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Second ship picks up 'ping' in Malaysia Airlines jet search
LA Times ^ | 4/5/14 | http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-malaysia-airlines-search-ping-20140405,0,5012897.stor

Posted on 04/05/2014 10:42:27 PM PDT by Kartographer

The Australian military vessel Ocean Shield, towing a sophisticated pinger locator lent by the U.S. Navy, reported Sunday morning that it had picked up a signal, said Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, who is coordinating search efforts from Perth, Australia.

That report comes on the heels of a Saturday night report from the Chinese ship Haixun 01 that it had detected pulse signals both Friday and Saturday at 37.5 mHz, the same frequency used by an airplane flight data recorder.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aviation; mh370; ping
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1 posted on 04/05/2014 10:42:27 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Guessing by now they had plenty of time to go dump a black box somewhere. I don’t trust anything governments say now, was far too many blatant lies off the get-go.


2 posted on 04/05/2014 10:51:32 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Kartographer

I sincerely hope this is it, for the sakes of the families. May they find peace.

And I also sincerely hope that within a year, the entire fleet of commercial passenger aircraft are outfitted with independent power source externally located gps locators that automatically trigger when transponders and or ACARS are disabled, so we don’t have to go through this again, ever.


3 posted on 04/05/2014 10:57:15 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: Kartographer

I’ll take luck over skill any day.


4 posted on 04/05/2014 10:58:28 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: blueplum

Last week they were talking to a company that has black boxes that stream live from the “Cloud” that way finding the black box is not necessary..its about 100,000 per plane, and he said I think 300 planes already come equip with them..it would be great if they could come up with something so that the transponder and ACARS CANNOT be turned off, no matter what, that way if someone is in the cockpit and wants to hijack the plane he can’t turn it off


5 posted on 04/05/2014 10:59:50 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Bulwyf

I couldn’t help having the same thoughts.


6 posted on 04/05/2014 11:09:55 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: Bulwyf
Another one that had the same exact thought 😬!
7 posted on 04/05/2014 11:11:46 PM PDT by galtman (America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.)
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To: Bulwyf

Guessing by now they had plenty of time to go dump a black box somewhere.

8 posted on 04/05/2014 11:14:17 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Bulwyf
Give us a credible reason why they'd do this.

I'm a retired sailor of the Royal Australian Navy and I know some of the people involved in this search from the Australian Defence Force, and I know the type of people as well, even when I don't know them.

For an extremely good reason - and I mean extremely good reason - concerning national security, I might have kept things secret involving a missing aircraft, or even have engaged in some form of cover up. But the reason would have to be extraordinary.

In the absence of such a reason, I would have refused to do so - and so would many others. And those are just people from my own country's services - the same is going to be true of men and women of honour from a wide variety of other countries who are involved in this search. Many of whom are not particular friends of each other's nations, and so finding a cause which would lead to them all lying would be extraordinary.

Australia is currently spending tens of millions of dollars on this search. Other countries are spending a great deal of money too. People are away from their families in uncomfortable conditions, and as time goes on, and hours build up, the risk of something going wrong, and somebody getting hurt of killed increases. We're not going to do this for no reason.

I personally think the evidence is a bit thin that this is the area that MH370 went down, but we're looking there because it's the best evidence we have. Nothing else really makes sense. We could be mistaken - but I find it very hard to credit these claims of coverup. I really do.

9 posted on 04/05/2014 11:24:30 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Kartographer

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10 posted on 04/05/2014 11:28:02 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: blueplum

I’m not sure what kind of peace they will have. The “why” will not be answered by the black box data and they won’t recovery any bodies.


11 posted on 04/05/2014 11:39:01 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kartographer

The United States usually takes a major role in these type accident investigations when an aircraft is goes down, and any number of Americans on board are lost and an American manufactured aircraft is in question. Three American citizens were on the ill fated aircraft. POTUS Obama, once again was either asleep at the wheel, or just did not care enough to get the USA involved very quickly. With the Malaysian government & their government owned airline left standing alone at the outset, heading this search effort, and the USA playing a relative minor role in search & rescue, due to lack of interest from the Obama administration.....this investigation has turned into a three ring circus.

The media across the world....but....especially in the USA, is playing the role of “Dumb & Dumber”!!! Obama has shown exactly the same aloofness in leading the effort of investigation concerning the mass shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, this past week!!! It is clearly evident that from Obama on down, no one had really lifted a finger to take preventative actions on military bases, after Obama’s hero, Col. Hasan did his slaughter of military innocents act, back in 2009!!!

The USA has certainly lost face with POTUS Obama at the head of the ship of state of the American Republic. America is now fully looked upon weaker and incapable of doing anything meaningful across the country and the world. We are now a shadow of our former leadership self.....thanks to the inept, incompetent POTUS, Barack Hussein Obama!!! “How’s that hope & change going for you....America”!!!


