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EPA Proposes Burdensome Regulations On Wood Stoves
Rightwing News ^ | April 5, 2014 | William Teach

Posted on 04/05/2014 4:59:55 PM PDT by kingattax

More mission creep, more highhanded government causing problems for citizens

(Fox News)"A federal proposal requiring more efficiency from wood-burning stoves has ignited a debate between the Obama administration and lawmakers who oppose the new regulations, arguing the rules impose an unfair burden on people in remote areas. The Environmental Protection Agency proposed a rule changes in January that would dramatically tighten emissions requirements on new wood-powered heaters, though does not impact ones already in homes. The EPA estimates that as much as 13 percent of all soot pollution in the U.S. is a result of inefficient wood-fired stoves and boilers."

Is soot a problem from a purely environmental viewpoint? Yes. Just like it has been since Man discovered fire.

Of course, these wankers are looking at it from a “climate change” point of view, rather than simply a clean air and water view.

I wonder if they plan on implementing regulations against Mother Nature for when she starts fires from lightening strikes?

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KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; energy; epa; tyranny
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Abolish the EPA
1 posted on 04/05/2014 4:59:55 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Wait until they go after the Fire Pits.


2 posted on 04/05/2014 5:00:46 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kingattax

abolish the epa and jail those who worked for it, the longer they have worked there, the longer they’re in jail.


3 posted on 04/05/2014 5:01:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: kingattax

If the EPA abolished DumboCrats, emissions would drop by more than half.


4 posted on 04/05/2014 5:01:58 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kingattax

Can’t afford electricity, no nat’l gas, propane sky high? Tuff beans! Freeze your friggin mule off, gaia is more important than you or your pitiful families lives.


5 posted on 04/05/2014 5:02:58 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: kingattax

You’ll get my woodstove when you pry my warm, toasty fingers from the iron poker


6 posted on 04/05/2014 5:04:45 PM PDT by digger48
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To: kingattax
The EPA estimates that as much as 13 percent of all soot pollution in the U.S. is a result of inefficient wood-fired stoves and boilers.

I would like to see the supporting documentation, testimony, and calculations (including assumptions, and model settings).

I suspect in the strongest terms that the estimates are intentionally inflated, and would not withstand thorough scientific scrutiny.

My recommendation to Congress critters would be to have independent experts examine the "evidence".

(No contrary evidence, just a hunch.)

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7 posted on 04/05/2014 5:06:21 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Mastador1

That’s the point at which the shooting always starts.


8 posted on 04/05/2014 5:06:21 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Paladin2

What say the EPA on the issue of a UK hospital using aborted babies for heating?


9 posted on 04/05/2014 5:09:56 PM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: Antihero101607

Abolish the epa.

But who the heck uses wood stoves? And if you’re in the middle of nowhere how would the epa know anyway?

We are so screwed.


10 posted on 04/05/2014 5:12:04 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: kingattax

Just ignore them.


11 posted on 04/05/2014 5:12:16 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: kingattax

This isn’t about pollution or even the EPA. This is about making it more difficult for people to live in remote areas.

Their vision is everyone living in small apartments in cities, except the leaders and entertainers of course. The only people living in remote areas are govt workers and ‘corporate’ workers living in a commune while they run the farm robots.


12 posted on 04/05/2014 5:13:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Antihero101607

I’d guess that they would fall on the side of UN Agenda 21 - SUSTAINABLE!


13 posted on 04/05/2014 5:14:12 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kingattax

Well, we all know that libs don’t want to control forest fires, so millions of acres burn. That’s a good thing they say. Natural and all.

But for humans to heat with? Gotta be a bad thing.

Running amok. For far too many years now.


14 posted on 04/05/2014 5:14:18 PM PDT by jsh3180
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To: Husker24

“Just ignore them.”
A person can ignore cancer too for a while,but eventually it drags them dowm.


15 posted on 04/05/2014 5:15:14 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: kingattax

I heat my house mostly with a wood stove and a wood pellet fireplace insert. I paid a bit more for both of them to get recommended models that are efficient. You burn and pay for a bit less firewood for the same amount of heat. So, efficiency pays off over time.

But the last thing I want is the dumb, stupid, corrupt, crony capitalist EPA telling me what kind of stove to buy.


16 posted on 04/05/2014 5:15:25 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bicyclerepair

And if you’re in the middle of nowhere how would the epa know anyway?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Drones my friend, drones.


