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Paleo Pat Pines for Powerful Putin
Patheos ^ | April 7, 2014 | vorjack

Posted on 04/07/2014 12:29:49 PM PDT by EveningStar

Self proclaimed paleo-conservative Pat Buchanan loves him an anti-gay, bear-back ridin’, judo flippin’, ex-KGB operative named Vlad. It’s just about the most absurd thing imaginable, and it’s all under the title “Which Side is God on Now? ...

Everybody in the news has been explaining how this Crimean conflict is not comparable to the last Crimean war. But is seems like Putin is dusting off some of the old propaganda, and Buchanan is buying it...

(Excerpt) Read more at patheos.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: antiamericanslime; buchanan; christianity; demagogue; god; patbuchanan; pitchforkpat; putin; putinisanatheist; russia

1 posted on 04/07/2014 12:29:49 PM PDT by EveningStar
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2 posted on 04/07/2014 12:31:39 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

A lot of conservatives see Putin as the anti-Obama.

He is everything we wish an American President would be: manly, unapologetic, assertive, defiant and decisive. “No leading from behind.”

Not absurd when you stop to think about it. Obama is a metrosexified wimp.


3 posted on 04/07/2014 12:33:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: EveningStar

Youre going to tick off the Paleo Pat lovers on the forum. Just sayin.


4 posted on 04/07/2014 12:35:08 PM PDT by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: goldstategop
They're both tyrants, Putin is just better at it. I find the Putin throne sniffing by some here to be quite nauseating.
5 posted on 04/07/2014 12:35:37 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: goldstategop

Oh, yes . . . it is absurd. Humorous that FReepers have a mancrush on Putin, but if Buchanan does I guess it’s “ok.”


6 posted on 04/07/2014 12:35:50 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: goldstategop
A lot of conservatives see Putin as the anti-Obama.

He is everything we wish an American President would be: manly, unapologetic, assertive, defiant and decisive. “No leading from behind.”

Not absurd when you stop to think about it. Obama is a metrosexified wimp.

That's a shortsighted view. Putin is no friend of Liberty either.
7 posted on 04/07/2014 12:38:13 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: goldstategop

The majority in the Ukraine that are rioting are pro Russian.

Who are we to go against this. Zer0 doesn’t like it because it goes against his Marxist lifestyle.


8 posted on 04/07/2014 12:38:56 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: dirtboy

Hey if Putin humiliating our misleadership to the point they either man up or the American people man up and vote them out of office is what it takes, well, so be it. YAY Putin!

Either way America wins.


9 posted on 04/07/2014 12:43:02 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: goldstategop

Mr. Putin is reasserting Russia’s Christian identity which makes the EU queers and neocon bobble heads queasy.


10 posted on 04/07/2014 12:43:38 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: EveningStar

Always avoid aimless alliteration absent ale.

Old Saxon wisdom.


11 posted on 04/07/2014 12:44:03 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: mac_truck
Mr. Putin is reasserting Russia’s Christian identity

Putin has co-opted the Russian church and to their shame they have gone right along with it.

12 posted on 04/07/2014 12:45:16 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: EveningStar

So the guy who went out of his way to defend Nazis likes Putin. Big surprise.

I loved when Pat was screaming to buy American while driving a Mercedes.


13 posted on 04/07/2014 12:45:23 PM PDT by sakic
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To: goldstategop

“A lot of conservatives see Putin as the anti-Obama.He is everything we wish an American President would be: manly, unapologetic, assertive, defiant and decisive.”

Anybody who believes this to be true lacks a basic understanding of conservatism and historical perspective.

Conservatives despise tyrants.


14 posted on 04/07/2014 12:45:41 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: mac_truck

Who can fault Putin for reestablishing some links with his old KGB vodka-swilling buddies in the Russian Orthodox Church?


15 posted on 04/07/2014 12:49:53 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: EveningStar
Everybody in the news has been explaining how this Crimean conflict is not comparable to the last Crimean war.

When everyone in the Corporate Media agrees on a narrative then you know the opposite is true.

16 posted on 04/07/2014 12:50:43 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: mac_truck

Mr. Putin is reasserting Russia’s Christian identity which makes the EU queers and neocon bobble heads queasy.

