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I-Team: Feds, Nevada rancher facing off over public lands
KLAS-TV Las Vegas ^ | April 4, 2014 | George Knapp

Posted on 04/07/2014 6:37:43 AM PDT by Enlightened1

Dozens of armed federal officers are preparing for a showdown with a Nevada cattle rancher regarded by some as an outlaw and a hero by others.

(Excerpt) Read more at 8newsnow.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Nevada; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: agenda21; armed; bundy; clivenbundy; davebundy; feds; harryreid; neilkornze; nevada; rancher; un; un21; unagenda21
Here are the Feds bulling a man on his own property over a tortoise???

Yes just as the Founding Fathers envisioned...

1 posted on 04/07/2014 6:37:43 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1

See the Fox News special, “Enemies of the State” for details of this horrible case of government bullying in Harry Reid’s state of Nevada. It is shameful that such a thing can happen in America. The Founders would be extremely ashamed of what this nation has become.


2 posted on 04/07/2014 6:39:59 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Enlightened1

obama’s Ruby Ridge coming up?


3 posted on 04/07/2014 6:40:28 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: txrefugee
No they wouldn't, they'd find money to finance G. Washington and await the news of the battle

THAT'S the difference between then and now .... men actually acted upon a challenge and were willing to kill and die for principle.

4 posted on 04/07/2014 6:44:47 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Enlightened1

From the article, I did not get the impression that he was grazing on his own land. Rather, that he was grazing on federal land and not paying the fees.


5 posted on 04/07/2014 6:47:38 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Enlightened1

“...bulling a man on his own property...”

He doesn’t own it. Public land. Not private.

You see, out west cattle ranching tends to rely on access to public lands in order to ensure adequate grazing. It would not be economically feasible for most ranchers to run cattle in a number of western states if they couldn’t graze on BLM land, and BLM land makes up a significant portion of the land in western states (more than half the land is owned by the government in some states).

What we’re seeing here is an intersection of private business interests and public property. I can see good arguments from both sides, the state has a vested interest in preventing over-use and destruction of public lands and the habitat therein, and likewise the public and private businesses have a right to utilize that land - and indeed their livelihood may depend on it.


6 posted on 04/07/2014 6:49:49 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: taxcontrol

In the video there a clearly cattle feeding in bottom land. The is most likely his. In Nevada most bottom land is owned by private parties.


7 posted on 04/07/2014 6:51:49 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Enlightened1
Here are the Feds bulling a man on his own property over a tortoise?

Not his property, the way I read the article. He claims certain "rights" to the use of the property.

The situation sucks, but is not going to turn out well for him, I'm afraid.

8 posted on 04/07/2014 6:53:01 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: jameslalor

It sounds like the land has been used for grazing for many generations. If so, the argument that this is destructive seems pretty weak.


9 posted on 04/07/2014 6:53:28 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: taxcontrol

“Rather, that he was grazing on federal land and not paying the fees.”

No, in 1993 the BLM closed the land to grazing in order to protect the habitat. Prior to 1993 ranchers could pay fees in exchange for grazing rights. This rancher just kept running his cattle on the land.


10 posted on 04/07/2014 6:53:48 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: Enlightened1

I don’t know about Nevada but around here if the Feds want his cattle off that land they need to fence it off.


11 posted on 04/07/2014 6:58:12 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Enlightened1

WACO II


12 posted on 04/07/2014 7:00:37 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Enlightened1

He is not the first rancher the BLM has done this to. Where is the ACLU when a real issue exists. Where is the supreme court ???
Oh wait they are deciing a gay issue... real important to butt stuffers .... but ranchers... pffft they actually produce something useful... What use is the land if not to graze cattle. $1 mil+ costs to round up 500 head? Lets say they shut down every rancher in the area then what ???? build more FEMA CAMPS.... ??????? one man vs an army.... RUBY RIDGE / WACO REDUX


13 posted on 04/07/2014 7:03:26 AM PDT by zzwhale
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To: Enlightened1
The Feds need to be stripped of their Forest and Grassland acerage. 5% to the State per annum would bea good start.

Or they could sell it off to pay the National Debt.

14 posted on 04/07/2014 7:06:15 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: zzwhale

90% of NEVADA IS FEDERALLY OWNED..... by the way..... WHY?
privatize it and be done with the need for BLM in the first place... we have enough EPA, Interior Dept, Energy Dept... useless bureaucrats wasting our taxpayer money... WASTE... The feds own 30% of the land in the USA...... why???? Sell it and reduce the debt...


