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Skip to comments.Kiev says Russia provokes trouble in eastern Ukraine, just as in Crimea
Posted on 04/07/2014 11:13:40 AM PDT by Dave346
KIEV, Ukraine The Ukrainian government dispatched its highest-level police and security officials to the eastern part of the country Monday in an effort to put down separatist violence described as inspired by Russia and following a script that played out in Crimea.
The plan is to destabilize the situation, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk told an emergency cabinet meeting Monday morning. The plan is for foreign troops to cross the border and seize the countrys territory, which we will not allow.
On Sunday, pro-Russian demonstrations in the eastern cities of Kharkiv, Donetsk and Luhansk that had been orderly the last few weekends turned dangerous when crowds broke off and began to occupy government buildings in the three cities.
Yesterday, a second wave of the Russian Federations special operation against Ukraine started, acting President Oleksandr Turchynov told the nation Monday in a televised address. The goal is to . . . topple Ukrainian authorities, disrupt the elections and to tear our country apart. He charged that enemies of Ukraine are trying to repeat the Crimean scenario, but he vowed that they would not succeed and that an antiterrorist operation will take place against those who took up weapons.
Turchynov said those taking part in the violence were committing a serious crime, and he warned that we will act appropriately and decisively against the criminals.
In Donetsk, a group of people who broke into the regional administration building and spent the night there announced Monday that they were setting up a Donetsk People's Republic. They and others who occupied buildings in Kharkiv were demanding a Crimean-style referendum.
The situation in Kharkiv appeared particularly dangerous after pro-Ukrainians from Kiev reportedly headed to the city early Monday. Fights were breaking out on Kharkivs main square Monday, local reporters said.
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Strong genes versus mom jeans.
Such as Crimea?
The Ukrainians must develop an asymmetrical warfare doctrine immediately. Once Putin’s army moves in, the Ukrainians must brace themselves and kill as many Russians for as long as it takes to get them out of their country. Kill them anyway possible. The price of freedom and independence next to a cruel, backward and benighted emperor will be high. But freedom and independence is possible. Avenge all the wrongs the Soviets and Russians have inflicted on Ukraine anyway you can once the Russians invade.
If there were no Russian troops in Ukraine, would the West allow a referendum just as was had in Serbia’s Kosovo region?
Territorial integrity didn’t matter then as it was majority Albanians voting for sovereignty in Kosovo. If there were majority Russian areas in Eastern Ukraine, the West would not allow a referendum, and would say the total opposite: territorial integtity must be maintained.
And that is why we are in the situation we are in: Kosovo opend up a major can of worms.
And we will continue to have problems until we have a system that is the same for the East and West/ U.S. and Russia -— with no hypocrisy.
What a bunch of hogwash. No sentient being can believe that Russia does anything other than what it wants, Kosovo or not.
The Ukrainians have no worries.....Obama warned Putin again.
Yep. Smart alliance there. Well thought out, and all under control.
“The Ukrainians must develop an asymmetrical warfare doctrine immediately.”
Outside of some of the NGO-financed radicals, that simply isn’t going to happen, and you know it, as well.
The “new” government in Kiev doesn’t represent freedom, like the idea did during the Soviet breakup. That idea of both economic and personal freedoms now lies within Russia, for many.on the table is
So it was hogwash that Kosovo was part of Serbia? No.
So it was hogwash that letting majority Alnbanians in Kosovo have a referendum opened up a can of worms? No.
We created a mess with the Kosovo referendum, and it has come back to bite Europe and the U.S. in the behind.
I have repeatedly stated that.
Either undo the Kosovo referendum, and let it go back to Serbia, or allow the same process for everyone who desires.
If you don’t then you are advocating hypocrisy. PERIOD.
And whatever happened to the U.S. promising to not expand NATO?
“And that is why we are in the situation we are in: Kosovo opend up a major can of worms.”
Kosovo created the animosity, but a lot of other factors have led to the current situation.
Had Obama not been embarrassed by Putin over Syria, and the Obama-led US Government, as well as the OS NGO’s not stepped up the amount of instability in Ukraine as a result, do you think we’d be here now?
Putin is reacting to situations handed to him on a silver platter by the west.
Also the disasters in the Middle East, with Libya and Egypt, basically told the rest of the world that everything this administration touches turns to crap.
If what the US did in Kosovo is wrong, then what Russia did in Ukraine is wrong. If you choose to fabricate bullcrap excuses for Russian behavior, then stop whining about US behavior.
C’mon, just say George Soros.
“Also the disasters in the Middle East, with Libya and Egypt,”
Putin wasn’t happy about being lied to by Obama about Libya.
When Obama threatened to do the same to Syria, Putin put a few ships on the line and said “NYET!”. Obama panicked and backed down.
Then the angry Obama and his drones saw destabilizing Ukraine as a way to “get at” Putin strategically, and now that is back-firing as well.
Now, that incompetence and foreign policy ideology is handing Putin opportunities to settle old scores, on a silver platter.
There was no referendum in Kosovo. That’s just 0buttcrack propaganda.
I, unlike you, will not fabricate excuses for either side.
I desire zero hypocrisy from both sides, that’s all.
