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Vas deferens—refuting ‘bad design’ arguments
Creation Ministries International ^ | Posted April 2014 | E. van Niekerk

Posted on 04/07/2014 1:11:34 PM PDT by fishtank

Vas deferens—refuting ‘bad design’ arguments E. van Niekerk

The vas deferens is an important part of the male reproductive system. However, some anti-creationists have recently criticized its route for being too indirect, thus something which no engineer would design. However, anatomists have already given good reasons for this structure, including the increased flexibility of the testes to move toward and way from the body to regulate temperature. Critics have also overlooked engineering considerations, providing enough length to build up power and to mix the essential ingredients of semen, and to avoid ‘ovalling’ (kinking in a soft pipe when bending).

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1 posted on 04/07/2014 1:11:35 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

Dude. TMI.


2 posted on 04/07/2014 1:12:47 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: fishtank

Yet another example of complete misunderstanding of stochastic processes.

TToE does not say that every process leads to the “best” result — it just has to effective.

But never get in the way of a good straw man.


3 posted on 04/07/2014 1:15:42 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: fishtank

Dude, I’d rather vacation in the far flung
Isles of Langerhans!


4 posted on 04/07/2014 1:15:51 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: fishtank

Viva la deferens?


5 posted on 04/07/2014 1:19:40 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: fishtank

Old joke:

Three freshman engineering students were sitting around talking between classes, when one brought up the question of who designed the human body.

One of the students insisted that the human body must have been designed by an electrical engineer because of the perfection of the nerves and synapses.

Another disagreed, and exclaimed that it had to have been a mechanical engineer who designed the human body. The system of levers and pulleys is ingenious.

“No,” the third student said “you’re both wrong. The human body was designed by an architect. Who else but an architect would have put a toxic waste line through a recreation area?”


6 posted on 04/07/2014 1:20:09 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: fishtank

What deferens does it make?.....................


7 posted on 04/07/2014 1:21:21 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: freedumb2003

Where did TToE come from?


8 posted on 04/07/2014 1:22:45 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: fishtank

Breaking news? Really?


9 posted on 04/07/2014 1:22:48 PM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: fishtank

Must be a slow news day. When we are reduced to commenting on the Vas deferens; it just must be a slow news day.


10 posted on 04/07/2014 1:22:51 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: tet68

Short vacations to the Pineal are good ... but retirement to the amygdala is best.


11 posted on 04/07/2014 1:23:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

That wasn’t my decision.... once it posts, I don’t know how it gets routed.


12 posted on 04/07/2014 1:23:59 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: cuban leaf

Really, they are going to criticize my Creator for THAT too?


13 posted on 04/07/2014 1:24:21 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cuban leaf

Perhaps some eyewash on this thread would kill the imagery.


14 posted on 04/07/2014 1:24:21 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: fishtank

“flexibility of the testes to move toward and way from the body to regulate temperature. “

For my two cents worth, it was bad engineering to require the testes to be exposed. Why not design to accommodate a more protected area.


15 posted on 04/07/2014 1:25:08 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: MHGinTN

I’ve always wanted to go, I hear they are nice
this time of year and the rates are good.


16 posted on 04/07/2014 1:25:25 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Talisker

>>Where did TToE come from?<<
200+ years of science.


17 posted on 04/07/2014 1:26:26 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The way I heard it, the third student names a civil engineer as the culprit.


18 posted on 04/07/2014 1:27:06 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: TexasGator

It’s actually a learned response, Sumo wrestlers
do it.


19 posted on 04/07/2014 1:27:29 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: fishtank

If we’re gonna start talking bad design let’s go to sinuses, knees, and spines. And remember poorly functioning parts actually backs evolution, which is an iterative process and presupposes that most of the body could be better.


20 posted on 04/07/2014 1:28:05 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: cuban leaf

Dude. TMI.

********

There. You put it in a nutshell.


21 posted on 04/07/2014 1:28:38 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: TexasGator
For my two cents worth, it was bad engineering to require the testes to be exposed. Why not design to accommodate a more protected area.

You are not taking into account meta design requirements. Specifically, easy female access to an instantly debilitating vulnerability in a significantly physically stronger partner.

I read a discussion once about a woman choosing a 22 for self-defense because of it's size, lack of recoil, etc. In response to critics deriding her for not having a "real" gun, she said she regularly silenced them by simply pointing out that in a survival situation, she intended to shoot for the balls.

22 posted on 04/07/2014 1:29:09 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Don’t be so testy.


23 posted on 04/07/2014 1:29:11 PM PDT by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: fishtank

It takes balls to write an article like this!


24 posted on 04/07/2014 1:29:33 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Talisker

Name one person who wants to be shot with a .22.

The only self-defense downside of the .22 is it takes too long for the target to bleed out.


25 posted on 04/07/2014 1:31:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: fishtank

Bad design. A man with 10 million sperm is infertile. Why design a system that has 10 million sperm and can’t get one to the egg!


26 posted on 04/07/2014 1:31:56 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: SoCal Pubbie

And if I had ever experienced it to not work properly, I might see his point.


