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Marijuana Emerges as Issue That Blurs Conservative, Liberal Lines
Newsmax.com ^ | April 7, 2014 | Joe Battaglia

Posted on 04/07/2014 6:07:55 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The debate over legalizing marijuana for medical and even recreational purposes is blurring conservative and liberal lines.

With polls showing a slight majority of Americans now supporting the legalization of the drug, especially younger voters, and billionaire campaign financiers such as George Soros funding the pro-pot movement, a number of candidates are finding themselves at odds with their own party's positions.

Ari Fleischer, a White House press secretary for President George W. Bush, called marijuana "a sleeper issue," in the upcoming campaign and noted its trickiness, telling The Wall Street Journal, "All of a sudden the ground is shifting, and it's uncomfortable and complicated. Marijuana has become an issue that candidates have got to pay attention to."

Attention is on Maryland, where the state House of Delegates voted April 5 to decriminalize possession of small amounts of pot. That leaves Democratic Gov. Martin O'Malley, the onetime tough-on-crime mayor of Baltimore, with a difficult decision.

O'Malley has said he is "not much in favor" of legalizing marijuana for recreational use, and called the drug "a gateway to even more harmful behavior," according to The Washington Post.

O'Malley is not alone in bucking the push by Democratic activists to follow the leads of Colorado and Washington in approving recreational marijuana use.

According to The New York Times, California Gov. Jerry Brown has said his state "ought to kind of watch and see how things go in Colorado" before approving a similar measure. Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy, meanwhile, said of his state: "Quite frankly, I don’t think we are ready, or want to go down that road."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Connecticut; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: dannelmalloy; decriminalization; dontbogartthatjoing; jerrybrown; legalization; marijuana; martinomalley; nannystate
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1 posted on 04/07/2014 6:07:55 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; Alia; altura; ...

Don’t Bogart That Joint Nanny State PING!


2 posted on 04/07/2014 6:08:25 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If legalizing pot is the only reason someone will vote for one that doesn’t say much about the pro-pot legalization advocates.
So when the Democrat platform includes pot legalization along with big govt goodies and free stuff that says to me the pro-pot advocates don’t want Constitutional based govt.


3 posted on 04/07/2014 6:18:40 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I am completely in favor of legalizing pot.

The people who want to smoke it are smoking it NOW.


4 posted on 04/07/2014 6:21:17 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Some of us would rather put up with legal dope smokers than the steady erosion of out rights.


5 posted on 04/07/2014 6:22:29 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
and called the drug "a gateway to even more harmful behavior,"

You mean they might become politicians?

6 posted on 04/07/2014 6:24:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This does not blur lines but clarifies them.

It splits Libertarians from Conservatives and joins them with Liberals.

And it splits populist conservative Democrats from Mainstream Democrats.

It maybe that in several states regular Republicans and populist conservative Democrats are no longer a majority.


7 posted on 04/07/2014 6:25:07 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Marijuana destroys people as any other drug. The very liberals who advocate it want no smoking for cigarettes. Have you ever smelled marijuana? A neighbor of mine has used it from time to time and stinks ups the area. Marijuana stops your ability to focus. You mind wanders. In short you become a pothead, the perfect democrat voter.

Ask yourself why George Soros is buying off politicians to get marijuana legalized?


8 posted on 04/07/2014 6:34:18 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I believe I had my first experience with a medical marijuana user the other day. I am, of course, making an assumption -- I do not know this to be the case.

She was probably 70. In a supermarket, buying groceries. She positively REEKED of the weed. And the cashier had a terrible time with her: very confused. Had a hard time understanding how wallets worked. Hard time understanding how to put change in her pocket. A few minutes later, I saw her in the parking lot. I'm pretty sure she couldn't find her car.

I made sure I exited the lot quickly, before she put herself on the road.

9 posted on 04/07/2014 6:35:51 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s liberal, there are no lines being blurred


10 posted on 04/07/2014 6:40:01 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: RginTN

If pro life is the only issue that someone will or wont vote for someone, what does that say about the movement?

Single issue voters are idiots. They are the lowest form of low information voter. They come in all different brands and don’t necessarily reflect their cause.


11 posted on 04/07/2014 6:52:20 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: dfwgator

So marihuana (schedule 1) is a gateway drug to the use of more harmful drugs like cocaine and heroin (schedule 2) which can be prescribed.
That doesn’t add up.
But seriously, I would rather put up with the repeal of prohibition than the continued ramping up of militarizing local police and strengthening the infrastructure of the police state.


12 posted on 04/07/2014 6:53:54 PM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: drunknsage

If pro life is the only issue that someone will or wont vote for someone, what does that say about the movement?

