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E-cigarette rule coming 'very soon,' U.S. FDA chief says
FOX News ^ | April 4, 2014 | Reuters

Posted on 04/05/2014 11:32:51 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Edited on 04/05/2014 11:33:44 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is "pushing very hard" to release a proposed rule that would establish its authority over e-cigarettes, the head of the agency said on Thursday amid concerns the products pose a risk to children.

FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg told senators at a Congressional budget hearing that it has taken too long to move the rule forward and that she expects the proposal to be ready for release "very soon."


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1 posted on 04/05/2014 11:32:51 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; Alia; altura; ...

Nanny State PING!


2 posted on 04/05/2014 11:33:24 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I still haven’t gotten over the candy cigarette ban.


3 posted on 04/05/2014 11:35:23 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s “for the children”, don’t cha know!


4 posted on 04/05/2014 11:35:27 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Scrambler Bob

Funny how they never made candy cigars on the same scale, though.


5 posted on 04/05/2014 11:39:06 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

In a Marxist State, the government seizes control of everything; at this point, why does anyone pretend we’re still a free people?


6 posted on 04/05/2014 11:39:39 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation." - Vladimir Lenin
7 posted on 04/05/2014 11:45:03 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m all for taking away the FDA’s authority to regulate anything at all-let adults be responsible for themselves and their kids and save us a truckload of taxpayers’ dollars$$$ in the process-I’ll be most pleased to vote for whoever will fire all the expensive nannies who serve no purpose...


8 posted on 04/05/2014 11:45:33 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: SpaceBar

Excellent quote!


9 posted on 04/05/2014 11:45:38 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Too many taxes

Too many laws.


10 posted on 04/05/2014 11:47:14 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Shows you that it’s not about second hand smoke it’s about CONTROL!
If they banned all guns in the US and companies replaced guns with water guns they would be passing legislation to ban water guns


11 posted on 04/05/2014 11:49:30 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Im missing a jumbo jet with 235 passengers has anyone seen it?)
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To: Olog-hai

Actually, they made a fair number and still do. Check it out
at:http://www.oldtimecandy.com/candy-cigarettes-cigars.htm

I remember when my wife and I were expecting our son, we gave out a bunch of ‘It’s a Boy! candy cigars.

But rowing up, there were a lot more candy cigarettes.


12 posted on 04/05/2014 11:49:52 AM PDT by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It's all about the TAXES!
13 posted on 04/05/2014 11:54:34 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

When E-cigarettes are outlawed only outlaws will have E-Cigarettes. And I’m one. Come and get me copper.


14 posted on 04/05/2014 11:56:08 AM PDT by McGruff (prop.a.gan.da - information of a biased or misleading nature)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
to release a proposed rule that would establish its authority over e-cigarettes,

It's nice to be able to just claim authority over stuff.

15 posted on 04/05/2014 11:56:40 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Oh goodie, now we have to contend with the e-Cig Mafia too? Please make it stop!!


16 posted on 04/05/2014 11:57:13 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Texan5; BenLurkin
Let's see what the rule is, before people go hollering nanny state.

My guess is that they will require child proof containers for the liquid nicotine to reduce the number of child poisonings.

And I wouldn't be surprised to see them require some testing and approval of the ingredients. Do you know what chemicals they are putting in your e-vapors? Do you even care? Do you like being a guinea pig? How long before someone puts some unique ingredient in a vapor that causes damage?

17 posted on 04/05/2014 11:58:25 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Do you know what chemicals they are putting in your e-vapors?
No.

Do you even care?
No.


18 posted on 04/05/2014 11:59:47 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Bureaucrats just salivating over something else to regulate.


19 posted on 04/05/2014 11:59:54 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s a drug delivery device. As a society we agree to regulate these things. And it will be.


20 posted on 04/05/2014 12:03:20 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Olog-hai

Yes they did. Used to buy them all the time.


21 posted on 04/05/2014 12:04:00 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: packrat35

They really made as many of them as of candy cigarettes? I don’t seem to remember a large selection.


22 posted on 04/05/2014 12:07:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: McGruff

Outlaw? No, just tax at a dollar a puff.


23 posted on 04/05/2014 12:08:49 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Olog-hai

Bubble gum cigars but do remember they never really caught on except to hand out when babies were born.