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I’m not entirely sold on Putin’s sincerity there. I think he is one of those secular rulers who has the sense to fear provoking the Almighty, however. I’m thinking of men like Cyrus, Pilate, Gamaliel and Constantine. He may be just a cynic, viewing religion as a useful tool of state.

What I do know is that the secular west is at an historical nadir. It is perverse and oppressive, and its influence should be thwarted.

Psalm 2 says it all. It also provides for the ‘kings of the earth’ to back up, adopt some existential humility, and spare their nations judgement.

“Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”

We *might* be seeing that in post-Soviet Russia. We are beset daily with the rampant opposite of that right here, right now.

Time will tell who got it right.


17 posted on 04/07/2014 12:58:18 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: EveningStar

At least Putin is straight forward about being no friend of liberty.


18 posted on 04/07/2014 1:00:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: EveningStar
"Paleo Pat Pines for Powerful Putin"

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.

19 posted on 04/07/2014 1:02:42 PM PDT by preacher (I am not a global warming hoax denier.)
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To: EveningStar; subterfuge; wideawake; KC_Lion
Palaeos don't really believe that G-d objectively exists. For them He is the creation and manifestation of a race/culture/civilization. Pat Buchanan's "gxd" is nothing but a mythical and utilitarian tribal totem for northwest Europeans. As with radical Black "chrstians," racial "brothas" come first. J*sus is the "kinsman redeemer" of Northwestern European Man and chrstians of other ethnicities/cultures are the enemy. Some "one true universal religion," huh?

Pat literally thinks that the survival of G-d depends on the survival of Northwestern Europeans. If Northwestern Europeans become extinct, then G-d will disappear. I have no doubt that Pat's "gxd" would disappear, but the real G-d? Not so much.

No wonder chrstianity's going down the drain. There's a different J*sus for everybody, and they're all enemies of each other.

20 posted on 04/07/2014 1:17:16 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: mac_truck
Mr. Putin is reasserting Russia’s Christian identity which makes the EU queers and neocon bobble heads queasy.

Chrsitan identity . . . now where have I heard that phrase before? Hmm . . .

21 posted on 04/07/2014 1:19:04 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Well, I guess we will see who wants to take your ignorant deflection and run with it.

crackpot


22 posted on 04/07/2014 1:21:55 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr; wideawake; KC_Lion
Well, I guess we will see who wants to take your ignorant deflection and run with it.

crackpot

Well who pissed in your cornflakes? I didn't know you were a "palaeo," but if the shoe fits . . .

I wish conservatives would wake up and see that not all "right wing" religion is actually fundamentalist. And I am above all else a religious fundamentalist.

23 posted on 04/07/2014 1:24:58 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Your post has little to do with the article.

Unless you buy the Putin propaganda that he is the great Christian defender.

And of course you feel the need to make the religion ruse by Putin the focus of the story, when it is power and tyranny.


24 posted on 04/07/2014 1:29:38 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: EveningStar

When’s the wedding?


25 posted on 04/07/2014 1:36:30 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: goldstategop; GeronL
He is everything we wish an American President would be

An Imperial Tsar? Count me out. I'd prefer someone like Reagan.

26 posted on 04/07/2014 1:37:43 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: rbmillerjr
Your post has little to do with the article.

On the contrary, it has everything to do with it.

Unless you buy the Putin propaganda that he is the great Christian defender.

And of course you feel the need to make the religion ruse by Putin the focus of the story, when it is power and tyranny.

Somehow you have interpreted my post in the exact opposite way in which it was intended. I was criticizing Buchanan and the other "palaeos" in the Buchanan fan club for putting European ethnicity ahead of their religious identity. Putin is their hero because he is a European strongman who is going to keep G-d from going "poof" when the rest of European Man becomes extinct (their thinking, not mine).

I was expecting to be dissected as a "gay Jewish neocon" by someone for my post, but not to be attacked by a fellow opponent of Putin (though I'm opposed to Western "progressivism" and homosexualism as well)? That's just crazy.

27 posted on 04/07/2014 1:38:35 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: EveningStar

Yeah. Pat, as they would undoubtedly have said back at Gonzaga College High, leave room for the Holy Spirit between you and Vlad. This is starting to get unseemly.


