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US sending 2 warships to Japan to counter N. Korea
Associated Press ^ | Apr 6, 2014 12:10 PM EDT | Lolita C. Baldor

Posted on 04/06/2014 1:30:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai

U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel delivered a two-pronged warning to Asia Pacific nations Sunday, announcing that the U.S. will send two additional ballistic missile destroyers to Japan to counter the North Korean threat, and saying China must better respect its neighbors.

In unusually forceful remarks about China, Hagel drew a direct line between Russia’s takeover of Ukraine’s Crimea region and the ongoing territorial disputes between China, Japan and others over remote islands in the East China Sea.

“I think we’re seeing some clear evidence of a lack of respect and intimidation and coercion in Europe today with what the Russians have done with Ukraine,” Hagel told reporters after a meeting with Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera. “We must be very careful and we must be very clear, all nations of the world, that in the 21st century this will not stand, you cannot go around the world and redefine boundaries and violate territorial integrity and sovereignty of nations by force, coercion and intimidation whether it’s in small islands in the Pacific or large nations in Europe.” …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hagel; northkorea; redchina; warships
Another bluff to be called by our enemies?
1 posted on 04/06/2014 1:30:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

What in the he** is a “ballistic missile destroyer”?


2 posted on 04/06/2014 1:33:35 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Now I understand. The Trident frigates with 24 Trident missiles on them.


3 posted on 04/06/2014 1:34:56 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Olog-hai
in the 21st century this will not stand, you cannot go around the world and redefine boundaries and violate territorial integrity and sovereignty of nations by force, coercion and intimidation whether it’s in small islands in the Pacific or large nations in Europe.

Or what, Hagel? Russia does it. So shut up.
4 posted on 04/06/2014 1:35:47 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Olog-hai
Another bluff to be called by our enemies?

It's not really a bluff when you have the biggest and most advanced equipment inventory in the world. It's nations like Russia that are playing with a weak hand and basically bluffing. It's not like Obama has to exert himself to order the Navy or the Air Force into battle. By any measure, he's got a straight flush. The only question is whether he wants to be in the game.

5 posted on 04/06/2014 1:38:59 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Olog-hai

Good thing we’re building up the size of our navy.

/s


6 posted on 04/06/2014 1:43:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Olog-hai

OK folks here is a chilling thought. How long before we see a USS Obama?


7 posted on 04/06/2014 1:44:52 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: BenLurkin

this is a response to a complaint by japan regarding our military response to Russia.


8 posted on 04/06/2014 1:46:43 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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9 posted on 04/06/2014 1:47:18 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Huskrrrr
OK folks here is a chilling thought. How long before we see a USS Obama?

There's already a USS John Murtha…

10 posted on 04/06/2014 1:51:51 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Zhang Fei

It is a bluff if you don’t intend to use it. It’s one thing to have the weaponry (and its relative effectiveness can either way be called into question) and yet another to use it. And still another thing to use it to great effect.


11 posted on 04/06/2014 1:54:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The way China sees it, China has scores to settle (Opium Wars, conned out of resources by empires, etc.). China sees the Yellow River flowing out to the sea, then the ocean and the world.


12 posted on 04/06/2014 2:00:46 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: andyk

“in the 21st century this will not stand, you cannot go around the world and redefine boundaries and violate territorial integrity and sovereignty of nations by force, coercion and intimidation whether it’s in small islands in the Pacific or large nations in Europe.”

Like on our southern border.


13 posted on 04/06/2014 2:01:39 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: familyop

Meanwhile, Red China has no problem conning central Africa out of its natural resources and acting in an imperial manner there.


14 posted on 04/06/2014 2:03:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: andyk

Might Makes Right...Always has, always will.

You think Hitler was defeated just because he was “Wrong”? It took greater might to defeat him.


15 posted on 04/06/2014 2:03:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Huskrrrr
OK folks here is a chilling thought. How long before we see a USS Obama?

Right after the USS Harvey Milk (and that will happen)

16 posted on 04/06/2014 2:04:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai
It is a bluff if you don’t intend to use it. It’s one thing to have the weaponry (and its relative effectiveness can either way be called into question) and yet another to use it. And still another thing to use it to great effect.

It's not a bluff in the sense that he's anteing up a little before folding despite having a straight flush. He doesn't want to be in this game, but has to show some interest lest he be accused of being weak on defense issues. The game he wants to be in involves getting this country as close as he can to the Swedish welfare state. Getting involved in foreign wars would divert money from his domestic priorities.

17 posted on 04/06/2014 2:06:25 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Wars start when weak men try to act like they’re tough.


18 posted on 04/06/2014 2:08:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Wars start when weak men try to act like they’re tough.

I don't think Obama is weak at all. He's stuck with his domestic policy commitments through thick and thin. He just doesn't care about foreign policy. As far as he's concerned, if Russia (or anybody else) overran Europe or the rest of the world, that would be fine with him, as long as he did not get blamed for it. He's the left-wing equivalent of Charles Lindbergh (meaning nations should prepare their own defenses or suffer the consequences) except he makes the usual noises about alliance commitments without meaning it.

19 posted on 04/06/2014 2:27:36 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Folding is a demonstration of inner weakness. Even worse than bluffing, which is supposed to make your opponent fold.


20 posted on 04/06/2014 2:30:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Zhang Fei

IOW, he’s weak. Strong leaders act rather than talk.


21 posted on 04/06/2014 2:30:47 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Zhang Fei

Military power is useless if you are politically incapable of using it. The American public will not tolerate thousands of casualties for some islands between Japan and China they can’t pronounce or spell. China surely would.

Therefore any differences in military might are irrelevant.

Unfortunately the US brass seems incapable of understanding that war is an extension of politics.


22 posted on 04/06/2014 2:31:44 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: Olog-hai

Like it or not, most Africans prefer China to the West. There is a history there.


23 posted on 04/06/2014 2:32:41 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: Huskrrrr

24 posted on 04/06/2014 2:39:39 PM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day.)
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To: Olog-hai
Folding is a demonstration of inner weakness. Even worse than bluffing, which is supposed to make your opponent fold.

He merely wants to do enough to pacify domestic constituents who might look askance at the raised middle finger he is extending to our military dependents allies abroad. I think in addition to his domestic objectives, his long term foreign policy objective is to convert the US either into a super-sized Switzerland that doesn't fight anybody else's wars or a super-sized Canada that only does peace-keeping operations. I think that's a demonstration of inner strength, given the misguided view among many Americans that our First World status relies on having a military that's big enough to throw its weight around - an outgrowth of Russian propaganda about the US being an overweening Western imperialistic power that claws unearned tribute from its vassal states that has since become conventional wisdom.

25 posted on 04/06/2014 2:41:26 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: sunrise_sunset

No they don’t. Majority are slaves to Red China and have no say; construing the opinion of the big men colluding with China as the opinion of the slaves is specious.

In fact, many African countries are wondering why the USA is showing zero interest in mining over in Africa.


26 posted on 04/06/2014 2:42:10 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Zhang Fei

He’s still going to fold and look weak.


27 posted on 04/06/2014 2:42:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
IOW, he’s weak. Strong leaders act rather than talk.

Like it or not, I think Obama views our military dependents treaty allies the way the average motorist views the squeegee men who work certain stop lights in the big cities. Is he strong or weak for not giving them money?

28 posted on 04/06/2014 2:47:09 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Olog-hai
He’s still going to fold and look weak.

More and more, especially in the wake of Iraq and Afghanistan, I think domestic public opinion is turning towards the view (typical among the public in most countries outside of the US) that foreign wars really are foreign wars, and not worth the expenditure of young American servicemen or our hard-earned dollars. The noblesse oblige attitude of a country that once had far higher average incomes than even the wealthiest European countries is fading, now that they have caught up, even as American incomes have stagnated. Obama is catching the wave, which is why his handling of the Arab Spring has not affected his poll ratings.

29 posted on 04/06/2014 2:55:14 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: andyk

I guess it means that Hagel and this administration need to go kick the Russians out of Crimea (?)

He said this will not stand . .


30 posted on 04/06/2014 3:07:48 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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To: Olog-hai
Hagel, like his anti-military master, should know by now what any rough and tumble teenager knows, that talk is cheap.

Warning rivals about "the twenty-first century" way of doing things will not replace the effective projection of force around the world. The big stick beats the big mouth every time and only the most supine moral coward would think otherwise.

31 posted on 04/06/2014 3:12:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Zhang Fei
It's not really a bluff when you have the biggest and most advanced equipment inventory in the world.

In 1936 France had the biggest Army and the best tanks in the world. In violation of the Versailles Treaty, a ragtag proto-army from Germany re-occupied the Rhineland. France did nothing. The rest is history.

32 posted on 04/06/2014 3:22:54 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Olog-hai

Yep. It appears that most Chinese folks have always yearned for an emperor of one kind or another, in my opinion. And yes, on average, they’re quite nationalistic. But the way they see it, that’s different. And the way they see it, they’re different. The way they see it, the Japanese, Taiwanese and quite a few others around them are and always have been Chinese.


33 posted on 04/06/2014 3:29:20 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The only question is whether he wants to be in the game.

Agreed and the reason being is that he and his entourage of street hustlers don't have a clue how the game is played. Since Truman, I can't recall any other administration so completely immersed in ignorance and ineptitude.......................

34 posted on 04/06/2014 3:45:50 PM PDT by varon (Para bellum)
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To: moose07

LOL!


35 posted on 04/06/2014 4:51:52 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Quite a few of the Burke destroyers and I believe all the guided missile cruisers have the Aegis software upgrades and the later model Standard missiles that allow them to track and engage ballistic missiles in flight and destroy them. I would assume that’s what they are talking about.


36 posted on 04/06/2014 4:56:17 PM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Huskrrrr

“OK folks here is a chilling thought. How long before we see a USS Obama?”
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Just the thought of that almost made me barf.


37 posted on 04/06/2014 5:21:40 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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