24 posted on 04/05/2014 12:12:23 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: Jack Hammer
In a Marxist State, the government seizes control of everything; at this point, why does anyone pretend we’re still a free people?

We don't.

25 posted on 04/05/2014 12:13:24 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

I haven’t said, “It’s a Free Country” in a coon’s age.


26 posted on 04/05/2014 12:17:38 PM PDT by sport
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To: Tammy8
Bubble gum cigars but do remember they never really caught on except to hand out when babies were born.

I got one every Wednesday when I went to pick up my periodicals.

Of course, I was 10 years old and my periodicals were comic books.

27 posted on 04/05/2014 12:18:53 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: SpaceBar; smokingfrog
Then there is John Maynard Keynes observation in "The Economic Consequences of the Peace - 1920":

"Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method, they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. . . . Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. . . . (It) does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose. . . ." - John Maynard Keynes, "Economic Consequences of the Peace - 1920"

28 posted on 04/05/2014 12:21:00 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Is there anyone here who doubts for a second that tobacco industry lobbyists will get their way here? This industry will be banned or regulated out of existence, and both party’s bank accounts will be just a little bit better funded this election cycle.


29 posted on 04/05/2014 12:21:07 PM PDT by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: smokingfrog

Yep!


30 posted on 04/05/2014 12:24:02 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I have mixed feelings on this. My 19 year old came home from college with one and had trouble putting it down. I felt that something is up with these things. Recently, a “vapor” store opened a few miles from my home and I was like WTH?

I guess drugs adapt as laws, regulations and social norms attempt to control them.

Hopefully, it is a fad that my knuckle headed son will move on from. To be so intellectually smart, but so emotionally and socially dumb... it is sad.

I don’t want more government controls and laws, but research and publication of dangers of these things are not a bad thing.

I know “spice” or synthetic marijuana is a really dangerous drug that is hurting young and old people. I would not have known about it, if not for following college football.


31 posted on 04/05/2014 12:26:09 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: Olog-hai

I remember bubblegum packaged to look like cigars...pink cigars!


32 posted on 04/05/2014 12:27:09 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: BenLurkin
Do you even care? No.

LOL, I didn't think so.

Seriously, I don't think the FDA wants to ban these things.


33 posted on 04/05/2014 12:29:44 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Jack Hammer

I’ve been trying to think of one thing, one item the government doesn’t some how have it’s mittens in.


34 posted on 04/05/2014 12:33:39 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: DannyTN

Do you assume that we all trust anything available on a shelf of a store? Plenty of us do not-I don’t use e-cigs, I don’t do drugs, illicit or prescription, and I don’t eat processed, or even most canned food. I’m a responsible adult-I don’t apply, eat, smoke, or drink anything without reading the ingredients and looking up the contents on the net, and I don’t trust or need the FDA to tell me how/what to eat, smoke, drink or wash my dishes in.

And the FDA doesn’t care at all if you are a lab rat-if you don’t believe that, check out the ingredients on the next pre-packaged food item you consume, or the next OTC drug you take for a sneeze. And it is not “for the children”, either...

How about we go back to being responsible for our own kids and our own selves, and hiring companies not connected with government and/or lobbyists to do independent testing on new products? I’m sure there are plenty of testing labs who would appreciate the business-put it into private hands and let them bid on it.


35 posted on 04/05/2014 12:34:01 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Blackyce
"Is there anyone here who doubts for a second that tobacco industry lobbyists will get their way here? This industry will be banned or regulated out of existence, and both party’s bank accounts will be just a little bit better funded this election cycle."

Since when has the tobacco industry won any battle?

36 posted on 04/05/2014 12:41:16 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Given the political climate re: tobacco over the past few decades, the fact that the tobacco industry still exists today is itself a huge victory for the industry.


37 posted on 04/05/2014 12:46:53 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: DannyTN

Spoken like a good slave. Massa knows best. If you’re scared of e-cigs, don’t buy one. Same logic as guns.


38 posted on 04/05/2014 12:48:37 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Texan5
"How about we go back to being responsible for our own kids and our own selves, and hiring companies not connected with government and/or lobbyists to do independent testing on new products?"

