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Triple Play without defense touching the ball (vanity--It's baseball season!)

Posted on 04/05/2014 8:44:08 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles

"Nobody out, men on 1st & 2nd. Batters hits a pop up, umpire calls infield fly rule, batter is out (1). Man on first accidentally runs past the runner on second. He is out (2). The man on second gets hit by the falling pop up WHILE he is off the base. He is out(3). Triple Play.

BONUS--Which fielder(s) get credited with the 3 outs?

The defensive player closest to the play gets credited for all three outs though he never touched the ball.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: baseball; tripleplay

1 posted on 04/05/2014 8:44:09 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

Number of times that has actually happened in a major league game?


2 posted on 04/05/2014 8:45:56 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

The next time it happens will be the first time.


3 posted on 04/05/2014 8:51:38 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at a march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

I’ll take a guess: the pitcher and the catcher.


4 posted on 04/05/2014 9:04:21 PM PDT by RPTMS (I know you're a nincompoop, and I strongly suspect you of being a scalawag!)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

The Pitcher!


5 posted on 04/05/2014 9:11:29 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: Nifster
BONUS--Which fielder(s) get credited with the 3 outs?

You wanna take a crack at this one?

6 posted on 04/05/2014 9:11:54 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

I would give the put outs to God. For all those things to happen on one play, it must be classified as an act of God.


7 posted on 04/05/2014 9:14:15 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: hole_n_one; Nifster

LOL!! You are BAD!! I think nifty has left the building, (ducking in shame I suppose), for his crimes regarding the botching of one of the LONGSTANDING and BASIC rules of MLB!


8 posted on 04/05/2014 9:17:21 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

‘62 Mets?


9 posted on 04/05/2014 9:22:20 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Reagan√úberAlles
The defensive player closest to the play gets credited for all three outs though he never touched the ball.

closest to which play? the third and final play?

10 posted on 04/05/2014 9:27:49 PM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Happens to the Cubs once a week.


11 posted on 04/05/2014 9:30:16 PM PDT by REDWOOD99 ("Everyone should pay taxes. Everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: latina4dubya

In the scenario I layed out it would be the closest to second base.


12 posted on 04/05/2014 9:42:24 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: SoFloFreeper

None that anyone has ever heard of. It may have happened in the minors or in a college game. That’s the rumor


13 posted on 04/05/2014 9:43:18 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: RPTMS

In the case I laid out it would most likely be the second baseman or the shortstop.


14 posted on 04/05/2014 9:44:30 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: hole_n_one

In the case I laid out it would most likely be the second baseman or the shortstop.


15 posted on 04/05/2014 9:44:48 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

Short stop for not cluing last out player to look up being that he is the player who probably would be closest to where I am assuming the ball is falling by your discription. Second baseman is going to stick to his position.
Makes the most sense to me.
I’m not to proud to stick my neck out and get it chopped.


16 posted on 04/05/2014 9:57:37 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles
Triple Play without defense touching the ball.........

Since the pitcher (defensive player) had to make a pitch to homeplate in order for the pop-up to occur, the entire premise of your absurd scenario is invalid.

17 posted on 04/05/2014 9:59:09 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one

The ball is not in play until the batter puts it in play dumbass.


18 posted on 04/05/2014 10:05:54 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles
The ball is not in play until the batter puts it in play dumbass.

Rule 5.02.....

5.02 After the umpire calls “Play” the ball is alive and in play and remains alive and in play until for legal cause, or at the umpire’s call of “Time” suspending play, the ball becomes dead. While the ball is dead no player may be put out, no bases may be run and no runs may be scored, except that runners may advance one or more bases as the result of acts which occurred while the ball was alive (such as, but not limited to a balk, an overthrow, interference, or a home run or other fair ball hit out of the playing field).

19 posted on 04/05/2014 10:13:49 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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Official Rules: 5.00 Putting the Ball in Play. Live Ball
20 posted on 04/05/2014 10:16:16 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: CommerceComet

The insurance company would probably deny that claim.


21 posted on 04/05/2014 10:17:46 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: hole_n_one

A mere. legalistic technicality cited by an anal retentive idiot.

Everyone knows the common baseball phrase: “and the batter puts the ball in play” and everyone understands the concept.

Now don’t you have a slide rule to polish somewhere?


22 posted on 04/05/2014 10:21:28 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles
A pitcher that strikes out the side looking did that with a dead ball?

When a pitcher picks a runner off of first base, that is done with a dead ball?

I'll let your name calling speak for itself.

23 posted on 04/05/2014 10:29:31 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

I think once an umpire calls an infield fly rule all further play is suspended and all runners have to return to their original bases.

That is why the rule was implemented.


24 posted on 04/05/2014 10:47:35 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: WILLIALAL

Nope. Ball is live and runners advance at own peril.


25 posted on 04/05/2014 10:51:46 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: hole_n_one

As you know, when the catcher throws the ball back to the pitcher after a pitch no one in their right mind would say “the ball is in play”. You are confusing the concept of “in play”, to an absurd degree, with the concept of a “live ball”.

As far as name calling goes.... the shoe seems to fit pretty well doesn’t it?


