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The end of Windows XP support could hurt ATM's
8 News Now ^ | 4-7-14 | Scott Daniels

Posted on 04/07/2014 8:16:48 PM PDT by smokingfrog

One in every three computers users could be in major trouble Tuesday, and they won't be getting any help.

Microsoft is dropping its support of its operating system Windows XP. This means there will be no security updates to fend off hackers.

The news gets worse. According to a CNN-Money report, 95 percent of all ATM's use Windows XP, which ATM's can be a prime target for hackers.

Banking giant JP Morgan bought a one-year extension of service so Chase Banks could still run Windows XP in their ATM's and still be covered. All of the big banks should be fine.

However, stand-alone ATM's often found at a gas stations, for instance, could be at risk. Microsoft announced the change years ago and still most banks have yet to upgrade their systems.

"Should a breach occur within an XP environment, they simply won't be of any support to the institution," Linda Montgomery, with the Learning Center, said.

Unless it has a bank or credit union's name on it, security experts say be cautious.

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1 posted on 04/07/2014 8:16:49 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

the world ai’t gonna end for xp pc’s unless microsoft has written code to screw them up once support ends.

remember that last set of xp patches you downloaded......? planned obsolescence.


2 posted on 04/07/2014 8:18:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
“remember that last set of xp patches you downloaded”

I wonder if that's how my ‘automatic updates’ accidentally got turned off a couple of years ago?

3 posted on 04/07/2014 8:21:13 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: smokingfrog

Bookmarked, I’m concerned about this, don’t have much to ad, I will probably go to our used computer store if I run into trouble.


4 posted on 04/07/2014 8:22:55 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: Spunky

Ping for later read.


5 posted on 04/07/2014 8:23:04 PM PDT by Spunky (BIG GOVERNMENT MAKES SMALLER CITIZENS.)
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To: smokingfrog

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3141916/posts?page=1

Related maybe?
Dunno.


6 posted on 04/07/2014 8:23:59 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: smokingfrog

A knowledgeable FReeper pointed out tha ATMs are never connected to the public internet. Some other POS systems using XP Embedded could well be vulnerable, however.


7 posted on 04/07/2014 8:27:18 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: smokingfrog

One would hope that ATMs are on a private network not subject fo public hacking.


8 posted on 04/07/2014 8:30:00 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: I cannot think of a name

I have one computer updated to the day, but most XP units are “stuck” at SP2.


9 posted on 04/07/2014 8:31:26 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

They are??


10 posted on 04/07/2014 8:32:49 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: smokingfrog

ping for later read


11 posted on 04/07/2014 8:33:23 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: smokingfrog

Less than ten years ago, 90% of ATMs ran IBM’s OS/2, which wasn’t supported at the time either.


12 posted on 04/07/2014 8:33:48 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: bigbob

Yep. Even in places where there is internet, I’ve never heard of one that didn’t have its own line (or share with business phone / fax).


13 posted on 04/07/2014 8:34:37 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: smokingfrog
This is a lot of hype. Microsoft automatically applies patches as holes or weaknesses are discovered that hackers have been exploiting. BUT that doesn't mean there's going to be a problem they day after they stop offering automatic patches. Most of these hacks are convoluted anyway, requiring a specific series of circumstances, i.e., if you are watching a video, and your memory spikes crashing your video player and you hit a certain kind of infected web site immediately after your memory overload but before rebooting your system, then your computer is vulnerable to hacking the next time you download an Excel file (or something like that - this is an example only).

The point is, it's probably a good idea to upgrade your OS and or system if you are running XP because over time you could expose yourself to risks, but nothing is going to happen the day the support expires.

14 posted on 04/07/2014 8:40:40 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I Installed Linux Ubuntu.


15 posted on 04/07/2014 8:47:14 PM PDT by Internet Walnut
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To: Paladin2

Why?


16 posted on 04/07/2014 8:56:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: smokingfrog

Bah! Obama wanted to replace them with bank tellers, anyway.


17 posted on 04/07/2014 8:56:31 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: smokingfrog
Here's an idea:

RUN WINDOWS 7 INSTEAD!!!

So endeth the lesson, cheapskates.

18 posted on 04/07/2014 8:57:37 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Paladin2

Keep off porno and file sharing sites, don’t open any e-mail unless I know exactly who it is from, strong anti-virus (Norton works best but is a hog.) Been on the web since 1993 and never had a problem.


19 posted on 04/07/2014 8:57:52 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: bigbob

I think there are DRM differences.


20 posted on 04/07/2014 9:00:18 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: smokingfrog

ping


21 posted on 04/07/2014 9:03:55 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Some high end products in service need a few more days. 32vs64 and that kinda stuff. We are mostly ready.

EV codes and such are behind but sometimes it is a bit complicated. No need to yell or get excited.

RR


22 posted on 04/07/2014 9:05:10 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: ansel12
Personal preference.

Most computers here are not used daily. Some are not even connected to the web.

Some not even connected to a net at all.

