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Russian lawmakers approve bill making Holocaust denial illegal
Jerusalem Post ^ | 04/08/2014 | Jerusalem Post

Posted on 04/07/2014 6:26:48 PM PDT by goldstategop

Russian lawmakers approve bill making Holocaust denial illegal

Russian lawmakers approved a bill that would make Holocaust denial illegal.

The lower house of the Russian Parliament, or Duma, passed the measure Friday on its first reading, the Voice of Russia reported Monday, making it illegal to deny the verdict of the Nuremberg Tribunal and punishing the “rehabilitation of Nazism.” Those found guilty of the crime could be fined up to $8,300 or imprisoned up to three years. Public officials or media personalities would be fined nearly double or face up to five years in prison.

The bill also needs the approval of the Federation Council, or upper house. It was authored five years ago and resubmitted in February.

“Rehabilitation of Nazism is not only a shot fired at the past and mocking millions of victims,” the head of the Lower House Committee for Security, Irina Yarovaya, a main sponsor of the bill, said in Parliament. “It is also a shot fired at the future, an instigation for new crimes against peace and security.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: deathtoputin; demagogue; holocaustdenial; jerusalempost; law; peaceoffensive; putinisanatheist; putinisanazi; russia
The State Duma of Russia took the right step. Fascism, Nazism and its related bastard offspring have no place in the civilized world. Its necessary to prevent their rehabilitation. We are all too aware of the horrific consequences of their toleration from history. I hope it soon becomes the federal law in Russia. There is a legitimate space for democratic debate but all manifestations of extremism and hatred must be fought by all parts of society. This is our duty to present and future generations.
1 posted on 04/07/2014 6:26:48 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

Now if only they’d do the same for those who think climate change is happening.


2 posted on 04/07/2014 6:27:42 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: goldstategop

I’d rather hear them say it and kick their teeth. Russians are missing out on all the fun with this law.


3 posted on 04/07/2014 6:28:25 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: goldstategop

Not sure how I feel about this. I usually do not favor any kind of speech restrictions unless children are involved. But if they are going to do this, they should make it a crime to deny other genocides like the Holodomor and the Armenian genocide.


4 posted on 04/07/2014 6:28:50 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: goldstategop

Finally. If it wasn’t for those Ukrainian Nazis . . . .


5 posted on 04/07/2014 6:29:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: goldstategop

Now if only they could pass a similar bill for denying the Katyn Massacre and the Holomodor.


6 posted on 04/07/2014 6:30:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

What about CAGW?


7 posted on 04/07/2014 6:31:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: goldstategop

America is the only country in the world that really has freedom of speech.


8 posted on 04/07/2014 6:32:57 PM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: Monmouth78
America is the only country in the world that really has freedom of speech.

Had.

9 posted on 04/07/2014 6:33:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop
Russian lawmakers approve bill making Holocaust denial illegal

Identify the Holocaust denier in this picture and the guy who is enriching his uranium.

10 posted on 04/07/2014 6:37:37 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Viennacon

I’m usually not in favor of restricting freedom of speech. But hate speech is akin to shouting “fire” in a crowded theater and can also constitute a form of collective libel/slander. Both acts are already legally punishable. Your freedom ends where the rights of others begin. The question is in striking the right balance. Which of course is why this legislation took five years to move forward. But I think in this case, the court can decide if the defendant expressed a legitimate point of view or if his conduct was aimed at disturbing the social peace. This is an appropriate safeguard against official abuse of power in the name of fighting extremism and hatred.


11 posted on 04/07/2014 6:38:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Monmouth78
America is the only country in the world that really has freedom of speech.

And to balance that out, we also levy fines, terminations, reprimands, and prison sentences for manifesting that right.

12 posted on 04/07/2014 6:40:40 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: goldstategop

Holocaust denial is just as foolish as pretending we didn’t land on the moon or that ObamaCare is good. Still, stupidity should not be against the law. Being a moron is punished by natural consequences, as Obama voters are now discovering, but it should not be the government’s concern.


13 posted on 04/07/2014 6:41:04 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: goldstategop

And when ‘hate speech’ is defined as it is in the UK, where street preaching is now enough to arrest you? The problem I see with such restrictions is that they open the door to liberals later down the line.