12 posted on 04/06/2014 12:22:17 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: naturalman1975

Thanks so much for your post Naturalman....I touch base with the happenings but do not follow it daily....so it’s great to hear someone state things matter of fact...and your post would indicate to me you’re right in what you’re saying.

However, I do think Maylasia dropped the ball a ways back when it would have mattered had they been more forthcoming with the facts once the plane had gone off the map.

I thought likewise with Japan... when the Nuclear meltdown was happening. Prideful nations all, not wanting to appear unable to manage their affairs no matter the danger that looms.

Thank you again...good post..much appreciated.


13 posted on 04/06/2014 12:22:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: RockyTx

ouch


14 posted on 04/06/2014 12:37:02 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Kirkwood

They recovered most of the bodies (some of which disintegrated upon being moved, though) from Air France 447 up to two years after it went down.


15 posted on 04/06/2014 1:23:40 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Bulwyf

“Guessing by now they had plenty of time to go dump a black box somewhere. I don’t trust anything governments say now, was far too many blatant lies off the get-go.”

They find the black box, say it is the plane and due to the depth of the water, will not be able to bring up the wreckage.


16 posted on 04/06/2014 2:13:16 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: naturalman1975
All countries lying?


17 posted on 04/06/2014 3:33:17 AM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: naturalman1975

Thanks for posting and posting sanity. You have been here long enough to know that FR is an outlet that junior grade conspiracy theorists use to hone their “craft”. They are harmless and easily ignored.


18 posted on 04/06/2014 4:22:42 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

They already have something that works:

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Did Not Have An $11 Computer Upgrade That Could Have Provided Key Satellite Data To Aid Search

http://www.ibtimes.com/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-did-not-have-11-computer-upgrade-could-have-provided-key-satellite

But some airlines like Malaysian Airlines will still operate on the cheap and refuse to pay for the service and the equipment.


19 posted on 04/06/2014 4:34:17 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Bulwyf

One pinger attached to the U.S. Constitution, the other to the Bill of Rights.


20 posted on 04/06/2014 4:50:34 AM PDT by twister881
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To: naturalman1975

I can’t explain why so many skeptics regarding this story. If you’ve been following our political situation maybe that’s connected.


21 posted on 04/06/2014 4:50:51 AM PDT by McGruff (prop.a.gan.da - information of a biased or misleading nature)
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To: naturalman1975

Good on ya, mate! And thanks for serving!

Woomera, SA, 1982-84


22 posted on 04/06/2014 4:55:40 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: naturalman1975
In the absence of such a reason, I would have refused to do so - and so would many others.

As former military myself, I find your statement 'out there'.

Your loyalty to your government & friends/services is admirable (/s in regards to 'government'), but that statement does no favors to your reply to the comment that was obviously directed at the Malays, not the Aussies. I'm not defending his comment, but to-date, there has been plenty of manipulation of all those involved in this search effort, including sending brave searchers hundreds of miles into dangerous areas of ocean on wild goose chases, now hundreds of miles from this latest signal (in the wrong direction, mind you).

23 posted on 04/06/2014 6:10:18 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Do you really think anything would have been different under the GW Bush administration? It was not that long ago that the people of Kuala Lumpur conducted a war crimes tribunal that found GW Bush and members of his administration guilty of war crimes. Of course the tribunal found them guilty in absentia as none were present at trial.


24 posted on 04/06/2014 6:23:25 AM PDT by TiaS
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To: twister881

“One pinger attached to the U.S. Constitution, the other to the Bill of Rights.”

On the assumption anyone will bother to look?


25 posted on 04/06/2014 6:24:57 AM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: outofsalt

A loud alarm sounds more appropriate for the Constitution and Bill of Rights....however not enough firefighters to put out this fire I think.


26 posted on 04/06/2014 6:26:15 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Sarah Barracuda; blueplum

One cannot make a system that runs on aircraft electrical power that doesn’t have an “off” switch (at least a circuit breaker) because of the risk of electrical fire.

Blueplum’s separate, independent backup system may be more workable, but I’m not sure how to power the system - perhaps the emergency bus? Battery power has a tendency to wane on a system that is never used, and therefore be insufficient when the need arises. Latent failure rises to the probability of no longer being latent.

From an aircraft design perspective, the requirements for such a system are difficult.


27 posted on 04/06/2014 6:33:48 AM PDT by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: Kartographer

now all that is needed is a third listener and the spot can be triangulated.

One sonobouy should do the trick. Three would be graeat


28 posted on 04/06/2014 6:35:36 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Yep.


29 posted on 04/06/2014 6:39:28 AM PDT by arderkrag (To conquer oneself is a greater task than conquering others. - Buddha)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Well said! I agree as well...this is important for Boeing to hopefully determine that the crash was not due to any engineering/design issues with the aircraft. This is in our national interest.


30 posted on 04/06/2014 6:42:21 AM PDT by parmamenian
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

The corollary to hope n change is deliberative dithering.

