Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Pierre man protests paying perpetual child support (South Dakota & Canada)
Rapid City Journal ^ | April 5, 2014 | Joe O'Sullivan

Posted on 04/05/2014 6:40:14 PM PDT by cutty

Both of Haraldson's children are in their 20s. South Dakota's child support laws only require child support payments up to age 18 in most cases, and 19 in one other instance.

But Haraldson, born and raised in South Dakota, was living in Canada at the time of his divorce. There, child support laws can go on indefinitely, unless he hires a lawyer and fights.

"I was told it was going to be $20,000 to $30,000 to litigate, and I'd have a 50-50 chance," Haraldson said by phone from Pierre. "I just went, 'Oh, my God.'"

Haraldson, a 52-year-old computer support specialist who lives in Pierre, has an administrative hearing with the state scheduled for Monday to protest the payments. But given the nature of state and federal laws, he may not have much luck.

(Excerpt) Read more at rapidcityjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: childsupport
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-58 next last

1 posted on 04/05/2014 6:40:14 PM PDT by cutty
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: cutty

I presume the payments go to the state and stay there.


2 posted on 04/05/2014 6:43:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; a man who respects it has earned it." --Ayn Rand)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cutty

would the canadian authorities try to get him extradited if he reused to pay??


3 posted on 04/05/2014 6:43:41 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cutty

Pierre, capitol of ND, I didn’t even know that not too long ago. Less than a population of 14,000. Alll the same, a Very Stately Capitol Building. http://www.destination360.com/north-america/us/south-dakota/images/s/pierre.jpg (apologies for the travelogue)


4 posted on 04/05/2014 6:45:41 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cutty

I perceive that paying such pernicious penalties will presently put this poor person in severe penury and protracted poverty until he lies prostrate.


5 posted on 04/05/2014 6:45:58 PM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cutty

If his children are Canadian citizens, he’ll have to still pay child support under Canadian law.

Its better to pay - since he would lose money anyway trying to end it in Canada and when you become a parent, your ties to your children remain with with you all your life.

If you don’t want to support kids, don’t get married! Its that simple.


6 posted on 04/05/2014 6:46:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BeadCounter

Sorry but Pierre is the capital of South Dakota, not North Dakota. Bismark is the capital of the North Dakota.


7 posted on 04/05/2014 6:47:13 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: cutty
But Haraldson, born and raised in South Dakota, was living in Canada at the time of his divorce. There, child support laws can go on indefinitely, unless he hires a lawyer and fights.

Indefiniately? His son is 22. Does he continue to pay until his son is 30? 40? Does he pay his son's retirement?

Where does it stop?

8 posted on 04/05/2014 6:47:45 PM PDT by umgud
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MeshugeMikey

it’s not a crime, so no, they wouldn’t extradite him


9 posted on 04/05/2014 6:48:00 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

Here, unless there is a date in the court order, you have to file to have it terminated.

20-30K?

No, it might cost you $1500 though


10 posted on 04/05/2014 6:49:05 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: MIchaelTArchangel

Thanks, sorry for misstating this, we were just talking about this the other day.


11 posted on 04/05/2014 6:49:24 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: yldstrk

If the keep collecting it from you long after the child is grown, do they give it to the kid or do they keep it for themselves?


12 posted on 04/05/2014 6:50:34 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; a man who respects it has earned it." --Ayn Rand)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: umgud

Until he dies.

Of course he can petition the court in Canada to reconsider the child support order if his circumstances have changed.

But generally yes unlike in many US states - child support in Canada is a lifetime obligation.


13 posted on 04/05/2014 6:51:46 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: MeshugeMikey
would the canadian authorities try to get him extradited if he reused to pay??

They will simply garnish his wages.

14 posted on 04/05/2014 6:52:41 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: yldstrk

Refusing to a comply with a lawful child support order in most states can lead to denial of US passport issuance, seizure of tax refunds and reduction in any public benefits you might be owed. You simply cannot ignore it.


15 posted on 04/05/2014 6:54:40 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: yldstrk

Perpetual child support...on the other sure seems to be.

who thought that one up?


16 posted on 04/05/2014 6:56:19 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Mark17

Until he retires.....


17 posted on 04/05/2014 6:57:02 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
If you don’t want to support kids, don’t get married! Its that simple.

Were you home schooled? Marriage has nothing to do with ability to beget children. At least they teach about the birds and the bees in public school.

18 posted on 04/05/2014 6:58:42 PM PDT by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: BeadCounter

Its SOUTH Dakota, not North. Don’t worry most people forget South Dakota exists and most people who live there like it that way.

Pierre has about 14k, and a WalMart. Great hunting and fishing there though.


19 posted on 04/05/2014 6:59:01 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: cutty

http://www.canadiandivorcelaws.com/ending-child-support/


20 posted on 04/05/2014 6:59:58 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kriggerel

I perceive that paying such pernicious penalties will presently put this poor person in severe penury and protracted poverty until he lies prostrate.
= = = = = = = = = = = =
Correct... then when he loses his job because his pay was garnished, WE will get to support HIM and his KIDS through, subsidized housing, food stamps, welfare and unemployment.
When ‘they’ get tired of him drawing unemployment, he will get put on SS for some sort of ballooned disability.

Is this a great ‘new’ country or not...

It is no wonder that people sneak in on a daily basis.

Just waiting for Bob Barker to start yelling “COME ON DOWN” the perks are free....


21 posted on 04/05/2014 7:01:49 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

where I practice any license you hold can be yanked even your driver’s license


22 posted on 04/05/2014 7:01:58 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

you’ve managed to turn marriage into a penalty. well done if that was your aim.