17 posted on 04/05/2014 5:15:39 PM PDT by jsh3180
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To: bicyclerepair
" how would the epa know anyway?"

Drones following up on Satellite info along with your purchases of replacement cutting chains, chain oil and 2-stroke-oil......

18 posted on 04/05/2014 5:16:30 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: bicyclerepair
"And if you’re in the middle of nowhere how would the epa know anyway?"

Forest Service Cutting Permits...

19 posted on 04/05/2014 5:18:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jsh3180

The National Stovepipe Authority already knows


20 posted on 04/05/2014 5:21:12 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: bicyclerepair
But who the heck uses wood stoves?

I do...saves about 25-30% of electric useage on 20 degree mornings. Finally learned to place several cast iron kettles on the stove top. Each gallon of water evaporated as steam gives an additional 8000 BTU. And if you’re in the middle of nowhere how would the epa know anyway?

They do emit smoke, you know.

21 posted on 04/05/2014 5:21:50 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: kingattax

I need to know which wood stoves are going to be banned so I can get one beforehand.


22 posted on 04/05/2014 5:24:13 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: kingattax
I don't like the pagans in the EPA but woodstoves with either secondary combustion chambers, or catalytic converters are far more efficient than traditional wood stoves.
23 posted on 04/05/2014 5:25:17 PM PDT by fso301
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To: bicyclerepair
But who the heck uses wood stoves?

I do, for one. Not my only heat, but the main heat I use.

Lots of people in rural counties around here burn wood because natural gas is not available, and electric, fuel oil and propane are enormously expensive in an older home.

And there will be lots more now that we just had a propane shortage and price hike this winter.

Even if one has to buy their wood, which most don't, a $150 cord of wood/mo compared to a $700/mo gas bill....no brainer

24 posted on 04/05/2014 5:26:43 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Seaplaner
I would like to see the supporting documentation, testimony, and calculations (including assumptions, and model settings).

Right you are. The phrase "as much as" is the real red flag here. What the EPA is really saying is this: wood-fired devices contribute to between 0 and 13% of all soot pollution.

And that's a laughably meaningless statement.

25 posted on 04/05/2014 5:27:11 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: kingattax

This is a tax issue. There is no way to tax you on dead trees.


26 posted on 04/05/2014 5:28:31 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: kingattax
UN Agenda 21's "sustainability" is all about making life so expensive for the peasants that they give up and die.
27 posted on 04/05/2014 5:29:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; a man who respects it has earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Paladin2

the local governments pay to cut and open burn tens of thousands of trees a year in IN.

Fortunately, agriculture trumps tree hugging here in corn country


28 posted on 04/05/2014 5:31:38 PM PDT by digger48
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To: kingattax

While you’re at it abolish this too: http://sparetheair.org

These people have 40 some odd “smoke agents” prowling the neighborhoods in the Bay Area from November 1st to February 28th looking for “violators” burning wood in wood stoves when they decide that the air is too polluted. The rest of the year they just campaign to eliminate wood burning. All our wood stoves are “grandfathered” and you can’t legally install a wood burning stove or an open fireplace in new construction. My bet is that in succeeding years, they will get the authority to ban all wood burning, which will come right after we are ordered to “register” our wood burning appliances. Why it’s just like the assault on the 2A. What’s next a tax on the length of your (oh never mind, you get the idea).


29 posted on 04/05/2014 5:33:27 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: digger48
"the local governments pay to cut and open burn tens of thousands of trees a year in IN."

Who and why (assuming not diseased)?

30 posted on 04/05/2014 5:35:32 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: vette6387

Registering my 85 yr old fireplace and chimney will be “fun”.


31 posted on 04/05/2014 5:36:56 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kingattax

War on the kulaks, 2014 style.


32 posted on 04/05/2014 5:39:01 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: vette6387
There are already legislation and "rules" that limit fires to "social" purposes.

It's probably time to set up a religion with mandatory ceremonial burnings of stuff and rules that proscribe 0bamaCare..

33 posted on 04/05/2014 5:39:07 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kingattax

Anyone out there heard of anyone else out there compiling a list of EPA employees and their home addresses for any reason?


34 posted on 04/05/2014 5:40:43 PM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: Paladin2
Who and why (assuming not diseased)?