Then you have two problems. You are making excuses, and you are a hypocrite.
Got news for ya...
Ukraine was ALREADY destabilized by years of rampant corruption, civil unrest, and economic malaise, and was fat for the taking, a ready-made situation for the OS NGO’s to exploit after the embarrassment to Obama from Syria.
Remember, Russia kicked out the Soros-financed NGO’s a year ago. This has been building for a while.
That’s why the Ukrainian protestors began protesting in the first place. Remember them, the ones that Yanukovych tortured and shot?
Majority Albanaian population in Kosovo left Serbia.
The 2008 declaration of Kosovo was instituted by the Kosovo Assembly by rhe majority Albanian population against the objections by the Serb minority.
It was the second such decleration, the first happening in 1990. It ended the territorial integrity of Serbia. And it has come back to bite Europe and the U.S. in the behind.
Facts. Learn some...
Gosh, that looks close to an excuse.
Ukraine can not resist Russia unless they get help from Nato or the USA. Will Obama put boots on the ground in Kiev? Will Germany or France? That’s the question. Look at the Big picture-—Putin wants eastern Ukraine to make a land bridge to his new territory of Crimea. Without outside help Ukraine has lost before the war starts. Now, trying to grab Western Ukraine would be a reach. Victory there would be hard, and in the end Russia could lose—But, I don’t think thats what Putin has in mind. He’s going to take the western quarter, where lots of Russians live—move more Russians in and make it part of the Russian Federation. They have mines and gas and oil—as well as population he needs. Watch for a terrible bloodly riot where many Russians are killed—then, and only then, will the T-90s roll.
Kosovan independence referendum, 1991
An independence referendum was held in the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija between 26 and 30 September 1991. The dissolved Provinical Assembly had declared the Republic of Kosova a sovereign and independent state on 22 September 1991. Over 99% of voters voted in favour of independence, with a turnout of 87%. The referendum was boycotted by Serbs living in the region, who comprised around 10% of the population.
After Muslim terrorists invade Serbia for years NATO moves in and drives most of the remaining Serbs out then they have a vote. Some referendum.
No, YOU are a hypocrite. And you engage in name-calling, because you want one way for one side and another way for another sideand have no way out of this hypocritical mess you are in.
YOU are the hypocrite, not me.
And YOU are making excuses for Europe.
Now, say that you want no excuses for Europe, the U.S. and Russia. Then say that you want the same standard for both sides.
To: Admin Moderator. Please do something about the personal attacks and the name calling from boy.
"There was one independence referendum in Kosovo in 1991. Its results were recognized by just one UN member, Albania."
To Admin Moderator:
This pro-Muslim poster here seems accusing me of being a Muslim, advocating narco-terrorist propaganda.
Was the 2008 Kosovo referendum a sham IMHO?
Should Serbia have been split up? No.
There, now you can pull the foot out of your big mouth.
To: Admin Moderator. Please do something about this Muslim narco-terrorist propagandist.
An excuse for whom?
Why do you make excuses?
He called you a hypocrite. You reported him to the Mod for that? Then you call him a hypocrite.
Ironically, that’s kinda hypocritical.
Tp: Admin Moderator:
I posted the thread that was entitled “Can the Qur’an be trusted?”
It demolished the reliability of the Qur’an (Koran).
That is PROOF that I am not a Muslim or pro-Muslim. And I am not promoting narco terrorist propaganda., liar.
You, OTOH, have engaged in lies.
You're the one pushing it as a relevant fact.
No, I have a right to respond.
BTW, why are you saying something to me when boy started it?
You called me pro-Muslim. That makes you the lying sack of crap. lol
I pointed out your thin skinned response and the hypocrisy in your statement.
No, I am stating that it OCCURED.
And I put up the thread that was entitled “Can the Qur’an be trusted?” that demolished the reliability of the Qur’an (Koran). No pro-Muslim person would do this, you liar and instigator.
To Admin Moderator:
TigersEye started all of this between us. I never would have. I want this to remain on the issues, not personal, but he and 1rudeboy can’t seem to help themselves. Anyone can follow this back and see that they are agitators.
Either you're a pro-Muzzie agitprop or you're a pro-Russian agitprop. Which is it?
I have proof that I’m not a Muslim, TigersEye. LOL, you liar. I demloished the reliability of the Koran, liar.
This all goes back to post #26 when you spewed lies at the beginning of your post to me: “you Muslim narcoterrorist propagandist”
You dug yourself a big hole there, liar TigersEye.
Creating cover stories for yourself doesn’t prove anything.
Would you two please knock it off. This thread is not about you. Open a thread in the backroom and rip each others eyes out.
I don’t think he’s a muslim. Just misguided, and not very smart.
You don’t get to decide what is releveant or what people get to post here. Get it? Good.
Nor do you get to imply that since I brought it up and since to you (oh great decider) that it must be irrelevant, then I’m either pro-Muzzie or pro-Russsian agitpropist, neither of which you have proven but which you say I must be one of the two. Both of which are lies.
Agaian, Admin Moderator, TigersEye’s lies and personal attacks (Ad homs) need to stop.
Apparently your answer is "I'm not a Muzzie agitprop I'm a Russian agitprop."