There is not enough time in the day for the average person to inspect and test everything that would need to be inspected.

And I have no interest in growing the food myself.

Who do you propose hire the independent companies? I can't afford that. Or were you suggesting the government spend the money on independent contractors so that whoever is in office can funnel contracts to their bundlers?

39 posted on 04/05/2014 12:50:44 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: ozzymandus
"Spoken like a good slave. Massa knows best. If you’re scared of e-cigs, don’t buy one. Same logic as guns."

Stupid analogy. With a gun there's a very insignificantly small chance you'll shoot yourself, and I'll end up paying SS disability, medicaid and food stamps to support you through my taxes.

But E-cigs like cigarettes are made for one purpose. To shoot yourself with them.

If you insist on being stupid:


40 posted on 04/05/2014 1:02:43 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: bigbob
As a society we agree to regulate these things.

Socialist statist Stalinist nonsense!

41 posted on 04/05/2014 1:04:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s a drug delivery device. Common sense says it should be regulated in regards sales to minors.


42 posted on 04/05/2014 1:08:20 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: DannyTN

“Let’s see what the rule is, before people go hollering nanny state.”

The FDA isn’t congress, and should have no authority to be issuing rules of any sort.


43 posted on 04/05/2014 1:10:46 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: DannyTN

You’re a happy slave and you call me stupid? (From the safety of internet anonymity!)

BTW, I quit smoking 30 years ago and think e-cigs are stupid, but I’m not a nanny state booster like you. And I know you wouldn’t have the stones to call me stupid to my face, you mouthy coward.


44 posted on 04/05/2014 1:11:04 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: VanDeKoik
"The FDA isn’t congress, and should have no authority to be issuing rules of any sort."

Congress has already ruled. e-vapors are taken into the body, so whether you call it a drug or a food, or a tobacco product, the FDA has congressionally authorized jurisdiction.

45 posted on 04/05/2014 1:17:05 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Texan5
How about we go back to being responsible for our own kids and our own selves,

I've got no problem with that in concept. Adults need to care more about their children than the state.

But it's clear some adults don't care and there is a compelling reason why regulation is being considered. Year after year, generation after generation, kids were being turned into addicts.

Here then is what Newt said about caring for kids in '97.

Civilization cannot survive with twelve-year-olds having babies, fifteen-year-olds shooting one another, seventeen-year-olds dying of AIDS, and eighteen-year-olds graduating with diplomas they cannot read.

46 posted on 04/05/2014 1:19:20 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: ozzymandus

I don’t think I actually called you stupid. I said the gun analogy was stupid and explained why.

And I strongly implied with my “If you insist” statement that if you smoke or vape you are stupid. But you were smart enough to quit and admit that you think e-cigs are stupid. So my statement doesn’t really apply to you, does it.


47 posted on 04/05/2014 1:21:34 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Drango

Beer bottles are drug delivery devices. But you’re the number one socialist Stalinist statist on this website so no surprise.


48 posted on 04/05/2014 1:22:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: DannyTN

If you are satisfied with trusting someone else to tell you what is safe and healthy for you and yours, that is your choice, and I respect it-but please stop demandinhg that your choices be imposed on those of us who do not think the same way-have equal respect for those of us who prefer to make our own decisions about food and recreation.

If you don’t grow your own food, the fresh veggies at the grocery store are usually safe, if you just wash them-I eat them in the winter when it is too cold to grow stuff. There is no shortage of fresh, uncontaminated produce in stores that I know of...

I work, too-and I brought up my kids in health and safety, and I’ve found more than enough time and info to maintain a healthy lifestyle for me and mine-I do not ever attempt to impose it on anyone else-it is an individual choice and responsibility.

You put the contract to test out for bids-just like the government puts contracts out for bid right now. With competition, the price comes down-it is our tax money anyway-better to have it spent for independent study than throwing it down the bureaucratic rathole of the FDA, which is totally corrupt and lobbied. Bundlers can only cease to exist when enough of us have the balls to vote with our wallets and stop electing purveyors of pork to represent us...


49 posted on 04/05/2014 1:24:42 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: TigersEye

You’re not the biggest addict but you’re still an addict.


50 posted on 04/05/2014 1:24:45 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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