EPA Proposes Burdensome Regulations On Wood Stoves

Rightwing News ^ | April 5, 2014 | William Teach

[kingattax]

More mission creep, more highhanded government causing problems for citizens

(Fox News)"A federal proposal requiring more efficiency from wood-burning stoves has ignited a debate between the Obama administration and lawmakers who oppose the new regulations, arguing the rules impose an unfair burden on people in remote areas. The Environmental Protection Agency proposed a rule changes in January that would dramatically tighten emissions requirements on new wood-powered heaters, though does not impact ones already in homes. The EPA estimates that as much as 13 percent of all soot pollution in the U.S. is a result of inefficient wood-fired stoves and boilers."

Is soot a problem from a purely environmental viewpoint? Yes. Just like it has been since Man discovered fire.

Of course, these wankers are looking at it from a “climate change” point of view, rather than simply a clean air and water view.

I wonder if they plan on implementing regulations against Mother Nature for when she starts fires from lightening strikes?

[BwanaNdege]

Well, so much for “Renewable Energy Sources”.

the Eco-Nazis don’t like:

Wood - Soot & CO2
Hydro - Interferes with the mating habits of the Elk Toe Mussels ( and really cool kayak runs)
Wind - Migratory bird Cuisinart
Solar - Fries migratory birds, Interferes with the mating habits of the Gopher Tortoise
Tidal - Does not work in Kansas
Harmonic Convergence - Cannot everyone to chant “Ummmmmm” simultaneously & on-key.

Just cut off all electricity to their homes, offices, iPads, iPhones, iNavels and Priuses (no offense to normal Prius owners)

[MileHi]

You can have my Lopi over my cold dead ash pile...

[sternup]

And if you’re in the middle of nowhere how would the epa know anyway?

DRONES..

[BwanaNdege]

Apply the same principals used when dealing with other poisonous serpents.

Don’t bother with the tails.

[digger48]

Cherry is one that can co straight to the stove.

I knew I was low-balling that cord price. I’ve never paid for it, but I know others that were paying $75 a rick just this year.

Lots of available wood around here due to farmers clearing even more land to till

[Paladin2]

"$150 cord of wood"

Face or full?

[dagogo redux]

Agreed. And the shorter lists help save on ink and paper, thus helping to heal our mother, Gaia - which is a good thing.

[digger48]

Oh...we have to deal with “Wetlands”.

I’ve seen them mark wetlands in the middle of a dry cornfield and in the bottom of a drainage ditch.

Used to be the USDA would pay a portion for a guy to build a fish pond. Now they only want to kick in to build mosquito breeding areas.

[lightman]

Lots around here “thanks” to the ice storm. Many roads still look like a tropical storm came through with tree tops and big limbs laying on the shoulders.

I still have 3 cherries and 1 ash to section and split, plus the top of a gum tree.

Gum is nasty wood...hard to cut, harder to burn.

[digger48]

probably not full, but mostly sold by the pickup load. Stacked in the bed of a full sized pretty much gets you a rick

I’m surpised by how many people I know who burn wood who don’t understand what I mean when I bring that up.

[Paladin2]

"War on the kulaks, 2014 style. "

Ding, ding, .........

[Paladin2]

"Now they only want to kick in to build mosquito breeding areas."

LOL, that's what I call some public places - XXXX National Mosquito Preserve.

When I wuz a kid we had the "swamp" - a few acres of wetlands below the backyard's neighbor farmer's pasture where we could go exploring when not hammering fossils out of the limestone ledge above the pasture.

[abclily]

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls the climates of all its planets.

3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?

[Paladin2]

We have County drain commissioners, but I live on a hill such that (though it can flow heavily across the back yard - I think I calculated (based on measurements made one Spring rainy day) that I'd need a 24" pipe to carry the max flow across the yard from "upstream") I have no real flooding.

No shortage of firewood coming from the trimming of the hedgerows on each side of the yard along with the eventual death of various volunteer Elms.

[jughandle]

You know, we seriously considered getting one, found out homeowners insurance would almost double, now this. So much for saving energy.

[El Laton Caliente]

I had a friend install a really nice septic system on lake front property. The Corps of Engineers showed up with satellite photos showing the complete lay out in infrared. THE UNDERGROUND PIPE AND TANKS ON INFRARED! They made him tear out a $6K septic and replace it with a $14K aerobics system.

Yea, they will know.

I live rural where the power goes out every few months for over night to ten days. You need alternative heat and cooking. Without wood heat and cooking we would be toast in a long outage.

[kiryandil]

Actually, a problem has arisen (as is the usual way) with the regulations put on coal power plants by the EPA EcoNazis:

Sulfur Shortage in Corn
http://www.dtnprogressivefarmer.com/dtnag/common/link.do?symbolicName=/ag/blogs/template1&blogHandle=production&blogEntryId=8a82c0bc22ad9a1201231462321c052a&showCommentsOverride=false&blogRegionCode=

A grain merchandiser called and wanted to know the ins and outs of sulfur (S) deficiency in corn. This merchandiser (who always wants to remain anonymous) said a customer had a field of corn that was yellowing on the side slopes and he suspected an S deficiency. She added that he commented that since low sulfur diesel was introduced there are more S deficiencies in corn.

The grower's comment on S shortage due to less sulfur deposits was right. However it is not necessarily from use of low sulfur diesel (which probably has an impact) but from power plants and industry scrubbing the S out of their emissions. This has significantly reduced S depositions over the last two decades. Clean air is great but we are seeing more S deficiencies in crops like alfalfa and corn...

[kiryandil]

Their vision is everyone living in small apartments in cities, except the leaders and entertainers of course. The only people living in remote areas are govt workers and ‘corporate’ workers living in a commune while they run the farm robots.

The Chung Kuo series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_Kuo_%28novel_series%29):

Chung Kuo is primarily set 200 years in the future in mile-high, continent-spanning cities made of a super-plastic called 'ice'. Housing a global population of 40 billion, the cities are divided into 300 levels and success and prestige is measured by how far above the ground one lives. Some – in the Above – live in great comfort. Others – in the Lowers – live in squalor, whilst at the bottom of the pile is 'Below the Net', a place where the criminal element is exiled and left to rot. Beneath the cities lie the ruins of old Earth – the Clay – a lightless, stygian hell in which, astonishingly, humans still exist. These divisions are known as 'the world of levels'.

In addition to the world of levels, there are the great meat-animal pens and sprawling, vast plantations to feed the population. There is also activity beyond Earth. The ruling classes – who base their rule on the customs and fashions of imperial China – maintain traditional palaces and courts both on Earth and in geostationary orbit. There are also Martian research bases and the outer colonies, with their mining planets.

[gigster]

I have two fireplaces in my home. what supreme comfort
they provide this winter.

[TigersEye]

I would like to see the supporting documentation, testimony, and calculations (including assumptions, and model settings).

I suspect in the strongest terms that the estimates are intentionally inflated, and would not withstand thorough scientific scrutiny.

My recommendation to Congress critters would be to have independent experts examine the "evidence".

(No contrary evidence, just a hunch.)

I share your skepticism. I believe the EPA "estimates" are whole cloth lies.