I got two (identical) hand-me-down "smart" phones (w/o a phone hookup). I tried them for a day, but found the small screens, my large fingers/thumbs and the limited capability mobile app/interfaces to be sub optimal to a desktop setup (old laptop running a external monitor and keyboard). The smart phones do have some advantages (Ski Tracker).

23 posted on 04/07/2014 9:07:37 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Feh, XP FMCDH.

Otherwise Linux and Android going forward.

24 posted on 04/07/2014 9:09:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: smokingfrog
WRONG.

People forget automatic teller machines (ATM's) and point-of-sale terminals do NOT run standard Windows XP, but a special version called Windows XP Embedded. Microsoft has publicly stated they will continue to offer security updates for Windows XP Embedded until at least 2016 and possibly as late as 2019.

25 posted on 04/07/2014 9:09:59 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: ElkGroveDan

We put Zorin8 on one of the old XP machines that the kids use...so far it’s pretty nice, so much so that I’m thinking of dual booting it on my Windows7 PC. I wonder how many folks are going to explore an alternate OS because of this?

If it wasn’t for the end of XP support, I’d have never given Linux much thought.


26 posted on 04/07/2014 9:11:19 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Paladin2

I am fastidious about updating and security, although I don’t know the technical details of it all, I have been like that during all my years of computing and it keeps me trouble free.

Here are some ways to harden your XP if you choose to.

Here are some links for “hardening” XP.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=41138

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/secure-windows-xp-after-end-of-support-april-2014

http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/securing-xp-pcs-after-microsoft-drops-support/

http://www.foxguardsolutions.com/resources/details/xp-mitigation-techniques

http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/how-harden-your-browser-against-malware-and-privacy-concerns.htm

http://lifehacker.com/5940565/why-you-should-start-using-a-vpn-and-how-to-choose-the-best-one-for-your-needs


27 posted on 04/07/2014 9:22:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: RayChuang88
RE: continue to offer security updates for Windows XP Embedded

There's also this.

Support ends . . . .

"Will Microsoft Security Essentials be supported after April 8, 2014?

"Microsoft Security Essentials will not be available for download on Windows XP after April 8, 2014. If you already have Microsoft Security Essentials installed, you will continue to receive anti-malware signature updates through July 14, 2015. However, please note that PCs running Windows XP after April 8, 2014 should not be considered protected.

"Will Microsoft's Malicious Software Removal Tool be supported after April 8, 2014?

"Microsoft's Malicious Software Removal Tool is aligned with the company's anti-malware engines and signatures, and as such the removal tool will continue to be provided for Windows XP through July 14, 2015. However, any PC running Windows XP after April 8, 2014 should not be considered protected as there will be no security updates for the Windows XP operating system."

Just regular virus, etc. protection for another year? No patches to the operating system to prevent just find it and delete as necessary?

I cannot find it but I think I read on a MS site that continued support for XP business apps can be had for a price.

28 posted on 04/07/2014 9:26:01 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: M1911A1
Really, except for a surfing/email/streaming to TV computer there is no need for security as a computer can be completely stand alone to run apps designed for XP and older M$ o/s's with the hardware and software of the day.

So, games, text, music/audio, test equipment (frequency analyzers, O-Scope apps, etc), still pics, programming and much video can be processed offline.

29 posted on 04/07/2014 9:30:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: bigbob

Yes, it’s unlikely a virus could get into any ATM’s network.

I believe Microsoft is still offering private paid support for XP which would help those installations limp along. Maybe enterprising Linux systems engineers could produce ports for that same hardware.


30 posted on 04/07/2014 9:43:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Private antiviruses would continue to be able to do the job.


31 posted on 04/07/2014 9:45:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

To switch one computer to Windows 7 would cost me over $10,000.00 over the next two years. Win 7 will not run the version of proprietary software I use in my work, and the new version requires quarterly fees on top of the upgrade costs. The version I am running was paid for when I paid for it. No quarterly ransom.


32 posted on 04/07/2014 9:47:56 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: smokingfrog

A third of the computers in the world use XP. Right now I’m on an 11 year old laptop. I believe this is simply a way to sell more computers.


33 posted on 04/07/2014 10:09:09 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“Here’s an idea:

RUN WINDOWS 7 INSTEAD!!!

So endeth the lesson, cheapskates.


It’s not about being “cheap’. Windows has outlived it’s usefulness.


34 posted on 04/07/2014 10:51:06 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: Smokin' Joe

Even if Microsoft won’t issue anti-malware, won’t the major anti-virus applications still keep up?


35 posted on 04/08/2014 12:43:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ourworldawry

True enough. Some systems might be able to migrate to Windows 7. But not all.

This sounds like a terrific opportunity for Linux, again not a panacea because even Wine can’t run all Windows applications, but many can use it and it will run on older boxen.


36 posted on 04/08/2014 12:45:58 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I would think so. When I finally made the move from 98SE to XP, it was because a window leaked on a site shack and the computer woke up in a puddle of water, but I seem to recall that the anti-virus still updated. My win 3.11 box was too slow for the web then, and I’d bet the next step will be to make the web (already based on sensory overstimulation) so bloated with video ads the old architecture just won’t handle the load gracefully. That’s why I quit Win95—the internet got so garbaged up with graphics the machine wouldn’t handle it. Seems I still got AV updates until I couldn’t download them.