14 posted on 04/07/2014 6:42:32 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Flycatcher

Yes, but it’s by far the most extensive level of freedom of any country.


15 posted on 04/07/2014 6:42:41 PM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: goldstategop

Their brand of communism killed far more than the Nazis. Do not take that as excusing the acts of the Nazis. Just pointing out that the Russians should shut the hell up about evil government or include Holodomor denial as a crime....


16 posted on 04/07/2014 6:45:09 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: goldstategop
Fascism, Nazism and its related bastard offspring have no place in the civilized world

I particularly despise fascist bastards who express sympathy with criminalization of speech of any type. They are despicable pukes, every one.

17 posted on 04/07/2014 6:52:58 PM PDT by Castlebar
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To: goldstategop

Next thing you know criticizing Islam or Homosexuality will be “Hate Speech”, I don’t want to go down that road.

Besides, I want to know who the idiots are.


18 posted on 04/07/2014 6:55:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Monmouth78

You’re joking, right?


19 posted on 04/07/2014 7:26:32 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Bitter clinger & creepy-ass cracker)
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To: Pollster1
Holocaust denial is just as foolish as pretending we didn’t land on the moon


20 posted on 04/07/2014 7:27:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Monmouth78
America is the only country in the world that really has HAD freedom of speech.

Fixed it for ya -

21 posted on 04/07/2014 7:30:03 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: goldstategop

We have laws against Holocaust denial in Canada. IMHO, they are worse than useless. We were able to expel a crank, who almost no one took seriously. Meanwhile, university campuses are rife with anti-antisemitism, disguised as anti-Israeli policies. Nothing is being done to the bigoted student activists, nor their faculty enablers. It’s against the law to quibble about the numbers killed in the Holocaust (as if there were any acceptable number) — but, quite legal to call for the expulsion of Israeli academics (and worse).


22 posted on 04/07/2014 7:33:10 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Pollster1

We might be to blame for the precedent. This has been the law in Germany for many years, possibly since our post-war occupation.

Europe has their idiots, and we have ours (truthers, Moon landing deniers). Its a cross that a free/open society has to bear.


23 posted on 04/07/2014 9:28:47 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: goldstategop

“The State Duma of Russia took the right step.”

I don’t agree with people who deny the holocaust but I also don’t agree with the idea of putting them into a re-education camp, AKA a prison.

Win their minds with words, don’t bludgeon them into submission!


24 posted on 04/07/2014 9:37:44 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: dfwgator

If only the crimes of the Soviets were published as loudly and long.


25 posted on 04/07/2014 9:48:22 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: goldstategop

No restrictions on speech are lawful in my opinion. It’s the hilltop of a long fall.


26 posted on 04/07/2014 9:50:33 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: goldstategop
Fascism, Nazism and its related bastard offspring have no place in the civilized world.

You're right, Fascism, Nazism and Communism have no place in the civilized world.

27 posted on 04/07/2014 9:51:46 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

You're right, Fascism, Nazism and Communism have no place in the civilized world.

-Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people.

28 posted on 04/07/2014 9:54:02 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator; Pollster1; All
" Holocaust denial is just as foolish
as pretending we didn’t
land on the moon"


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29 posted on 04/07/2014 9:58:42 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: goldstategop

I know the arguments in support of this kind of repression of free speech - they are listed here by others in this thread but I think they are both wrong and counter productive.


30 posted on 04/08/2014 1:06:27 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks goldstategop. Peace offensive ping. Here’s part of the bio of Putin’s hero, Stalin:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Human_Rights/plot.html

Shortly before he died on March 5, 1953, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin accused nine doctors, six of them Jews, of plotting to poison and kill the Soviet leadership. The innocent men were arrested and, at Stalin’s personal instruction, tortured in order to obtain confessions. “Beat, beat, and again beat,” Stalin commanded the interrogators.


31 posted on 04/08/2014 10:12:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: goldstategop

Why should an opinion ever be illegal?

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32 posted on 04/08/2014 10:15:30 AM PDT by Mears
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