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Gun advocates credit new concealed carry laws for sharp drop in Chicago murder rate
Washington Times ^ | April 5, 2014 | Phillip Swarts

Posted on 04/05/2014 10:51:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

Chicago police are reporting that the murder rate for the first quarter of the year is the lowest it’s been in more than 50 years, which gun advocates are attributing to a concealed carry law passed in Illinois last year.

The first three months of 2014 have seen the fewest number of homicides since 1958 — six fewer than this time in 2013, and 55 fewer than this time in 2012, The Chicago Sun-Times reported.

Gun-rights advocates argue that concealed carry laws can reduce crime and keep the population safer. The state began accepting applications for permits in January.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; carry; chicago; concealed; murder
This should cause a crisis for Rahm Emanuel.

Of course the ComDems will try to spin this away.

1 posted on 04/05/2014 10:51:23 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Wonder how the gun ban characters’ll try to spin this....


2 posted on 04/05/2014 11:07:07 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Texas Fossil

Bump


3 posted on 04/05/2014 11:08:18 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Texas Fossil

Some conservatives are former liberals who got mugged by life!!!


4 posted on 04/05/2014 11:09:26 PM PDT by galtman (America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.)
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To: Jack Hammer

The article quoted them as saying it was because of police work and confiscation of 1300 illegal guns during that time.

All ComDems lie. They know better, but they must not admit their failures.


5 posted on 04/05/2014 11:10:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: galtman

Thanks.

Good quote.


6 posted on 04/05/2014 11:10:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Texas Fossil

So... the police weren’t working for the past twenty years?

The liberal mindset is daft.


7 posted on 04/05/2014 11:12:39 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

Agree.

But they will never admit failure. They must lie to get elected and stay in power.


8 posted on 04/05/2014 11:17:15 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Read some of the comments: “ghetto rat Democrats”, “lefty idiots”, “Obama a** kissers”.
We FRiends appear moderate in comparison. It supports my position that we’re closer to the middle than the “progressives.”
Like “climate change” they changed from “liberals” when the term took on a pejorative tone.
Chicago was safer than Indianapolis for the first time in 50 years. Yeah Rahm, it’s gotta be your policing and gun confiscation.
“An armed society is a polite society.”


9 posted on 04/05/2014 11:34:37 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: Texas Fossil
At least some of the reduction comes from fear of irritating someone that's already on edge that might go off and obtain a gun for the purpose of exacting some revenge.

I speak from personal experience.

I have a family acquaintance that's imposing, shallow, and just generally a huge PITA. That's the consensus of family and friends. The behavior, emotional games, and the deliberate manipulation of others is outrageous. This person really doesn't understand what's wrong. For health reasons (hypertension) some have cut off contact with this person. For myself I've tried to be nice, but the level of selfishness in this person and the size of the ego creates a barrier to any subtle hints or criticism, so finally I decided to be blunt and brutally honest. This person was very upset, but denied having any fault.

Afterword I recalled that this person has firearm. I quickly changed my approach and moved towards some sort of reconciliation, deciding to simply try to tolerate all the headaches and stress.

It's not that there is obvious evidence that this person is unstable. If that were the case the gun might be confiscated on the grounds of mental illness. It's more complicated than that. This person probably won't do anything rash, but the loss of my life is very serious to me so any chance that they might behave rashly must be taken seriously. I really wish the games would stop, but fearing for my life means I'm going to have to go back to simply indulging this person.

What I'm saying in the context of the new CC law is that the reduction in homicides might be occurring because people now seriously consider the possibility of being shot by someone they've had a conflict with. When CC was illegal, the idea that someone might have a gun wasn't often considered in a conflict. Now that CC is legal, everyone is much more likely aware of the feelings and sensitivities of the person they're addressing or otherwise dealing with and this is heading off conflicts that might otherwise occur.

10 posted on 04/05/2014 11:59:05 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: Texas Fossil

I am currently an applicant for the Illinois concealed permit. I am super pro-gun, but the pro-gunners saying the drop is because of the new law are full of crap. The drop in crime is because of the super cold winter we had. Too cold for street gang members to hunt each other down. No concealed carry permits were issued until just 2-3 weeks ago. It will take a couple of years to see how much effect the gun-carry law will have.


11 posted on 04/06/2014 1:22:03 AM PDT by Lockbar (What Would Vlad The Impaler Do?)
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To: Lockbar

What do you think of the legal environment in Chicago? Do you feel that if you’re in a defensive shooting that kills the perp you won’t be persecuted/prosecuted by Anita Alvarez?