27 posted on 04/07/2014 1:38:45 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TexasGator

Why? To encourage hard work and commitment.


28 posted on 04/07/2014 1:39:24 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: fishtank

In my case, stuff gotta move real far before coming out.

Trust me.


29 posted on 04/07/2014 1:39:56 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Because women won’t get close to you?


30 posted on 04/07/2014 1:41:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
The only self-defense downside of the .22 is it takes too long for the target to bleed out.

Well you don't use the same strategy for a 22 as for a larger caliber. And that was my point - women don't use the same fighting strategy as men, and that's why, IMHO, things hang outside of a guy. God didn't make a mistake - He leveled the playing field.

Actually, the longer I know women, the more I think He made men the underdogs.

31 posted on 04/07/2014 1:49:24 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: fishtank

No such thing as an anti-creationist. 99% of the people you are talking about ignore your issue completely.


32 posted on 04/07/2014 1:50:45 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Red Badger
What deferens does it make?

Get in my lock box!!!

33 posted on 04/07/2014 1:51:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Charles Martel

That’s how I heard it too — but, I only remembered the punch line, so I looked it up. I posted the first version I found on-line.


34 posted on 04/07/2014 1:51:29 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: freedumb2003

Why mix waste with reproduction? Why not two separate delivery systems?


35 posted on 04/07/2014 1:52:47 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DManA

Just my casual impression that in the past every story about graphene was a story about IBM research. Then out of the blue ( to me ) Samsung starts prototype production of a product.


36 posted on 04/07/2014 1:53:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: freedumb2003

Yep. Creation “science” never tires of destroying straw men.

“So Jones himself displays ignorance of Darwinian evolution’s non-goal-directedness/purposelessness.”

I have tried correcting this fundamental misstatement of the theory of evolution so often it’s become tiresome. There is nothing random about mutations passed on to descendents. The changes are either neutral and thus carried on by chance or they benefit the creatures ability to survive. The second instance is the central mechanism of evolution. Best is normative and has nothing to do it. Survival of the “best” got us eugenics and all sorts of nightmares but is fundamentally unscientific.


37 posted on 04/07/2014 1:54:18 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: freedumb2003

Why do you give credence to peri-scientific disputes about theology?

This is a theological debate wherein limited understandings of science are used as a vehicle between those who oppose belief in a creator and those who believe in a creator.


38 posted on 04/07/2014 2:00:10 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: fishtank

Biologically speaking, there is a vas deferens between a man and a woman.


39 posted on 04/07/2014 2:10:30 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: edpc
Biologically speaking, there is a vas deferens between a man and a woman.

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is your winner of the 2014 Golden Diaphragm Award for Reproductive Humor.


40 posted on 04/07/2014 2:12:45 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JimSEA

>>I have tried correcting this fundamental misstatement of the theory of evolution so often it’s become tiresome. <<

As I stated in my opening post — it is called “stochastic” and is wholly ignored when Creationists define their version of TToE.

This entire article ignores that fundamental principle in TToE.


41 posted on 04/07/2014 2:14:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: TigersEye

That picture is enough to make the whole package shrink right up into my ribcage ...


42 posted on 04/07/2014 2:14:56 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: freedumb2003

Two other maddening straw men often used in creationist argument are “transitional fossils” and “micro vs macro evolution”. I could win lots of arguments if permitted to make both sides.


43 posted on 04/07/2014 2:19:50 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: driftdiver

Most woman won’t get within ten feet of me. My wife included!


44 posted on 04/07/2014 2:19:55 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: TexasGator

they’d have to be in the lungs in order for the proper airflow to be achieved otherwise.


45 posted on 04/07/2014 2:20:27 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: fishtank


46 posted on 04/07/2014 2:27:09 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: RitchieAprile

“they’d have to be in the lungs in order for the proper airflow to be achieved otherwise.”

A good design would not need airflow!


47 posted on 04/07/2014 2:29:10 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Talisker

“You are not taking into account meta design requirements. Specifically, easy female access to an instantly debilitating vulnerability in a significantly physically stronger partner.”

Why design the women to be weaker. Another design flaw.


48 posted on 04/07/2014 2:31:15 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: DManA

“Just my casual impression that in the past every story about graphene was a story about IBM research. Then out of the blue ( to me ) Samsung starts prototype production of a product.”

Graphene testicles?


49 posted on 04/07/2014 2:36:34 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Sexual dimorphism is no design/evolutionary flaw — it’s actually a feature, which maximizes efficient use of resources. Men are the “disposable sex”. They need to be big enough for hunting, and for fighting other men.Nearly all men can die, and the population will snap back — provided that the women have been protected. Women just need to be big enough for reproduction, and other light work. For nearly all of the (fill in number of years since the appearance of humans here) resources were scarce, for nearly everyone, nearly everywhere. It makes perfect design sense (or evolutionary sense) to make each sex just big enough to do what they were designed/evolved to do. Sexual dimorphism appears in every species utilizing sexual reproduction.


50 posted on 04/07/2014 3:02:37 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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