28 posted on 04/07/2014 1:48:03 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Impy

The Putin Fan Club needs to look past the words to reality

Russia has highest abortion rate and kiddie porn is legal last I checked - pedophile playground


29 posted on 04/07/2014 1:51:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Psalm 144
I agree. Has Putin publicly stated that he wants all of his oligarch buddies to stop running drugs and pimping prostitutes?

Has he publicly scolded them for taking drugs and consorting with prostitutes?

I think not.

He's more a Nietzshean: Christianity is for those poor suckers we rule. The rulers can be hedonists.

30 posted on 04/07/2014 1:56:26 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Zionist Conspirator
One thing that the Paleo's have over the social conservatives and neocons is that they are OK with each nation having its own god based on its own traditions. This may not be "Christian", but it is a workable compromise.

The social conservatives and neocons have the crazy notion that they can bring the One True God to every nation at the barrel of a gun or loaded up on palettes of rice. This only leads to devastating and unnecessary destruction, bloodshed, and the hardening of hearts against the One True God.

31 posted on 04/07/2014 2:01:16 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: goldstategop

Its the same kind of respect that one could say about Pelosi, sure she is a radical and uber liberal, but she fights for her constituents, unlike Boehner, who fights against his constituents.


32 posted on 04/07/2014 2:17:19 PM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I’m undecided. Time will tell.


33 posted on 04/07/2014 2:25:24 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: EveningStar

The Atheist Channel. How cute!


34 posted on 04/07/2014 2:44:37 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Psalm 144
The Atheist Channel. How cute!

Patheos also hosts these channels: Buddhist, Catholic, Evangelical, Hindu, Jewish, Mormon, Muslim, Pagan, Progressive Christian, Spirituality

35 posted on 04/07/2014 3:03:19 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Patheos also hosts these channels: Buddhist, Catholic, Evangelical, Hindu, Jewish, Mormon, Muslim, Pagan, Progressive Christian, Spirituality

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I noticed. A very wide selection. How convenient that the atheist one would be the most contemptuous of any actual Christian sympathies in the arena. Remarkable really.


36 posted on 04/07/2014 3:28:15 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“I was criticizing Buchanan and the other “palaeos” in the Buchanan fan club for putting European ethnicity ahead of their religious identity. Putin is their hero because he is a European strongman who is going to keep G-d from going “poof” when the rest of European Man becomes extinct (their thinking, not mine). “

You know what? After rereading your post to find the flaws in your point, instead, I found that I misinterpreted your post. So, my apologies. I think your last paragraph through me off, but we have mostly agreement here.


37 posted on 04/07/2014 4:20:16 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: subterfuge; EveningStar; onyx; MeganC; wardaddy; Kenny Bunk

“Youre going to tick off the Paleo Pat lovers on the forum. Just sayin”

This blog that EveningStar has posted is sourced from the ‘Atheist Channel’ at patheos.com.

The blog writer ends his piece figuring that Pat Buchanan and ‘the far right’ are motivated by the dislike of homosexuality which they share with Putin.

Is it odd that the Pat haters agree with a pro-gay atheist blog writer? Just sayin’.


38 posted on 04/07/2014 7:36:16 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: rbmillerjr

No kidding


39 posted on 04/07/2014 9:54:35 PM PDT by wardaddy (the real battle is what do we replace America as we knew it with....and will we fight..literally)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Steady, my good man!

The Powerful Putin Pat Pines for is actually against the anti-semitic nationalists in the Ukraine, or so he says. As far as Putin's "Christianity" goes, even Joe Stalin invoked the Russian Orthodox Church (not all that difficult, since the commies actually ran the Orthodox church thing) to inspire the muziki to resist Hitler.

Some "one true universal religion," huh?

Well, the Muslims think it is, or at least they don't care very much which Christian they kill or convert.

Pat considers himself a Western Christian Gentleman. A Crusader, Soldier at the Gates of Vienna, Sailor at Lepanto, perhaps even a priestly Teutonic Knight converting Slavic hordes. A bit tedious perhaps, but annoying as it may be to you, Western Civilization in its higher aspects from which we all benefit is sort of you know, like ... well ... for occasionally better and sometimes worse ...Christian... or says it is ... or used to be.