It seems to me that until there are a series of test cases establishing a safe harbor for defensive gun use in Illinois, specifically Chicago, concealed carry in Illinois comes with a minimum $25K price tag if you’re serious about defending yourself.


12 posted on 04/06/2014 1:48:34 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

I have no doubt that the first 3-4 uses of self defense concealed carry will be painted as “Racist-wild west actions” by Crook County authorities and the media. We will just have to weather the storm.


13 posted on 04/06/2014 1:56:03 AM PDT by Lockbar (What Would Vlad The Impaler Do?)
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To: Lockbar

Look around the country. Whenever a state repeals onerous gun restrictions there is usually an immediate reduction in shootings. Not necessarily a reduction in all violence, but sometimes that, too. Where do you think Heinlein got “an armed society is a polite society?”

TC


14 posted on 04/06/2014 3:16:02 AM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Texas Fossil

funny deal,
Less crime, fewer killings, hardly any knock out “games” in right to carry states.
Cause you’ll get shot.
and hopefully killed.


15 posted on 04/06/2014 3:24:57 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Lockbar
I am currently an applicant for the Illinois concealed permit. I am super pro-gun, but the pro-gunners saying the drop is because of the new law are full of crap. The drop in crime is because of the super cold winter we had. Too cold for street gang members to hunt each other down. No concealed carry permits were issued until just 2-3 weeks ago. It will take a couple of years to see how much effect the gun-carry law will have.

Chicago has just experienced the coldest four months on record!

I agree with you. (But "global cooling" as the reason should be at least as upsetting to liberals as CCW, since it punctures another one of their most important myths!)

16 posted on 04/06/2014 3:33:45 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Texas Fossil

Maybe they should “spin” it. I have a feeling the bitter cold winter had something to do with it.


17 posted on 04/06/2014 4:02:43 AM PDT by pas
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To: freerepublicchat

I’m a little curious. What relationship do you have with this person that makes it imperative that you be around him? Also, has it not occurred to you to arm yourself, just in case? You should be armed, anyway.


18 posted on 04/06/2014 4:09:00 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: Jack Hammer
Wonder how the gun ban characters’ll try to spin this....

Already started. The murder rate dropped because of all the mayor's new outreach programs. Besides, it's been cold and the misunderstood youth have all been keeping indoors don't you know. Blah, blah, blah...

19 posted on 04/06/2014 4:27:42 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Hey CNN, where's the wall to wall Leland Yee coverage?)
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To: Lockbar

First permits issued 2-3 weeks ago....so in theory ANYONE might now be armed. That would make me more polite.

Was it Dirty Harry who asked. “are you feeling lucky ?”


20 posted on 04/06/2014 5:15:28 AM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed17303 W IH 10 San Antonio TX 78257)
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To: chiller

Btt


21 posted on 04/06/2014 5:17:53 AM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: Lockbar

That was the first thought I had as well. The law is too new to have had much of an effect. It will take a few criminals getting blown away in the act to get the attention of the criminal class in Chicago.


22 posted on 04/06/2014 5:30:48 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Texas Fossil; flaglady47
Just wait till the dreamy, steamy days (and nights) of summer.....

Leni

23 posted on 04/06/2014 5:38:38 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Our greatness - built upon our freedom - is moral not material)
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To: Texas Fossil

RIP Otis

Otis McDonald, the man whose name will be forever synonymous with Second Amendment activism for his victory over Chicago’s handgun ban, died today(Apr 4, 2014), according to his nephew, Dr. Frederick Jones, who spoke with this column. He was 80.

http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-otis-mcdonald-champion-of-supreme-court-victory-passes


24 posted on 04/06/2014 5:42:39 AM PDT by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Reduction is based primarily due to the harsh winter. Set the record straight and don’t baseline the truth artificially low... the Rats will latch onto a “spike” in murders and drumbeat this to the media and coerce some sort of action against legal gun owners.


25 posted on 04/06/2014 5:42:51 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Texas Fossil

If Chicago’s improved Police Training was the true cause of a drop in murder rates to levels of 54 years ago, these spectacular techniques and necessarily remarkably innovative techniques would be on the front page of every newspaper in the country!

Alas, they are not. Conversely, the radical drop in murder rates that is contemporaneous with the enactment of concealed carry laws should be on the front page of every newspaper. But alas, it is not.