23 posted on 04/05/2014 7:03:15 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
You simply cannot ignore it.

Wanna bet? There are plenty that do.

/johnny

24 posted on 04/05/2014 7:04:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: PAR35
actually; it's man/man or womyn/womyn or human/animal, don't you
know traditional marriage ain't allowed anymore..per Liberals/NEA

25 posted on 04/05/2014 7:05:44 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: yldstrk

It makes sense to help pay for your adult’s children education and when they graduate, normally the child support ends. In certain cases, if the adult child goes on to graduate or medical school, parental support can be extended.

He has to wait until his children graduate and then arrange with his ex to end the child support or to petition the court to terminate it.


26 posted on 04/05/2014 7:06:03 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: PAR35
Marriage has nothing to do with ability to beget children.

Which begs the questions:

Why does the government have anything to do with marriage? It's a religious institution, "separation of church and state" and all that rot.

Why isn't the government requiring a license for procreation? It would be easy, you'd just have to provide proof of financial ability and the DNA of both parents, with a contract promising to provide total support for the child for the next 18 years.

That's all.

27 posted on 04/05/2014 7:06:37 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: MeshugeMikey

Isn’t Obamacare like perpetual child support?


28 posted on 04/05/2014 7:06:46 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: LachlanMinnesota

Paying him to be President sure has been....


29 posted on 04/05/2014 7:08:02 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: LachlanMinnesota

You can carry our children on your health insurance for a number of years. But its not perpetual.


30 posted on 04/05/2014 7:08:55 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: PAR35

“If you don’t want to support kids, don’t get married! Its that simple.”

“Were you home schooled?”

That has to be one of the funniest comments I’ve seen on FR.


31 posted on 04/05/2014 7:23:48 PM PDT by ladyjane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

Kind of a stupid statement. Kids grow up. The payments are probably going to his ex.


32 posted on 04/05/2014 7:26:52 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop; umgud

What do you say to the questions raised in post 8 by umgud?


33 posted on 04/05/2014 7:27:07 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: PAR35; Gabz

FYI Gabz,pretty funny.

.


34 posted on 04/05/2014 7:28:53 PM PDT by Mears
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: OldPossum

I said it was a lifetime obligation. I stand to be corrected.

Its actually an educational support obligation - while the adult child is in school in Canada, the child support remains in force. After that it generally ends.

If not, once his children graduate, he would have to petition the court in Canada to terminate the child support order.


35 posted on 04/05/2014 7:31:31 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: ROCKLOBSTER
Why isn't the government requiring a license for procreation?

Ha, nice. Instead the government wants to force society to pay for birth control.

That's more analogous to providing free bullet proof vests to citizens instead of requiring background checks / registration.
36 posted on 04/05/2014 7:32:19 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: umgud

“Where does it stop?”

When the payer dies!


37 posted on 04/05/2014 7:36:25 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Kriggerel
"I perceive that paying such pernicious penalties will presently put this poor person in severe penury and protracted poverty until he lies prostrate."

Your loquacious alliteration literally likens his lack of liberty to the likelihood of a lower level of living and a laborious lifestyle.

38 posted on 04/05/2014 7:43:19 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: andyk

And the “single mom” that should be it.

If you’re not married within a year of spittin a kid and going on welfare....it’s off to the sterilization chambers.


39 posted on 04/05/2014 7:50:53 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
It makes sense to help pay for your adult’s children education and when they graduate ...

Excuse me, didn't you forget something?

"It makes sense if you choose to help pay for your kids' college educations. ONLY then. Otherwise, it's ludicrous for government to dictate to parents that they have a fiscal obligation to send their kids to college.

Flat stupid and pure tyranny.

40 posted on 04/05/2014 7:52:44 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: ROCKLOBSTER
Why does the government have anything to do with marriage? It's a religious institution, "separation of church and state" and all that rot.
41 posted on 04/05/2014 8:08:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

First of all don’t lay in a bed or elsewhere with a person who is only looking for a welfare check besides the money/support the state makes you pay.


42 posted on 04/05/2014 8:15:34 PM PDT by noinfringers2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: noinfringers2

With child support, the parent is on the hook. Not the taxpayers.

Parents should support their kids. So that is a conservative principle. Its the exact opposite of welfare.

The only decent thing any family does is they support each other and their progeny.


43 posted on 04/05/2014 8:34:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

I won’t forget SD because I’ve definitely been there.


44 posted on 04/05/2014 8:45:08 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: BeadCounter

Rapid City, Hot Springs, Custer State Park, the Needles, the pigtails, Crazy Horse, the Badlands, Pine Ridge, Rosebud, The Corn Palace...Wounded Knee.


45 posted on 04/05/2014 8:48:41 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: ROCKLOBSTER

Definitely have been to the Corn Palace, I may have even posted images of it here before. I understand they change the corn every year and on the net, one can see old post cards of it. Nice.


46 posted on 04/05/2014 8:54:24 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: All

Sturgis makes a lot of people know where SD is, no, I haven’t been to it but know many people who have. As for me, maybe the way it was back decades ago might have been a good time. To each their own, I’d go just to see it if given the chance.


47 posted on 04/05/2014 8:57:21 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: BeadCounter

And it’s pronounced, “Peer.”


48 posted on 04/05/2014 8:59:43 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

Where did I go wrong? It seems to me you and I are addressing child support from different societal actions and consequences.


49 posted on 04/05/2014 9:02:48 PM PDT by noinfringers2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

Sort of like our entitlement programs paid by taxpayers, who pay whether they have children or not, right? So if he pays for life in Canada, do the children get any of his support money, or are they state supported for life?


50 posted on 04/05/2014 9:03:35 PM PDT by Kackikat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-58 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson