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Junior gun licence numbers revealed (Australia)
Herald Sun ^ | 6th April 2014 | Christopher Gillett

Posted on 04/06/2014 1:52:23 PM PDT by naturalman1975

SUBURBAN schoolchildren as young as 12 years old are applying for and getting gun licences in their hundreds, new figures show.

The approved youngsters, including pre-teens, can legally shoot rifles, shotguns and handguns under supervision.

Victoria Police approved 1028 licences in metropolitan areas last year — more than 270 were granted to children aged 12 to 14.

Junior gun owners live in some of the state’s most exclusive suburbs including Prahran and span as far as the Mornington Peninsula and Geelong.

Epping is Melbourne’s young gun capital with 211 permits given the green light to under 18s.

Victorian chief executive of the Sporting Shooters’ Association Jack Wegman said the legitimate use of firearms was not a concern to the community.

(Excerpt) Read more at heraldsun.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist
Just posting as a counterpoint to the "Guns are banned in Australia" message that pops up on a semi-regular basis on Freerepublic, apparently because there's been some sort of effort in the US to convince people that this is the case.

We certainly have some restrictions to deal with, including some very dumb restrictions. It's harder to own a gun than it should be. But it's really not that hard.

1 posted on 04/06/2014 1:52:23 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975
In a strong sign that guns have become more accepted in the community, the Victorian Government lists a metro gun range on their website promoting school holiday activities

I will say that I find this very surprising - I would not have expected the state government to do this, and am heartened by it. A more-or-less official acknowledgement that this is a legitimate sporting activity for children surprises me - until now, the government attitude has been more along the lines of "Keep quiet and we'll let you do it. But we don't want a fuss from the anti-gun people so try not to attract attention."

2 posted on 04/06/2014 1:55:32 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

My daughter, who lives in Canberra, laughs when people say Australia is gun free since there seem to be shootings in Sydney on the news all the time. It seems they neglect to consider all the illegal guns smuggled into the country.


3 posted on 04/06/2014 1:59:46 PM PDT by heylady (we were brought up to believe that there were things more important,duty and personal responsibility)
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To: naturalman1975
You are trying to rationalize away an unacceptable state of affairs.

To say nothing about being forced to give up your Ruger 10-22, everything you got to keep is now on a list, and they will be back to take them any day now.

4 posted on 04/06/2014 2:01:25 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: heylady
It seems they neglect to consider all the illegal guns smuggled into the country.

They do, but there are also millions of guns held legally. It's important to point that out, because if the only guns out there were the illegal ones in the hands of criminals, calls for further gun control might make more sense.

But legally held firearms are rarely used in crimes. We do have laws that say people with serious criminal histories, or recent minor criminal histories may be prevented from legally owning guns. But law abiding citizens can generally be trusted to remain law abiding.

5 posted on 04/06/2014 2:03:10 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
You are trying to rationalize away an unacceptable state of affairs.

No, I'm not. I'm just not going to claim it's worse than it is while I try to make it better.

To say nothing about being forced to give up your Ruger 10-22, everything you got to keep is now on a list, and they will be back to take them any day now.

I've never given up a firearm in my life. I've never had to. I've been limited in my choice of what I could but certainly - I happened to want the SLR I've got as my main long gun, because it's what I was trained to use in the service - if I'd wanted an M-16, or an AR-15, I'd have been out of luck, but I wasn't after that. And I think that's wrong and rather stupid.

But I don't fear having my weapons taken. If a government had wanted to do that, quite seriously, they could have in the late 1990s. There was overwhelming public support for a near total ban on firearms, and politically they could have done it. They didn't, and I do not see any reason at all to suppose they are likely to try in the future, because we are moving further and further away from that type of mindset, not closer and closer to it.

6 posted on 04/06/2014 2:08:16 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
Yeah. I learned about this after listening to a few podcast interviews on The Firearms Radio Network (LINK) with a few Aussies. They were quite enlightening.
7 posted on 04/06/2014 2:09:44 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: naturalman1975

Australia rocks, BTW. Went to Perth and Freemantle back in 1994. LOVED it.


8 posted on 04/06/2014 2:10:39 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: naturalman1975

“SUBURBAN schoolchildren as young as 12 years old are applying for and getting gun licences in their hundreds,...”

Why do they have to wait until they’re in their hundreds to get their licences...if they can apply as young as 12?


9 posted on 04/06/2014 2:56:56 PM PDT by moovova
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To: moovova

That sentence is correct ... yourinterpretation is wrong.


10 posted on 04/06/2014 3:01:53 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: naturalman1975

Yet they are all LICENSED! That means the government may confiscate them at any time.

By the way, I was legally hunting in Michigan at the age of 11, fired my first rifle at the age of seven, owned my first 22 LR and shotgun at the age of 11, and had my first center fire rifle at the age of 13 all with no approval or knowledge of any government.


11 posted on 04/06/2014 3:26:00 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: naturalman1975; SkyDancer

Do You get to shoot much Skydancer?


12 posted on 04/06/2014 3:30:10 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

Just pellet guns. Go out into the bush to some farms and hunt mice and stuff - rodents and whatnot - they tear up the farmers grain/corn bins. Some of us make a day of it.


13 posted on 04/06/2014 3:44:56 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: SkyDancer
Nice!

Sounds like fun.

Do they even have snakes in Australia? Surely they do.

That would make some fun .410 Hunting.

14 posted on 04/06/2014 4:23:54 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

Snakes?! Oh G-d yeah! The Australian brown snake is very deadly! Hangs out in the bush, peoples back yards - four feet long is not uncommon and some are longer.


15 posted on 04/06/2014 4:47:50 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: SkyDancer
Yikes! You would need a .410!

On Guam they had those Creep Brown Snakes. They have been trying for years to get rid of them.

You ever had to face on down? :0

16 posted on 04/06/2014 5:42:45 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

Surprisingly enough - the cats down here are pretty good at killing them. Don’t know how they do it but they do it ....


17 posted on 04/06/2014 5:54:58 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Ping to Armed Children in Australia.


18 posted on 04/06/2014 6:50:30 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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“First and foremost it is a legitimate sport, like any other sport, something that all ages and all walks of life should participate in,” Mr Wegman said.

“Our membership certainly is starting to reflect a younger demographic which we think is very good.

“We think 12 is a good age to introduce shooters (to the sport). Twelve is a recognised age for being on the brink of that youthfulness rather than childhood. It’s a good age.”

Mr Wegman believed numbers were increasing because more parents were deciding to arm their offspring for hunting and target shooting.

Sounds perfectly natural to me...as long as they follow the laws about gun safety and don't leave them lying around loaded.

19 posted on 04/06/2014 7:53:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Its really laudable, freedom us being guaranteed by
institutional training and culture.

The torch of freedom is being passed.


20 posted on 04/07/2014 8:34:10 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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And I have to laugh, because the kids are target shooting or duck-hunting. We really aren’t expecting muggings, knock-out games, home invasions or random attacks in the street anywhere for which we need a firearm to protect ourselves. Our gun-related deaths were still around 2.6 or so in one hundred thousand of the population, and that included suicides and death as the result of law enforcement whilst in the line of duty.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/productsbytopic/9C85BD1298C075EACA2568A900139342?OpenDocument


21 posted on 04/07/2014 8:59:05 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Reminds me of my youth!

I wish we could say the same about young folk in the USA.


22 posted on 04/07/2014 9:10:09 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

I used to cringe when told we were 50 years behind the US of A. Now, I see it as a blessing.


23 posted on 04/07/2014 9:15:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

It is indeed a blessing to have a whole generation capable of bearing arms despite gun control law. It is quite an accomplishment.

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Other activities relating to gun control laws in the states and territories in 2012 included the following:

•In New South Wales, legislation was enacted in June 2012 to place further restrictions on the sale and purchase of ammunition.[109]
•In December 2012, the New South Wales government announced that it had established a committee to provide advice on proposed new gun control legislation that would tighten restrictions in some areas.[110]
•In South Australia, the state attorney-general announced a gun amnesty campaign in June 2012, which ran from August 1 to October 31, 2012.[111] It was reported that 2,783 weapons were surrendered to authorities during the three-month period.[112]
•In Queensland, the police minister established an advisory panel in August 2012 to examine gun laws and licensing with the aim of reducing red tape for licensed firearms owners,[113] generating a strong negative response from the Queensland Police Union.[114]
•The Queensland government also introduced amending legislation in November 2012 to introduce new mandatory minimum penalties for weapons offenses “in an effort to address the unlawful use of firearms.”[115] It also announced a gun amnesty for people to either hand in or register their firearms.[116] The bill was passed in December 2012.[117]

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/australia.php


24 posted on 04/07/2014 9:29:28 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

I can’t begin to explain the difference, we also have a health system that is both public and private and it works.

Our history and demographics are totally different.


25 posted on 04/07/2014 9:44:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

One wonders why Oz is not full of American immigres rather than the sub continental skanks who seem to be arriving in droves, LOL.


26 posted on 04/08/2014 4:16:04 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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