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Black women worried about Army hair regulations
AP via Yahoo! ^ | April 4, 2014 7:17 PM | JESSE J. HOLLAND

Posted on 04/05/2014 10:20:36 PM PDT by wetphoenix

WASHINGTON (AP) — New Army regulations meant to help standardize and professionalize soldiers' appearance are now coming under criticism by some black military women, who say changes in the hair requirement are racially biased.

The Army earlier this week issued new appearance standards, which included bans on most twists, dreadlocks and large cornrows, all styles used predominantly by African-American women with natural hairstyles. More than 11,000 people have signed a White House petition asking President Barack Obama, the commander in chief, to have the military review the regulations to allow for "neat and maintained natural hairstyles."

Some black military women, who make up about a third of the women in the armed forces, feel they have been singled out with these new regulations.

"I think that it primarily targets black women, and I'm not in agreement with it," said Patricia Jackson-Kelley of the National Association of Black Military Women. "I don't see how a woman wearing three braids in her hair, how that affects her ability to perform her duty in the military."

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1 posted on 04/05/2014 10:20:36 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

A vast majority of black women straighten their hair or wear wigs. Just saying.


2 posted on 04/05/2014 10:24:05 PM PDT by sagar
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To: wetphoenix

Well that’s a giant can of worms.


3 posted on 04/05/2014 10:24:06 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: wetphoenix

I think it’s a reasonable concern. As long as the mikitary allows women to express their femininity, it should be allowing all woman that capability, as long as its military needs are not being compromised.


4 posted on 04/05/2014 10:26:08 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: wetphoenix
High and tight for everybody. Do the same PT, same physical requirements, same haircuts, same everything.

Problem solved.

5 posted on 04/05/2014 10:34:11 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: wastedyears

Why don’t we stop and defund the military. So these concerns might be addressed. What if one of these young girls has a date? Or is Black.


6 posted on 04/05/2014 10:35:20 PM PDT by FreeperCell
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To: wetphoenix

Crew cuts for everyone then.


7 posted on 04/05/2014 10:36:10 PM PDT by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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To: Eagles6

BTTT


8 posted on 04/05/2014 10:38:41 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: wetphoenix

Somehow the Army has managed to survive this long without these regs. I think the black servicewomen have a reasonable objection.


9 posted on 04/05/2014 10:39:00 PM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: wetphoenix
The military is drawing down and they are looking for any reason to cut down our numbers.

On one hand, the Army is allowing Sikh's to wear their hair in a way that is appropriate to their religion, but females who have worn their hair a certain way for years and it has not been a problem are now asked to compromise.

Garrison warriors have nothing better to do than change uniforms and design ways to wear clothing.

10 posted on 04/05/2014 10:39:40 PM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: eclecticEel

Under obama the military is turning into one big fashion show.


11 posted on 04/05/2014 10:39:53 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: wetphoenix

we’re done.

the military is not the general public. it is not a democracy.

i strongly suggest learning your own defense tactics and training with like minded people in your area you can trust. we cannot count on the military anymore. it’s just a petri dish for social experiments


12 posted on 04/05/2014 10:40:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: wetphoenix

A third of the women in the military are black. That is racist. And why do they need a National Association of Black Military Women? Is there a white association? Hell no!


13 posted on 04/05/2014 10:40:41 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: eclecticEel

or dismiss all black women in the military worried about their hairdos. probably the best if that’s their most pressing concern.


14 posted on 04/05/2014 10:42:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Theoria

Garrison warriors = REMFs

Same same every war. The cowards hide in the rear and boost their careers by inventing problems to solve.


15 posted on 04/05/2014 10:44:06 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Get ready, little lady. Hell is coming to breakfast.)
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To: Eagles6
High and tight for everybody. Do the same PT, same physical requirements, same haircuts, same everything. Problem solved

As a former infantry officer, I agree wholeheartedly. ONE standard for everyone. Same haircuts, same PT standards (not gender normed!).

The funny thing about all this is that those hairstyles were not allowed anyway. The new reg just spelled it out more clearly than the old one did.

16 posted on 04/05/2014 10:44:31 PM PDT by Terabitten (I'd rather have one Walker than fourteen runners.)
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To: VerySadAmerican
And why do they need a National Association of Black Military Women?

Maybe they should have their own squad kind of like the Tuskegee Airmen. Bring back segregation.

17 posted on 04/05/2014 10:46:06 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: wetphoenix

#2 clipper head, problem solved.


18 posted on 04/05/2014 10:52:13 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: sagar
Wig? What wig?


19 posted on 04/05/2014 10:52:42 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: wetphoenix; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


20 posted on 04/05/2014 10:53:32 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Sloth
Somehow the Army has managed to survive this long without these regs. I think the black servicewomen have a reasonable objection.