15 posted on 04/07/2014 7:07:44 AM PDT by zzwhale
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To: Enlightened1
The Feds need to be stripped of their Forest and Grassland acreage. 5% to the State per annum would be a good start.

Or they could sell it off to pay the National Debt.

16 posted on 04/07/2014 7:07:50 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jameslalor

“No, in 1993 the BLM closed the land to grazing in order to protect the habitat. Prior to 1993 ranchers could pay fees in exchange for grazing rights. This rancher just kept running his cattle on the land.”

An almost identical scenario played out here in the Gila National Forest a number of years ago. Kit Lanney owned the Diamond Bar Ranch and it’s accompanying grazing allotments when the FS decided they wanted the allotments closed due to the gang-greens. He and his wife held out and had support from fellow ranchers, and were despised by all the newly immigrated enviro-nazis. The Diamond Bar ultimately lost the allotment.

I admire these folks for making a stand and not giving in to what ultimately amounts to Agenda 21 and Dave Forman’s ‘corridor projects’. With 10’s of thousands of farmers out of work in California (and many more to come), it surprises me that there are not at least a few of them willing to irrigate their crops, minnow be damned.


17 posted on 04/07/2014 7:10:20 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Enlightened1; jazusamo; george76
Ping.

Not only is the rancher kept off these public lands, but everyone his. I and my crew HAD bird surveys in the Gold Butte area (including the Virgin River area all the way to Overton) but access has been denied by the Feds. This is a huge area of public lands: and NO ONE is allowed on it now!

The USSA is now a police state.

18 posted on 04/07/2014 7:12:50 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Paladin2
Or they could sell it off to pay the National Debt.

You don't expect the federal govt. to do anything rational do you?

19 posted on 04/07/2014 7:29:08 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Enlightened1

Our government has become predatory


20 posted on 04/07/2014 7:30:12 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: jameslalor

We all own it. It is ours.


21 posted on 04/07/2014 7:30:38 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Flycatcher

“and NO ONE is allowed on it now!”

No, SOME people are allowed in. You just have to be ‘special’: a government worker or a wildlife biologist. They closed areas of the Gila River for Willow Flycatcher studies. They closed area of the forest to logging and thinning operations to ‘save’ the spotted owl and now those areas burnt completely to the ground. They plan to close a huge area of the NM Bootheel to ‘study’ the possibility of Jaguars returning (they literally studied one to death a few years ago by repeatedly shooting it with tranquilizers to ‘study’ it). Areas are being closed off to drilling and mining to ‘save’ variations of wild chickens. Farming has been shut down for our nation’s supply of vegetables to ‘save’ a minnow.

The Gang Greens have control of the US departments tasked with overseeing production of our food supply and energy needs and they use minnows, birds, and any other critter to retain control as our overlords. They shut us down one ranch, one farm, one mine, one oil well at a time.


22 posted on 04/07/2014 7:32:47 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: yldstrk
"We all own it. It is ours."

The Federal Lands are for social Just-Us; as proven during the most recent gov't "shutdown".

23 posted on 04/07/2014 7:33:45 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Carthego delenda est
"they literally studied one to death a few years ago by repeatedly shooting it with tranquilizers to ‘study’ it"

Just like the recent EPA Human studies of breathing Diesel fumes at high concentrations (the study sounded like torture to me - and not just torture of the data).

24 posted on 04/07/2014 7:36:09 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: taxcontrol

Yes, and was fined a little under $200 bucks for a one-time violation.

However, the federal government was fined over $4 million bucks for violations of his rights and the law.


25 posted on 04/07/2014 7:36:43 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: taxcontrol

If this was from the case from the Fox News Special Report.


26 posted on 04/07/2014 7:37:52 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Carthego delenda est
Great post. Bump!

And I'm a field biologist!

27 posted on 04/07/2014 7:50:57 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: tiki

And hire more Cattle Guards to stand out there and make sure the cows don’t go where they’re not wanted. /s


28 posted on 04/07/2014 8:22:44 AM PDT by Portcall24 (aer)
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To: Flycatcher

The fascists have been working towards closing public lands for years and it seems they’ve arrived at their goal, at least in some areas. It won’t be long until they’ll do it at will everywhere.

A purge of these sorry people in government departments starting at the top is needed soon, like in now.

Thanks for that info and the ping.


29 posted on 04/07/2014 8:32:47 AM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: jameslalor

Your description is an easterner’s simplified version of many of these events in the west.

In the west, there is indeed split-estate property. One of the estates split from others is water.

