:24:27 AM PDT by Bikkuri ( those would have been affected.)
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To: Zarro

“What is your issue with Opera?”

A few years ago - nothing. Now it is just a pretty facade built over a google engine (and therefore I am certain it has all of the backdoors and holes that google puts in its software.)

While it is becoming more and more difficult, I still try to avoid google as much as possible.


21 posted on 04/05/2014 11:26:15 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name; Second Amendment First

Sadly, you’re right...

However, it’s still worth shooting at the target that is currently most visible and in range - right now it’s Firefox.


22 posted on 04/05/2014 11:31:59 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Edward Teach

Thanks for the links...

I was looking for a way to let them know how I felt.


23 posted on 04/05/2014 11:48:17 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: I cannot think of a name; Second Amendment First

Know anything about Pale Moon Browser?

http://www.palemoon.org/download-ng.shtml


24 posted on 04/05/2014 12:18:14 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: I cannot think of a name

Search for Pale Moon. It uses the Mozilla source code, but states that it is in NO way affiliated with Mozilla. The add-ons work too (along with greasemonkey, if you ise that here).


25 posted on 04/05/2014 12:18:25 PM PDT by Bikkuri ( those would have been affected.)
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To: aquila48

Just recommended it.. and using it now ;^)


26 posted on 04/05/2014 12:19:16 PM PDT by Bikkuri ( those would have been affected.)
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To: Zarro
I get that, but not sure that there’s not ONE browser alternative.

I installed Pale Moon, transferred all of my bookmarks, and was browsing in less than five minutes. Working great!
27 posted on 04/05/2014 12:28:21 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: Bikkuri

I’m liking it a lot.


28 posted on 04/05/2014 12:28:42 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: Second Amendment First
Got rid of Firefox this morning.

I'm a bit slow today. I just unpinned Firefox from my taskbar and am now using Opera. In a bit, I'll flush Forefox completely.

It should be interesting to see if there are any differences in the user stats for some of my websites. I'll compare March user stats with April's and report back. Firefox usually registers as a significant percentage of my users' browsers.

29 posted on 04/05/2014 12:35:48 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Second Amendment First
Got rid of Firefox this morning.

I'm a bit slow today. I just unpinned Firefox from my taskbar and am now using Opera. In a bit, I'll flush Forefox completely.

It should be interesting to see if there are any differences in the user stats for some of my websites. I'll compare March user stats with April's and report back. Firefox usually registers as a significant percentage of my users' browsers.

30 posted on 04/05/2014 12:38:46 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Second Amendment First

I really don’t give a hoot whether the purveyors of any particular product are liberal or conservative, but what Mozilla did is unforgivable. I have uninstalled their products from my computers. I am using Chrome because the extensions are very good, especially Ad-block plus.


31 posted on 04/05/2014 12:40:42 PM PDT by FXRP
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To: RandallFlagg

Yup.. appreciate you correcting me earlier ;^)

Have you tried out the skin I mentioned?


32 posted on 04/05/2014 12:46:32 PM PDT by Bikkuri ( those would have been affected.)
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To: Bikkuri

I’ve never heard of Noia Skin. What is it, and what does it do?


33 posted on 04/05/2014 12:55:11 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: windsorknot
Wow! Gayzilla is getting hammered with negative feedback.

Yep. They're about to hit 22,000.
34 posted on 04/05/2014 12:57:04 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: aquila48
Know anything about Pale Moon Browser?

Awesome browser. Get it. You'll love it. Identical to Firefox, only faster.
35 posted on 04/05/2014 12:57:54 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: Bikkuri; aquila48
Just downloaded Pale Moon to one of my less used machines and am going to play around with it. We really do need to decide what we are judging though - technical ability or company philosophy.

While this Pale Moon browser seems technically competent, I wouldn't go thinking that the M.C. Straver fellow is a Christian, right wing, conservative, supporter of the second amendment. It appears the guy is very talented, but has some strange ideas about art.

http://wolfbeast.deviantart.com/

36 posted on 04/05/2014 1:01:24 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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22,000 comments!
Firefox Input

37 posted on 04/05/2014 1:16:15 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: RandallFlagg

Has many options to make it personal. Rounded/squared tabs, different colors (I prefer darker.. easier on the eyes).. Many. Just look it up, I believe they have screenshots ;^)


38 posted on 04/05/2014 1:38:22 PM PDT by Bikkuri ( those would have been affected.)
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