Nope. Those hair styles have never been allowed. There was, however, some wiggle room for NCOs enforcing those standards. The new regulation simply spells it out more explicitly, thus reducing any interpretation or discretion by the NCOs charged with enforcing the standards.

Here's the current reg:

Extreme, eccentric, or trendy haircuts or hairstyles are not authorized. If soldiers use dyes, tints, or bleaches, they must choose those that result in natural hair colors. Colors that detract from a professional military appearance are prohibited. Therefore, soldiers should avoid using colors that result in an extreme appearance. Applied hair colors that are prohibited include, but are not limited to, purple, blue, pink, green, orange, bright (fire-engine) red, and fluorescent or neon colors. It is the responsibility of leaders to use good judgment in determining if applied colors are acceptable, based upon the overall effect on soldiers’ appearance.

Cornrows and dreads were already covered under the first sentence - extreme, eccentric, or trendy hairstyles.

21 posted on 04/05/2014 10:54:11 PM PDT by Terabitten (I'd rather have one Walker than fourteen runners.)
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To: Terabitten

Doesn’t matter. If it affects an aggrieved, protected group disproportionately then heads must roll.


22 posted on 04/05/2014 10:57:40 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Sloth

“Somehow the Army has managed to survive this long without these regs. I think the black servicewomen have a reasonable objection.”

I have to agree


23 posted on 04/05/2014 11:02:00 PM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: wetphoenix

If it’s equality they want then all GI’s should have the burr cut. No special privilege for ‘special’ people, none.


24 posted on 04/05/2014 11:02:27 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Veggie Todd

How about nationwide segregation ... build a giant wall around Montana and put all liberals inside ... black and white alike! How long would it take for them to start eating each other?! It would be sad to lose Montana ... but it would eventually revert back to us after they killed each other off!


25 posted on 04/05/2014 11:06:23 PM PDT by galtman (America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.)
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To: wetphoenix

One has to suppose that, these days, it would be too much to hope that they might spend their time worrying about the defense of their nationand let the concern for their hairstyles go by the boards?


26 posted on 04/05/2014 11:22:30 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Sloth
I think the black servicewomen have a reasonable objection.

The objection deserves a response but representing a union in our military smacks of mutiny and may be a courts martial offense under some "circumstances".

said Patricia Jackson-Kelley of the National Association of Black Military Women.

27 posted on 04/05/2014 11:44:57 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Our military is being turned into a social club and any bets that our enemies are just sitting back and anticipating the end of the mighty American military? I’m sure the Chinese are looking forward to their day in the glorious sun of being the only military superpower in the world in the near future.

Chinese military training videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUJJDU1BJw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_XXUYFdyk

Meanwhile we worry about hair styles.


28 posted on 04/05/2014 11:47:44 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: wetphoenix

Actually there IS a very practical reason for proper hair styles.

As a former NBC NCO in the US Army I observed one of the biggest causes of failing the 9-sec rule for donning the individual gas mask was hair styling. When the service member complained, no problem. We just took the members into the gas chamber for some quality training time and those unusual hair styles very quickly disappeared. Funny how being unable to establish a good air seal can work wonders on one’s attitude.


29 posted on 04/06/2014 12:21:42 AM PDT by egfowler3 (Why do I even bother? No one's listening.)
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To: wetphoenix

These women should be required to have hair like Grace Jones, in the movie ‘Conan The Destroyer’. ...Easy to care for, as it was essentially just a little longer crew cut.


30 posted on 04/06/2014 12:27:47 AM PDT by octex
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To: eclecticEel

KISS. keep it simple stupid. :)


31 posted on 04/06/2014 12:48:20 AM PDT by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: wetphoenix

No wonder Putin doesn’t seemed concerned about the USA at present - surely these “soldiers” should be thinking about whether they might be going to war anytime soon!


32 posted on 04/06/2014 1:58:47 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: wetphoenix

How can this be? I guess that race does matter after all.


33 posted on 04/06/2014 2:11:51 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: wetphoenix; Jet Jaguar; xzins; 2ndDivisionVet

The Pentagon says that all states are now complying with new rules allowing the same-sex spouses of military members to get ID cards in order to claim benefits. Hagel said in an October speech that the states' refusal to comply had created hardship for couples by forcing them to travel long distances to federal military bases to get the ID cards. Under Pentagon policy that took effect Sept. 3, same-sex military spouses are eligible for the same health care, housing and other benefits enjoyed by opposite-sex spouses.

Hungover Hagel, dutifully complying with his master Bathhouse Barry's orders, shoved "same sex" benefits down the military's throat. In a budget where Hagel furloughed aircraft maintainers, nurses, teachers, and low paid secretaries (stealing 20% of the paychecks from May to August) - he spent hundreds of Millions of dollars so that homosexual playthings could collect big bucks playing house.