In Nevada, there clear, unequivocal water rights law controlled by the state. Many ranchers, especially in the southern part of the state, have long-held water rights to streams and springs that are on public land. These rights are now quite valuable.

Before the Taylor Grazing Act, the graziers held rights to the springs for watering cattle/sheep and an area of meadow around such springs and creeks for a small distance around them. Those rights are still recorded on the books in Nevada, and the water rights are absolutely recorded by the State Engineer’s office.

There’s a wrinkle tho: In Nevada, you have to “use it or lose it” with regards to most water rights, both surface and drilled. If you don’t use your water rights at least one year out of every five, you run the risk of losing your water rights, which then revert to ownership by the state.

The BLM has been using the tactic of using “grazing conditions” (which most city slickers wouldn’t know one stick of grass from another, yet they want to propound long and loud about grazing issues) to suspend grazing on an area where the BLM would like to apply for the water. The BLM knows that all they need to do is suspend the grazing for six years, then protest to the State Engineer’s office on the lack of beneficial use of the water, then there’s a hearing in Carson and the water is removed from the rancher’s control.

The water is the private property here, and is infinitely more valuable than the grazing rights. The law of beneficial use in Nevada is what is being used against the rancher by the BLM (and USFS) to gain control over the water.


30 posted on 04/07/2014 9:42:25 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

+1. As usual good summary from you.


31 posted on 04/07/2014 9:48:39 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Enlightened1

These people are incredibly brave. When you buck the US govt the response is swift and scary. I am very worried that those folks are going to get killed.


32 posted on 04/07/2014 9:54:57 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Flycatcher

The goals of UN Agenda 21 are being enforced.

Sad.

Stay well.


33 posted on 04/07/2014 3:56:40 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Enlightened1
Saw they arrested his son yesterday, “He was there to do some filming when about 11 federal agents pulled up and arrested him,” Bundy told News 3. “They said he was outside of the First Amendment area and they took him down. We don't know where he is now.”

The BLM confirmed the arrest in an emailed statement...

Another link to the story..

http://www.prisonplanet.com/federal-snipers-train-guns-on-family-for-filming-cattle.html

BLM changed his lease by limiting the number of cattle he could run to 150 head, because of a desert tortoise.

34 posted on 04/07/2014 4:11:02 PM PDT by wyokostur
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To: wyokostur

Another link..

http://www.prisonplanet.com/armed-feds-prepare-for-showdown-with-nevada-cattle-rancher.html


35 posted on 04/07/2014 4:12:48 PM PDT by wyokostur
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To: wyokostur

“They said he was outside of the First Amendment area and they took him down.”

I’m speechless.


36 posted on 04/08/2014 8:14:56 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Flycatcher
Not only is the rancher kept off these public lands, but everyone his. I and my crew HAD bird surveys in the Gold Butte area (including the Virgin River area all the way to Overton) but access has been denied by the Feds. This is a huge area of public lands: and NO ONE is allowed on it now!

Willow flycatchers?

37 posted on 04/08/2014 8:22:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare is Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: wyokostur

The SWAT Teams would have made excellent members of the SS. Unfortunately, they might as well be the SS since the outcome will be the same for this poor AMERICAN family. The Government is not our friend.


38 posted on 04/08/2014 8:22:38 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Enlightened1

The sad part of all this is they can protect the tortoise without stealing the man’s property. There is always some way to reach an amicable agreement.

But the government is run by a bunch of armed, jack-booted NAZI thugs. And the article said this went back 20 years. I think that makes Bush I, Clinton and Bush II culpable here in addition to the Obamabastard.


39 posted on 04/08/2014 9:00:05 AM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Willow flycatchers?

We record all birds present (and their breeding status) along the Lower Colorado River, including tributaries such as the Virgin River. But we are to be "extra" vigilant regarding certain "focal" species, which definitely does include the southwestern race (subspecies) of the willow flycatcher (conveniently known as the southwestern willow flycatcher).

Some other focal species include Bell' vireo, summer tanager, Gila woodpecker, gilded flicker, and the southwestern race of the yellow warbler, I believe.

40 posted on 04/08/2014 10:51:32 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: wyokostur

The concept of a First Amendment Zone is an affront to all man and their liberty. This is Orwellian, Soviet stuff. The Soviets could have declared Siberia their ‘First Amendment Zone’ and retorted any time Americans decried lack of Soviet Free Speech.


41 posted on 04/08/2014 12:45:05 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Enlightened1

Let’s just complain to the DOJ, they’re sworn to uphold the Constitution....... /sarc


42 posted on 04/10/2014 4:49:13 AM PDT by high info voter
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