37 posted on 04/08/2014 12:56:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: smokingfrog; All

Karl Denninger’s take is it is overblown panic:

http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228912


38 posted on 04/08/2014 3:32:38 AM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: smokingfrog

The Windows XP support cut off should have no effect on ATMs and Kiosk deployments of Windows XP. They are all using Windows XP Embedded and support for Windows XP Embedded will continue until 2016.


39 posted on 04/08/2014 4:35:06 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Not a fan of Microsoft, but I am running Windows 7 in VirtualBox under Ubuntu. Win7 does have an emulation mode that works back as far as ME (I believe). Doesn't work for everything but if you haven't actually tried running your stuff in XP emulation mode (which should be solid as houses) I wouldn't assume that it won't work.

Fight the Free Sh☭t Nation

40 posted on 04/08/2014 4:47:51 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: All
With a bit of due diligence against being a moron re clicking .exes and the like,
and given the host of decent & free AV apps out there, along with Malwarebytes' excellent free app,
this may be a bit of 'much ado about little', to paraphrase Bill.

Also, as I don't recall the initial install of MSE being version specific (ie XP v 7),
and as there were always smart young people making XP SPs available for slipstreaming and the like,
I'm guessing that like-minded techies will continue the tradition with MSE updates for XP ?

41 posted on 04/08/2014 5:49:55 AM PDT by tomkat (no guilt, no apologies)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
RUN WINDOWS 7 INSTEAD!!!

Easy for you to say. I bought a Dell XP computer for my mother-in-law with Office factory installed. She doesn't have the money to pay for Windows 7 or 8. Microsoft has scared her into thinking her bank accounts will be stolen if she doesn't upgrade.

42 posted on 04/08/2014 5:56:33 AM PDT by McGruff (Want to hurt Mozilla? Don't use Firefox's search bar. That is their money maker.)
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To: VerySadAmerican
A third of the computers in the world use XP. Right now I’m on an 11 year old laptop. I believe this is simply a way to sell more computers.

Exactly. Gates and his slimy minions at MS have honed in their skills to hold the consumer hostage. Same goes for software. Just try to load an Office product (that you have previously already bought) onto a WIN8 platform.

43 posted on 04/08/2014 5:59:54 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Hey, I have heard of many horror stories, where someone upgraded from XP or VISTA to WIN 7/8 , and had their machines crash and burn due to resource issues. Poor consumer has already (1) sunk money into an upgrade disk that is worthless, (2) Had to by a new machine due to MS forced obsolescence.

If this isn't as sleazy as it gets, I don't what is.

44 posted on 04/08/2014 6:05:16 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: ansel12
Some good info from one of your links.

Browsers have historically been a leading gateway for PC infections, and Microsoft’s Internet Explorer had one of the worst reputations. The latest versions of IE — 10 and 11 — are much more secure than their predecessors, but neither runs on XP. IE 8 was the last version of an MS browser to run on XP. So one of the first steps for hardening an XP system? Don’t use IE as your default browser. (You will, however, need to keep it installed and updated.)

Switch to Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox as your primary connection to the Internet. And if you use Firefox, add in NoScript to block malicious scripts. Another reason to switch: Google Apps doesn’t support IE 8, but the online service will run in XP-compatible Chrome and Firefox.

45 posted on 04/08/2014 6:18:00 AM PDT by McGruff (Want to hurt Mozilla? Don't use Firefox's search bar. That is their money maker.)
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To: RayChuang88

Do you mind? We are having hysteria here. Either get hysterical with us or get out.

OMG! WE ARE DOOMED!!!


46 posted on 04/08/2014 6:24:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: McGruff

OK, I’ll bite. Why does she need MS Office?


47 posted on 04/08/2014 6:25:40 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: catfish1957

Actually things ran better under Windows 7. Vista was the big problem.


48 posted on 04/08/2014 6:26:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy

I have one laptop that runs Vista pretty smoothly. It’s SP1 pretty much fixed any issues that would bother me.


49 posted on 04/08/2014 6:41:52 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: smokingfrog

Even if it is crash and burn time, I don’t care because I dumped Microsoft for Linux when Vista came out. I figured if Microsoft was going to force me to learn a new interface, it might as well be something less aggravating, more secure, require less maintenance and be more inexpensive in the long run.

Since then I have not worried about copy protection, have not bought an anti-virus package, have not spent hours scanning the hard drive with multiple programs to clean off a host of viruses and malware, have not had ANY issues of any kind, and oh, by the way, Linux is free.

I can run pretty much any kind of generic program I need, except for some Apple-specific programs such as iTunes. In summary, I have no regrets fleeing Microsoft captivity. In fact, it has been a pleasure. The Microsoft world can end without me!


50 posted on 04/08/2014 8:11:17 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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