County Drainage Boards keeping ditches cleared so that $13,000/acre cropland isn't standing under water instead of producing 200 bushels of corn. Not to mention the towns themselves that are built on floodplains

Everyone in our county pays into one of hundreds of Regulated Drains and the Surveyor is charged with their maintenance..

35 posted on 04/05/2014 5:42:30 PM PDT by digger48
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36 posted on 04/05/2014 5:43:49 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Farmer Dean

That statement was true at so many points in history. I’m afraid this will be just another foot-note


37 posted on 04/05/2014 5:45:44 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: digger48
"Drainage...ditches"

Ah, that makes sense.

But what about Frog/Toad/Snake habitat - for the children (now shorn of past kid freedom to take to the outside to hours/day with knives/firecrackers/matches/BBgunz)?

38 posted on 04/05/2014 5:47:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: digger48
Even if one has to buy their wood, which most don't, a $150 cord of wood

Haven't seen that price in PA for at least seven years...$170-180.

The February ice storm was sweet...twelve good sized trees brought down. One big cherry went right from the saw to the stove. House never dropped below 64 degrees despite 80+ hours without electricity.

39 posted on 04/05/2014 5:47:29 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: kingattax

In the meantime, it’s OK to let forest fires burn Yellowstone park with no effort to put out the fires back in the 90’s because it was a natural thing.

Now days it’s ok to let dead fall in national forests just lay there as more fuel for a nasty fire.

Someone wants to have a small wood fire to keep warm, and they are destroying the world.

The lunacy will never stop until this country has completely fallen.

On the other side of the coin we did buy one of the those EPA wood burners in 08 that reburns the smoke. It appears we get more heat from the wood, but what is a fact is with each chimney inspection it shows no need to clean the chimney. And we do 12 cords a year.


40 posted on 04/05/2014 5:48:26 PM PDT by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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To: kingattax

Well, so much for “Renewable Energy Sources”.

the Eco-Nazis don’t like:

Wood - Soot & CO2
Hydro - Interferes with the mating habits of the Elk Toe Mussels ( and really cool kayak runs)
Wind - Migratory bird Cuisinart
Solar - Fries migratory birds, Interferes with the mating habits of the Gopher Tortoise
Tidal - Does not work in Kansas
Harmonic Convergence - Cannot everyone to chant “Ummmmmm” simultaneously & on-key.

Just cut off all electricity to their homes, offices, iPads, iPhones, iNavels and Priuses (no offense to normal Prius owners)


41 posted on 04/05/2014 5:48:29 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: kingattax

You can have my Lopi over my cold dead ash pile...


42 posted on 04/05/2014 5:48:36 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: bicyclerepair
And if you’re in the middle of nowhere how would the epa know anyway?

DRONES..

43 posted on 04/05/2014 5:51:30 PM PDT by sternup
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To: dagogo redux

Apply the same principals used when dealing with other poisonous serpents.

Don’t bother with the tails.


44 posted on 04/05/2014 5:53:10 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: lightman

Cherry is one that can co straight to the stove.

I knew I was low-balling that cord price. I’ve never paid for it, but I know others that were paying $75 a rick just this year.

Lots of available wood around here due to farmers clearing even more land to till


45 posted on 04/05/2014 5:53:14 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48
"$150 cord of wood"

Face or full?

46 posted on 04/05/2014 5:56:28 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: BwanaNdege

Agreed. And the shorter lists help save on ink and paper, thus helping to heal our mother, Gaia - which is a good thing.


47 posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:24 PM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: Paladin2

Oh...we have to deal with “Wetlands”.

I’ve seen them mark wetlands in the middle of a dry cornfield and in the bottom of a drainage ditch.

Used to be the USDA would pay a portion for a guy to build a fish pond. Now they only want to kick in to build mosquito breeding areas.


48 posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:37 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48

Lots around here “thanks” to the ice storm. Many roads still look like a tropical storm came through with tree tops and big limbs laying on the shoulders.

I still have 3 cherries and 1 ash to section and split, plus the top of a gum tree.

Gum is nasty wood...hard to cut, harder to burn.


49 posted on 04/05/2014 5:58:52 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Paladin2

probably not full, but mostly sold by the pickup load. Stacked in the bed of a full sized pretty much gets you a rick

I’m surpised by how many people I know who burn wood who don’t understand what I mean when I bring that up.


50 posted on 04/05/2014 6:01:47 PM PDT by digger48
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