26 posted on 04/05/2014 10:54:07 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles
As you know, when the catcher throws the ball back to the pitcher after a pitch no one in their right mind would say “the ball is in play”

And when that catcher makes an errant throw back to the pitcher allowing a runner on 3rd to score, I guess you'll continue to say that the ball was never in play.

To limit the "ball in play" condition to simply the act of a hitter hitting the ball is pigeon holing the entire concept..

There are countless scenarios where the ball is in play, runs are scored and outs recorded with a ball not having been hit......

but it always starts with the ball in the pitchers hand.

27 posted on 04/06/2014 12:28:53 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one; Reagan√úberAlles
To limit the "ball in play" condition to simply the act of a hitter hitting the ball is pigeon holing the entire concept..

There are countless scenarios where the ball is in play, runs are scored and outs recorded with a ball not having been hit……

but it always starts with the ball in the pitchers hand.

As a former softball pitcher I would agree (tho obviously there are differences, in that a softball base runner isn’t permitted to take a lead).

I had occasion to appeal a runner’s having left base too soon before an outfielder had caught a fly ball. That is actually always an appeal play, even if the runner was trying to return to base and didn’t make it back in time. Being then without understanding, I called time out before I threw the ball to the base - and found that I had thereby mooted my right to appeal. Live and learn!


28 posted on 04/06/2014 1:13:06 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism¬Ē is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: REDWOOD99
LOL! If it ever happened to anybody, it would definitely be the Cubs.
29 posted on 04/06/2014 4:10:27 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: WILLIALAL

Nope. After an infield fly rule has been called, runners do NOT have to tag their bases. This scenario seems to rely on one of the runners not realizing that.

The infield fly rule is not in effect if there is a runner on first only. The runner should head back to FIRST base. If the defense drops the ball to get a force out at 2nd, the notion is that the batter would likely reach 1st base safely, so the rule-makers felt there is no motive to purposely bungle the play. They obviously never considered that there would ever be a Rickey Henderson.


30 posted on 04/06/2014 6:51:36 AM PDT by dangus
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To: hole_n_one

Nope, see if this helps.

When the ball is being thrown back to the pitcher or being “pitched” to the catcher there is no “play” going on. The ball is “live” yes. But no one would define those two instances in the most commonly used, and accepted, definition as a “play”. Once the batter hits the ball or there is some kind of errant throw by pitcher or catcher than the someone has to make a “play” on the ball.

You are taking a very legalistic and not necessarily accurate view of the use of the word “play” in the baseball code. Many, many, MANY words are found in the “law” that have a definition applied to them there that the overwhelming number of people would not apply to it and they would apply a different definition to it.

In my original, theoretical situation I posted to start this thread the definition of the word “play” is not the one found in the “law” of baseball you cited.


31 posted on 04/06/2014 7:25:07 AM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Nope, see if this helps.

When the ball is being thrown back to the pitcher or being “pitched” to the catcher there is no “play” going on. The ball is “live” yes. But no one would define those two instances in the most commonly used, and accepted, definition as a “play”. Once the batter hits the ball or there is some kind of errant throw by pitcher or catcher than the someone has to make a “play” on the ball.

Some are trying to apply a very legalistic and not necessarily accurate view of the use of the word “play” in the baseball code. Many, many, MANY words are found in the “law” that have a definition applied to them there that the overwhelming number of people would not apply to them and they would apply a different, more commonly accepted and used definition to them. Doesn’t make either of them “wrong”. But using the “legalistic” definition in the case of my post IS wrong.

In my original, theoretical situation I posted to start this thread the definition of the word “play” is not the one found in the “law” of baseball cited.


32 posted on 04/06/2014 7:28:53 AM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles
Baseball, as my example taught me, is in fact a pretty “legalistic” game. The runner left the base too early - but I forgot to say, “Mother, may I?” - and the runner was not out.

It is an unusual characteristic of baseball that it is the defense - the pitcher - who initiates. The batter can’t club a low, inside fastball into the middle of next week when the pitcher elects to throw a change up. It is the pitcher who starts all plays - not the batter, who is in a real sense on defense trying not to be called out on strikes (if he does nothing, and the pitcher gets the umpire to call three strikes) or otherwise hit the ball where the defense can make a play on him, or on one of his teammates on base.

I recall once standing behind the rubber waiting for the next batter to stand in, and thinking, “It’s really nice of all these fellows to come here so I can have a game.” The pitcher really is that important to a team. Believe me, if your pitcher can’t do his job well the game will be no fun at all.

33 posted on 04/06/2014 8:41:13 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism¬Ē is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I agree that baseball is “legalistic” but my post about the triple play still holds true I think if you don’t get too far down in the “legalistic” weeds.

Baseball is funny in that I think it’s the only game where the defense has the ball, (except maybe the similar game, cricket.) But I don’t consider that game a sport. :)


34 posted on 04/06/2014 8:55:12 AM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: AlmaKing
The insurance company would probably deny that claim.

Every insurance company out there has probably denied a claim for a shakier reason than that.

35 posted on 04/06/2014 9:52:27 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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