Oddly enough, ZC, the aforementioned Muslims often and still call Israel the "Crusader Kingdom."

40 posted on 04/08/2014 10:32:04 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is very sick . Hold all contributions until we see who picks up the patient..)
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To: Pelham; subterfuge; EveningStar; onyx; MeganC; wardaddy
Relax-o-ping.

Pat is merely attempting to channel GK Chesterton. Don't hold it against him that he, under sis Birch's management, managed to cream multi millions out of his "Presidential Campaign," with the redoubtable Ms. Lola Fulani as his "running mate."

Also, when the weaker-witted folks among us who collect political player cards choose the one they want, whom might they tend to select: The Gay from Somewhere Else Disbarred Attorney Community Organizer in the Mom Jeans on the Girl Bike with the Helmet, or the winner of the USSR "Quien es Mas Macho" contest? Yo. Ya want Putin? Or the Pansy?

You tell me. BTW, Pat once cold-cocked a VA State Trooper. How friggin' macho is that?

41 posted on 04/08/2014 10:43:55 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is very sick . Hold all contributions until we see who picks up the patient..)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Pat considers himself a Western Christian Gentleman. A Crusader, Soldier at the Gates of Vienna, Sailor at Lepanto, perhaps even a priestly Teutonic Knight converting Slavic hordes. A bit tedious perhaps, but annoying as it may be to you, Western Civilization in its higher aspects from which we all benefit is sort of you know, like ... well ... for occasionally better and sometimes worse ...Christian... or says it is ... or used to be.

The point I'm getting at is that to Buchanan, chrstianity is the European race(s). Period. End of discussion. It was created by European genes and chromosomes and will disappear if they do. Non-European chrstians aren't chrstians at all, and neither were the pre-Constantinian chrstians, since they had not yet created "western civilization."

This is henotheism, plain and simple--a thoroughly pagan and polytheistic outlook.

I'm not Jewish, you know. Just a Bible Belt redneck (who has been a Noachide for over 23 years). All the aforementioned things you mentioned are totally alien to the Bible Belt milieu. Ancient Biblical Israel is the only (lehavdil!) "chrstendom" we have ever known or wish to know.

42 posted on 04/08/2014 11:44:12 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

” BTW, Pat once cold-cocked a VA State Trooper. How friggin’ macho is that?”

Was it a fair fight? And did Pat end up in the calaboose?


43 posted on 04/08/2014 12:01:43 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: EveningStar
Thank you. Just because Obama is a weasel about stealing freedom doesn't mean that Putin is great for just punching people in the face when he enslaves them.

Would you rather lose your wallet to a pickpocket or a mugger? Or would you say: "That's a dilemma for an idiot. I want to keep my wallet."

44 posted on 04/08/2014 8:30:40 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Pelham
Was it a fair fight? And did Pat end up in the calaboose?

Pel, Pat's nickname during our jeunesse dorée was "The Cold-Cocker." If he didn't like your tie, or thought the girl you took to a party was too good-looking for you... No warning...WHAM-O!

The Statie found this out the hard way as he was writing Pat a ticket. IIRC, he did spend a night in the hoosegow. I reckon that at the time, Pat was perhaps not the consummate product of Western Christian Civilization he is today.

45 posted on 04/09/2014 7:36:18 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is very sick . Hold all contributions until we see who picks up the patient..)
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To: Kenny Bunk

He was a work in progress, lol. What did your offending tie look like, anyway? Paisley?


46 posted on 04/09/2014 10:17:07 AM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Pelham
offending tie... paisley?

Nah. The Cold-Cocker, traditionalist that he was even then, took particular exception to fellows sporting the then-popular Regimental Ties.

You weren't in the 4th Punjabi Sanitary Corps, you bloody impostor ....POW!

47 posted on 04/10/2014 12:06:49 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is very sick . Hold all contributions until we see who picks up the patient..)
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To: goldstategop

“He is everything we wish an American President would be: manly...”

So much homoeroticism. What we need is a constitutionalist moral person, not some squat Napoleon complex ex commie dictator wannabe bully who will eventually responsible for murder of hundreds of thousands of his own fellow countrymen.


48 posted on 05/06/2014 5:00:52 PM PDT by sagar
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