Deliberative dithering results in maximizing the number of votes won in the next election. There is no hope and change if the election is not won

Haste might lose votes


31 posted on 04/06/2014 6:52:20 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: PghBaldy

But that was in an area where recovery could be done fairly easily. I have doubts that Malaysia is going to recover bodies from an area much more isolated, much deeper, and with very rough seas. More likely they will just recover the box and be done with it.


32 posted on 04/06/2014 7:05:00 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: naturalman1975

I’m a former Canadian soldier, I worked for my government for 10 years, did 3 tours and all that good stuff (or not so good).

I also left the infantry after 7 years and went to the airforce to fix aircraft. By the way, 3rd battalion Royal Australian Regiment is my sister unit, I was 2PPCLI.

The evidence piled up spoke loudly to me that this plane was taken for a purpose, not to just go for a dive in the water. Too many things weren’t adding up, and with my own personal experience, I’m not overly trusting (read at all) of the government, any of them.

I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think we should be letting our guard down, Israel has the right idea they’re on high alert and requiring commercial aircraft to identify themselves much sooner.

This is another Osama story, that was a totally made up situation.


33 posted on 04/06/2014 7:05:44 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: gunsequalfreedom

LOL! nice one, I should get myself one, lately the world has just been a strange place.


34 posted on 04/06/2014 7:06:16 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Yes, or they “bury” the body at sea according to moslem tradition. I see a pattern.


35 posted on 04/06/2014 7:07:03 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: naturalman1975

It’s all a bunch of kooks. But I doubt even the kooks think the Australians would plant a black box. Malaysia, maybe. But even that is ridiculous.

Any time you have a big mystery or event the kooks come out of the woodwork.


36 posted on 04/06/2014 7:13:00 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Kartographer

Tech note: The article stated the “Black Box” pinger frequency as 37.5Mh.

Correct frequency is 37.5Kh.


37 posted on 04/06/2014 7:30:14 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

There was a Freeper or two about a week ago who said they wouldn’t be surprised if bodies were planted somewhere out in the ocean for searchers to “find” lol.


38 posted on 04/06/2014 7:48:56 AM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: corlorde

I know, right? If I see the phrase “false flag” used one more time, it’ll be too soon. I think FR needs a moratorium on conspiracy theories.


39 posted on 04/06/2014 7:58:16 AM PDT by arderkrag (To conquer oneself is a greater task than conquering others. - Buddha)
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To: TiaS

Sorry...but do not place GW Bush in the vein as Barack Hussein Obama!!! If you need to fathom this comment to get the meaning then, IMHO...you are lost at sea, never to return to reality!!!


40 posted on 04/06/2014 8:03:08 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: All

I heard a ping in my house this morning


41 posted on 04/06/2014 8:07:31 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: arderkrag
I think FR needs a moratorium on conspiracy theories

I conspiracy theories and a lot of them end up being true. But in this case? No. Every hypothesis has already been considered, and what we need are facts and better data.

The real scandal is that a huge plane with hundreds of people on it, on a regularly scheduled flight, can be lost for so long. Meanwhile, big brother is probably reading this email.

42 posted on 04/06/2014 8:07:36 AM PDT by grania
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To: blueplum

I was just flying yesterday with my Dad in his little plane. He has a device called Find Me Spot that’s the size of a pager that sits on the visor and pings a satellite every ten minutes with current location. The information is captured and stored so family members or emergency contacts can easily follow the path of the plane. When we landed he hits the OK button and it sends a final ping and turns off.

This device costs about $100 and a subscription to the database costs $49 per year.


43 posted on 04/06/2014 8:19:40 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
If we could only get someone to photoshop a black box into this still:


44 posted on 04/06/2014 8:23:06 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: MortMan

Please see my post 43. The Find Me Spot device has it’s own power source, but could easily be provided with an external source of power. If that source is killed, the internal battery can operate for days.

You don’t need to reinvent the black box. You just need archived position data updated every ten minutes by satellite.


45 posted on 04/06/2014 8:26:12 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: Kartographer

The disinformation campaign continues. :-)


46 posted on 04/06/2014 8:29:38 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: stinkerpot65; naturalman1975

It’s FR in an election year - everything is a Muslim Democrat Terrorist conspiracy to take down the United States and start a One World government.

off years a better, but some of the speculation I’ve seen on FR is so ridiculous I literally laughed at the absurdity.


47 posted on 04/06/2014 8:55:35 AM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: Kartographer

Ping!


48 posted on 04/06/2014 9:13:29 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: MortMan

In the event of total electrical failure, a small prop that works off ram air will start to spin, providing minimal emergency backup power to the most critical systems, like communications and life support (if it could be called that), maybe some hydraulics.


49 posted on 04/06/2014 11:14:47 AM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: Kartographer

50 posted on 04/06/2014 11:16:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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