The Pentagon is going around talking about the evils of tobacco and hairstyles - yet Hagel is paying Millions of dollars to ensure that fisting and anal sex are publicly subsidized.

Meanwhile, this garbage is taking place:

Airmen say Air Force is punishing evangelical Christians

Christians Face Culture of Fear, Intimidation in U.S. Military Today


34 posted on 04/06/2014 2:30:23 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: wetphoenix

I agree that braids are not an impediment to service...depending on length, of course. I also agree that braids are predominantly used by African-American women.

As with any style, the real issue is field duty or combat duty. If anything imposes additional hygiene problems in the field, then it shouldn’t be allowed. Another field concern is whether it is more dangerous in combat...a handhold for an enemy. A long braid definitely would provide that.

Any such decision, then, based on hygiene or combat safety, should counter any concern based on race, religion, etc.

The Army does not exist to perform garrison duties. It exists to perform combat duties.


35 posted on 04/06/2014 2:31:38 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Most people don’t realize the consequence for a large majority of blacks who attempt to comply with these regulations ruling out cornrows or braiding. Attempting to ‘straighten’ the African American curly hair is far less natural and time consuming than keeping it short in either cornrows or short braids.

It additionally requires extensive chemical treatment with risks of going bald in either case.

For black women in the military, the cornrows or short braids is an appropriate military hair style. For black men, the cornrows also is appropriate, just as appropriate as a flat top or a burr haircut.

To regulate out these styles is equivalent to mandating all military men must have micro curly hair, which would take white males an equally long and artificial effort to achieve in order to comply with such a regulation.

IMHO, too many regulators confuse those who seek these methods as being rebellious to grooming standards, but fail to understand or simply ignore the racial differences which effect the methods of grooming and field hygiene.


36 posted on 04/06/2014 2:44:58 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

If is not a combat impediment or a hygiene concern, then leave the troops alone. If it is an appearance concern, that is, it makes the individual soldier look less than well-regulated and a detriment to good order and discipline, then that would be an extreme appearance that would not fit both naturally and neatly beneath any of the military’s head coverings.


37 posted on 04/06/2014 2:53:30 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Eagles6

Eh, I like your solution in theory, but life would be simpler if we reverted to WAVES, WACS, etc. Oh...and resume conscription; I was tired of dealing with soldiers who join for the college plan or civilians like the Romney boys who are content to watch gals fight in their place.


38 posted on 04/06/2014 4:31:39 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: sagar

Perhaps adoption of the Rutgers women BB team standard would suffice or ask Don Imus for input.


39 posted on 04/06/2014 5:06:39 AM PDT by waredbird
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To: Sloth
Somehow the Army has managed to survive this long without these regs. I think the black servicewomen have a reasonable objection.

Seemed in the Civil War, they did fine.

40 posted on 04/06/2014 5:27:44 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: bigheadfred

“Under obama the military is turning into one big fashion show.”

You mean freak show. Our military is being gutted.


41 posted on 04/06/2014 5:28:32 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: eclecticEel

“Crew cuts for everyone then.”

Worked for Grace Jones.


42 posted on 04/06/2014 5:40:01 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: wetphoenix

Treat everyone equal.

Make them all wear a Marine Corps* High and Tight.

Don’t like it?

Go back to operating a plastic spatula on civvy street.

” For Obama voters that would be CORPSE


43 posted on 04/06/2014 7:10:15 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: wastedyears

“Well that’s a giant can of worms.”

Not if they wear a burqa.


44 posted on 04/06/2014 7:10:30 AM PDT by moovova
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To: xzins
"If is not a combat impediment or a hygiene concern"

Unwashed hair stinks.

Corn rows and dreadlocks are difficult to keep clean in the best of circumstances.


45 posted on 04/06/2014 7:17:38 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: wetphoenix

They want to serve like men then buzzcut them like men, nails, too!


46 posted on 04/06/2014 7:18:59 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: wetphoenix

Dreadlocks and large cornrows looks like something that belongs in the ghetto not the Army one should look professional not like a clown.


47 posted on 04/06/2014 7:19:17 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: wetphoenix

Shave your head, lady, and wear wigs when off-duty.


48 posted on 04/06/2014 8:01:03 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: wastedyears
Wig? What wig?

Credit where credit is due- that is one CREATIVE hairstyle!

;^)

49 posted on 04/06/2014 8:03:12 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: wastedyears

“Well that’s a giant can of worms.”

What. . .the hair?

;-)


50 posted on 04/06/2014 8:20:57 AM PDT by Hulka
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