Single issue voters are idiots. They are the lowest form of low information voter. They come in all different brands and don’t necessarily reflect their cause.


Know what I was gonna disagree about the pro-life part but upon further thought you’re right, single issue voters are idiots.


13 posted on 04/07/2014 7:00:42 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There’s no “blur.” It’s liberal and goes against the very meaning of the word, conservative.


14 posted on 04/07/2014 7:02:44 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This nation never learned its lesson from alcohol prohibition. Marijuana was “legal” for much of the country’s history. “Freedom” is often a very messy thing. It is better to be a free people than a chained peasantry. Smoke “pot”, if you wish. Indeed, shoot your veins full of heroin, snort coke, smoke crack. But, do it in the privacy of your own home. Have an insurance policy that will pay for the removal of your lifeless carcass if and when you die from the results of your free choices. In time, those who partake will die off and those who looked on to see what would happen to the partakers will decide to shun the stuff. The gene pool will be cleansed and freedom will be codified.


15 posted on 04/07/2014 7:12:21 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: familyop; Eric Blair 2084
It’s liberal and goes against the very meaning of the word, conservative.

YOU VILL NOT SMOKE ZE VEED!

16 posted on 04/07/2014 7:14:19 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: RginTN

“Single issue voters are idiots.”

Really.

Suppose the single issue were more or less government control of [fill in the blank].

Or repealing/amending any part of the Bill of Rights.

Or legalizing pedophilia.

Or increasing taxes by 25%.

Or institutionalizing Common Core.

And the list could go on.


17 posted on 04/07/2014 7:19:18 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Thumper1960
"But, do it in the privacy of your own home.

That can happen whether it's legal or not.

Society doesn't have to officially approve of that kind of behavior.
18 posted on 04/07/2014 7:38:30 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: Mach9; RginTN

Single issue voters are still as stupid as the political folks pushing for evil laws and policies. The scare tactic of provoking votes with panic and hysteria is the most common political and marketing tactic in use by stoned political/regulator folks now. The wise will notice that the money for doing any kind of wrong is about to dry up. Moral bankruptcy and its consequences are nothing new, but stupid people are a little shy of honest perspectives of history, too.


19 posted on 04/07/2014 7:44:30 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


20 posted on 04/07/2014 7:55:28 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


21 posted on 04/07/2014 8:03:17 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: indthkr

“Whose” society?

Their society or the society the Founders envisioned and intended?


22 posted on 04/07/2014 8:04:39 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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Well I done neither alcohol nor Mj for many years, IMO alcohol is more dangerous and causes more problems. People with addictive personalities will destroy themselves with whatever is available.

Same as with Guns people are the problem not the thing.


23 posted on 04/07/2014 8:07:26 PM PDT by Leto
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is just another push to ban guns. You use pot ONCE, you and your entire household become prohibited persons, unable to buy a gun from a federal firearms dealer, and if the JBT’s ever find out you do have a gun, woe be unto you and your house.


24 posted on 04/07/2014 8:12:55 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

no it doesn’t. It may blur the line for libertarians but no conservative is of legalizing yet another mid altering substance that reeks havoc on the lives of families.


25 posted on 04/07/2014 8:17:59 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Another is anything sexual except abnormal homosexuality.


26 posted on 04/07/2014 8:20:12 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: dfwgator
"and called the drug "a gateway to even more harmful behavior,"

Like smoking...tobacco!

Damn, people, can't we get it through our heads that smoking is bad?

Um, I mean except for smoking MJ.

Good for the lungs and all...

Oh YEAH? MY leaves are awesome! YOUR leaves are bad!

We'll crucify you for smoking YOUR leaves.

MY leaves?

That's to be celebrated and accommodated.

27 posted on 04/07/2014 8:21:29 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: drunknsage

“Single issue voters are idiots.”

It may be a single issue but some people see it differently and and take it more seriously than the others who just like to misrepresent and ridicule.

Enforcement of drug laws has effectively destroyed huge segments of the African American community. Jail time for simple possession has destroyed countless lives. The same with mandatory minimum sentencing. Prison time condemns young black men to a fairly bleak future. Nobody wants to hire a felon regardless of the crime. Most never rise out of it. They end up unemployed and on welfare. Or a criminal. By the millions. For the rest of their lives.

The WOD has cost over a Trillion dollars. That doesn’t take into account what it has done to the black community. So what is the cost to society for that?


28 posted on 04/07/2014 8:21:45 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: drunknsage

Boy that alcohol really expands your mind, eh?

For the record, I favor decriminalization of marijuana, not legalization. However you cannot compare voters who won’t vote for politicians who support infanticide and legalized murder to voters who won’t vote for politicians who will not legalize all drugs.

