Skip to comments.The end of Windows XP support could hurt ATM's
Posted on 04/07/2014 8:16:48 PM PDT by smokingfrog
One in every three computers users could be in major trouble Tuesday, and they won't be getting any help.
Microsoft is dropping its support of its operating system Windows XP. This means there will be no security updates to fend off hackers.
The news gets worse. According to a CNN-Money report, 95 percent of all ATM's use Windows XP, which ATM's can be a prime target for hackers.
Banking giant JP Morgan bought a one-year extension of service so Chase Banks could still run Windows XP in their ATM's and still be covered. All of the big banks should be fine.
However, stand-alone ATM's often found at a gas stations, for instance, could be at risk. Microsoft announced the change years ago and still most banks have yet to upgrade their systems.
"Should a breach occur within an XP environment, they simply won't be of any support to the institution," Linda Montgomery, with the Learning Center, said.
Unless it has a bank or credit union's name on it, security experts say be cautious.
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the world ai’t gonna end for xp pc’s unless microsoft has written code to screw them up once support ends.
remember that last set of xp patches you downloaded......? planned obsolescence.
I wonder if that's how my ‘automatic updates’ accidentally got turned off a couple of years ago?
Bookmarked, I’m concerned about this, don’t have much to ad, I will probably go to our used computer store if I run into trouble.
Ping for later read.
A knowledgeable FReeper pointed out tha ATMs are never connected to the public internet. Some other POS systems using XP Embedded could well be vulnerable, however.
One would hope that ATMs are on a private network not subject fo public hacking.
I have one computer updated to the day, but most XP units are “stuck” at SP2.
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Less than ten years ago, 90% of ATMs ran IBM’s OS/2, which wasn’t supported at the time either.
Yep. Even in places where there is internet, I’ve never heard of one that didn’t have its own line (or share with business phone / fax).
The point is, it's probably a good idea to upgrade your OS and or system if you are running XP because over time you could expose yourself to risks, but nothing is going to happen the day the support expires.
I Installed Linux Ubuntu.
Bah! Obama wanted to replace them with bank tellers, anyway.
RUN WINDOWS 7 INSTEAD!!!
So endeth the lesson, cheapskates.
Keep off porno and file sharing sites, don’t open any e-mail unless I know exactly who it is from, strong anti-virus (Norton works best but is a hog.) Been on the web since 1993 and never had a problem.
I think there are DRM differences.
Some high end products in service need a few more days. 32vs64 and that kinda stuff. We are mostly ready.
EV codes and such are behind but sometimes it is a bit complicated. No need to yell or get excited.
Most computers here are not used daily. Some are not even connected to the web.
Some not even connected to a net at all.
I got two (identical) hand-me-down "smart" phones (w/o a phone hookup). I tried them for a day, but found the small screens, my large fingers/thumbs and the limited capability mobile app/interfaces to be sub optimal to a desktop setup (old laptop running a external monitor and keyboard). The smart phones do have some advantages (Ski Tracker).
Otherwise Linux and Android going forward.
People forget automatic teller machines (ATM's) and point-of-sale terminals do NOT run standard Windows XP, but a special version called Windows XP Embedded. Microsoft has publicly stated they will continue to offer security updates for Windows XP Embedded until at least 2016 and possibly as late as 2019.
We put Zorin8 on one of the old XP machines that the kids use...so far it’s pretty nice, so much so that I’m thinking of dual booting it on my Windows7 PC. I wonder how many folks are going to explore an alternate OS because of this?
If it wasn’t for the end of XP support, I’d have never given Linux much thought.
I am fastidious about updating and security, although I don’t know the technical details of it all, I have been like that during all my years of computing and it keeps me trouble free.
Here are some ways to harden your XP if you choose to.
Here are some links for “hardening” XP.
There's also this.
"Will Microsoft Security Essentials be supported after April 8, 2014?
"Microsoft Security Essentials will not be available for download on Windows XP after April 8, 2014. If you already have Microsoft Security Essentials installed, you will continue to receive anti-malware signature updates through July 14, 2015. However, please note that PCs running Windows XP after April 8, 2014 should not be considered protected.
"Will Microsoft's Malicious Software Removal Tool be supported after April 8, 2014?
"Microsoft's Malicious Software Removal Tool is aligned with the company's anti-malware engines and signatures, and as such the removal tool will continue to be provided for Windows XP through July 14, 2015. However, any PC running Windows XP after April 8, 2014 should not be considered protected as there will be no security updates for the Windows XP operating system."