The only conclusion is that liberals (and their media lapdogs) would rather see Americans murdered, than acknowledge that yet another of their agenda items is seriously flawed — and even dangerous to Americans.


26 posted on 04/06/2014 5:57:44 AM PDT by Ex-Pat in Mex
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To: Ex-Pat in Mex

I’ll continue to go with death as the operative cause for the decline.

That is, the drop in criminal activity is the result of the criminals murdering each other.


27 posted on 04/06/2014 6:00:22 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

Agree...


28 posted on 04/06/2014 6:10:35 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: tumblindice
These comments at the article are well worth the read...quite humorous

"Go back to strangling chickens for the Colonel, you're not a very good spammer for Obama," ...LOL

29 posted on 04/06/2014 6:21:03 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Texas Fossil
Mr. McCarthy also attributed the drop in violence to better police training and community programs to keep kids off the street

Sure. The crime rate is down because of the effectiveness of the police unions and midnight basketball, plus all of a sudden the thugs got their guns taken away by the oh-so-efficient cops.

Why should anybody expect anything but self-aggrandizement and lies from these Liberal politicians? Wait until the weather warms up. They had better plan to have their midnight basketball games down at the morgue. It will save them cartage fees.

30 posted on 04/06/2014 6:39:03 AM PDT by Gritty (For your psycho gunman, a military base is basically a grade-school in uniform-Mark Steyn)
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To: Texas Fossil

We were noticing the winter lull in shootings before anyone got approved, so that observation is valid. I got approved a few weeks ago, been carrying ever since then. Main thing is remembering where you are and what you can do. It’s an unduly complex law, and is certain to snare the less careful. There are still too many gun-free zones available to criminals, and there is still concerted effort, in Cook County particularly, to impede the free exercise of our 2A rights. Otis McDonald, a key legal pioneer of the modern 2A resurgence in Illinois, recently passed away. He would no doubt be proud of the legacy he has left to us, but it is just a beginning, and there is still much work to do.


31 posted on 04/06/2014 6:44:36 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Lockbar
I have no doubt that the first 3-4 uses of self defense concealed carry will be painted as “Racist-wild west actions” by Crook County authorities and the media.

Obama, Jesse Al, Rahm are already prepared with pre-written fill in the blank media talking points, victim video clips, and Trayvon Martin's mother plane ticket and speaking fee..

32 posted on 04/06/2014 6:51:55 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: freerepublicchat
Afterword I recalled that this person has firearm. I quickly changed my approach and moved towards some sort of reconciliation, deciding to simply try to tolerate all the headaches and stress.

So you just surrendered. A very liberal approach, and it worked well for Neville Chamberlain.

33 posted on 04/06/2014 7:11:50 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Thanks. I totally agree with your accessment.

I sympathize with your existence behind enemy lines. I am blessed, live in open country. Few people, friendly local law enforcement, old friends and fresh air.

That said, I plan to be in DC on May 16th. Feel compelled to be there.


34 posted on 04/06/2014 7:18:37 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Gritty

Yes, I can see the issue you made.

Cities have always been corrupt. Huge cities are generally the most corrupt.

Then there is Chicago, gangsta city.


35 posted on 04/06/2014 7:21:01 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Texas Fossil

It was the freezing temperatures. For weeks nobody could hang out long enough to get shot.


36 posted on 04/06/2014 7:28:35 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Lockbar
Cops: No charges for man with concealed carry permit who fired at armed male

After the shooting, police responded and determined that the man was shooting in self-defense. The man had a valid firearm owner's identification card, a valid concealed carry permit and police were able to determine that he had completed a required concealed carry class and was properly trained

It's already been tried and tested. Came out pretty good, too.

37 posted on 04/06/2014 7:33:19 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Texas Fossil
This is one of Chicago's west side neighborhoods over the weekend:

. A number of the partygoers appeared intoxicated, cursed at police, ran under the crime scene tape and shouted in general about poor police response. One woman was carried out by her limbs by officers, who set her down outside the crime scene tape. A number of the obscenities were directed at the race of the officers, who were primarily white. A black officer was singled out by a woman in the crowd for being on the wrong side

38 posted on 04/06/2014 7:40:03 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Well if cold temps make them less violent we might should make a deal with Obozo’s friend Putin and have them moved to Siberia.


39 posted on 04/06/2014 1:28:44 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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