One of those issues is a bit more important in the grand scheme of things. Too bad you can’t see the difference.


29 posted on 04/07/2014 8:41:50 PM PDT by two134711
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30 posted on 04/07/2014 8:57:27 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
And the cashier had a terrible time with her: very confused. Had a hard time understanding how wallets worked. Hard time understanding how to put change in her pocket. A few minutes later, I saw her in the parking lot. I'm pretty sure she couldn't find her car.

I am dealing with an Alzheimer's patient who is exactly like that. What you describe are symptoms of dementia, not marijuana use.

31 posted on 04/07/2014 9:02:09 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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32 posted on 04/07/2014 9:03:41 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: steve86
Well, you could be right.

Of course, there was the reek of marijuana.
And I do remember college -- as I watched her, she sure seemed stoned.

33 posted on 04/07/2014 9:09:16 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: bigheadfred
"I am completely in favor of legalizing pot.

The people who want to smoke it are smoking it NOW".

Fred's got it figured out.

It's not like somebody who wants it can't find it. It's about whether the person who uses it oges to jail.

And it's about whether we want a SWAT team in every little township in America looking to increase their take.

34 posted on 04/07/2014 9:11:02 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Thumper1960; All
"In time, those who partake will die off
and those who looked on to see what would happen
to the partakers will decide to shun the stuff.
The gene pool will be cleansed
and freedom will be codified."


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35 posted on 04/07/2014 9:15:19 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: ClearCase_guy

You could be right that she was using medical marijuana for pain management or other medical problem. It won’t do anything for Alzheimers, but co-existing conditions such as joint pain or what have you certainly could be alleviated with marijuana.


36 posted on 04/07/2014 9:19:15 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Thumper1960
I doubt all the Founders were in agreement when it came down to personal habits, or other minutia of everyday life.

In the case of Jefferson however, he eschewed tobacco use as well as the consumption of hard liquor. As an amature scientist who prided himself on crisp thinking, he would have certainly considered people who used mind altering substances for mind altering purposes to be complete and total losers - not part of the society that he envisioned.
37 posted on 04/07/2014 9:19:34 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
blurring

Oh wow < / humor >

38 posted on 04/07/2014 9:22:49 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: indthkr

Do you think the Founders would approve of fedgov using the Commerce Clause to trample the Tenth Amendment and impose nationwide prohibition on marijuana?


39 posted on 04/07/2014 9:47:11 PM PDT by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Ken H
"using the Commerce Clause to ......impose nationwide prohibition on marijuana?"

I suspect that the Founders would not be pleased that the those types of steps would be necessary for the US to avoid becoming a nation of losers.
40 posted on 04/07/2014 10:08:05 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: steve86
That may be true, but if she's high she hopefully wasn't driving herself home.

Same rule for a severe Alzheimer's patient, or someone drunk.

41 posted on 04/07/2014 10:23:30 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

IMO if booze is legal and taxed, pot should be, too. BUT, let anyone grow it instead of only those big corporations with political connections.


42 posted on 04/07/2014 10:26:41 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: indthkr

“Society doesn’t have to officially approve of that kind of behavior.”

We don’t need a militarized police force kicking in people’s doors over it either.


43 posted on 04/07/2014 10:49:21 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: indthkr
I suspect that the Founders would not be pleased that the those types of steps would be necessary for the US to avoid becoming a nation of losers.

So you think the Founders would have walked all over the Constitution so we could have a Drug War?

44 posted on 04/07/2014 10:50:56 PM PDT by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Ken H
"walked all over the Constitution"

A bit dramatic, don't you think? Or did a Soros group pay you a little bit extra to add that flourish


45 posted on 04/07/2014 11:24:51 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: indthkr

Jefferson did love French wines and Madeiras.
Still, prohibitions, taken to extremes, have unintended consequences.


46 posted on 04/08/2014 1:43:52 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If you are a real conservative, the line sharpens. This one separates “moderates” from conservatives....clearly.


47 posted on 04/08/2014 4:43:45 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Thumper1960
"Still, prohibitions, taken to extremes, have unintended consequences."

I would agree that something like imprisonment for simple possession would be extreme, especially in one's home or property.
48 posted on 04/08/2014 7:35:48 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Being concerned about the steady erosion of our rights is a very noble concern.

But if I could show you 10 ways that legal marijuana would dramatically increase and destroy the rights we have and the freedom and security we enjoy, would you still put up legal dope smokers?


49 posted on 04/08/2014 7:48:00 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I am willing to listen, but call me a skeptic. For well over 100 years there were no laws concerning use of recreational drugs. Are you going to argue that the people were LESS free before they criminalized drugs?


50 posted on 04/08/2014 9:40:11 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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