Just regular virus, etc. protection for another year? No patches to the operating system to prevent just find it and delete as necessary?
I cannot find it but I think I read on a MS site that continued support for XP business apps can be had for a price.
So, games, text, music/audio, test equipment (frequency analyzers, O-Scope apps, etc), still pics, programming and much video can be processed offline.
Yes, it’s unlikely a virus could get into any ATM’s network.
I believe Microsoft is still offering private paid support for XP which would help those installations limp along. Maybe enterprising Linux systems engineers could produce ports for that same hardware.
Private antiviruses would continue to be able to do the job.
To switch one computer to Windows 7 would cost me over $10,000.00 over the next two years. Win 7 will not run the version of proprietary software I use in my work, and the new version requires quarterly fees on top of the upgrade costs. The version I am running was paid for when I paid for it. No quarterly ransom.
A third of the computers in the world use XP. Right now I’m on an 11 year old laptop. I believe this is simply a way to sell more computers.
“Here’s an idea:
RUN WINDOWS 7 INSTEAD!!!
So endeth the lesson, cheapskates.
Even if Microsoft won’t issue anti-malware, won’t the major anti-virus applications still keep up?
True enough. Some systems might be able to migrate to Windows 7. But not all.
This sounds like a terrific opportunity for Linux, again not a panacea because even Wine can’t run all Windows applications, but many can use it and it will run on older boxen.
I would think so. When I finally made the move from 98SE to XP, it was because a window leaked on a site shack and the computer woke up in a puddle of water, but I seem to recall that the anti-virus still updated. My win 3.11 box was too slow for the web then, and I’d bet the next step will be to make the web (already based on sensory overstimulation) so bloated with video ads the old architecture just won’t handle the load gracefully. That’s why I quit Win95—the internet got so garbaged up with graphics the machine wouldn’t handle it. Seems I still got AV updates until I couldn’t download them.
Karl Denninger’s take is it is overblown panic:
The Windows XP support cut off should have no effect on ATMs and Kiosk deployments of Windows XP. They are all using Windows XP Embedded and support for Windows XP Embedded will continue until 2016.
Fight the Free Sh☭t Nation
Also, as I don't recall the initial install of MSE being version specific (ie XP v 7),
and as there were always smart young people making XP SPs available for slipstreaming and the like,
I'm guessing that like-minded techies will continue the tradition with MSE updates for XP ?
Easy for you to say. I bought a Dell XP computer for my mother-in-law with Office factory installed. She doesn't have the money to pay for Windows 7 or 8. Microsoft has scared her into thinking her bank accounts will be stolen if she doesn't upgrade.
Exactly. Gates and his slimy minions at MS have honed in their skills to hold the consumer hostage. Same goes for software. Just try to load an Office product (that you have previously already bought) onto a WIN8 platform.
If this isn't as sleazy as it gets, I don't what is.
Browsers have historically been a leading gateway for PC infections, and Microsofts Internet Explorer had one of the worst reputations. The latest versions of IE 10 and 11 are much more secure than their predecessors, but neither runs on XP. IE 8 was the last version of an MS browser to run on XP. So one of the first steps for hardening an XP system? Dont use IE as your default browser. (You will, however, need to keep it installed and updated.)
Switch to Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox as your primary connection to the Internet. And if you use Firefox, add in NoScript to block malicious scripts. Another reason to switch: Google Apps doesnt support IE 8, but the online service will run in XP-compatible Chrome and Firefox.
Do you mind? We are having hysteria here. Either get hysterical with us or get out.
OMG! WE ARE DOOMED!!!
OK, I’ll bite. Why does she need MS Office?
Actually things ran better under Windows 7. Vista was the big problem.
I have one laptop that runs Vista pretty smoothly. It’s SP1 pretty much fixed any issues that would bother me.
Even if it is crash and burn time, I don’t care because I dumped Microsoft for Linux when Vista came out. I figured if Microsoft was going to force me to learn a new interface, it might as well be something less aggravating, more secure, require less maintenance and be more inexpensive in the long run.
Since then I have not worried about copy protection, have not bought an anti-virus package, have not spent hours scanning the hard drive with multiple programs to clean off a host of viruses and malware, have not had ANY issues of any kind, and oh, by the way, Linux is free.
I can run pretty much any kind of generic program I need, except for some Apple-specific programs such as iTunes. In summary, I have no regrets fleeing Microsoft captivity. In fact, it has been a pleasure. The Microsoft world can end without me!