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Why Would Police Need This Unstoppable Military Vehicle?
Western Journalism ^ | Apr 7, 2014 | B. Christopher Agee

Posted on 04/07/2014 10:02:18 PM PDT by Ray76

Residents of Saginaw County, Mich. could soon find themselves confronted by a behemoth best suited for the war-torn streets of Afghanistan. According to Sheriff William Federspiel, his department recently obtained a Mine Resistant Ambush Proof (MRAP) vehicle straight from the U.S. Army.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mrap; policestate
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1 posted on 04/07/2014 10:02:18 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Ray76

Related:

Breaking MRAPs
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3085435/posts


2 posted on 04/07/2014 10:04:40 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: Ray76

From swords to plowshares.

Veterans shluld be given a plot of land to farm and use these trucks of theirs for farming. They earned them in blood.

We do not need a pharaohnic police force with Chariots to make war against other counties or what not.


3 posted on 04/07/2014 10:05:05 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Ray76
Ho hum, and the Posse Comitatus act says "Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
4 posted on 04/07/2014 10:05:54 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Ray76

5 posted on 04/07/2014 10:06:06 PM PDT by null and void (Politics: Voting for the monkeys that are better at flinging poo at their opponents...)
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To: Ray76

It’s my understanding the PD’s buying these vehicles are getting them below dirt cheap prices. In some cases, they are going for less than 1/10th the original price.


6 posted on 04/07/2014 10:06:34 PM PDT by DemforBush (The scourge of mariachis and polka bands everywhere.)
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To: Ray76

Saginaw’s a pretty tough town.

(really)


7 posted on 04/07/2014 10:08:09 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Ray76

Good to know it isn’t needed in Donetsk by our mercenaries. :)


8 posted on 04/07/2014 10:12:22 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

As needed to run over protesting Tea Party members?


9 posted on 04/07/2014 10:14:26 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Ray76

Because the Washington government does not approve of Americans setting their police on fire. Policy differs in the Ukraine, Syria, Libya and Egypt.

Slav or Arab Spring: good.

American Spring: bad.


10 posted on 04/07/2014 10:14:37 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: jsanders2001

I’m not real sure there are many tea party members in Saginaw.

Maybe, I’m just not certain.


11 posted on 04/07/2014 10:16:12 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: coloradan

You said it, “Ho Hum”. There is not Posse Comitaus if there is nobody to enforce it.

What about the Navy and Coast Guard?

We are like sheep attended by goats.


12 posted on 04/07/2014 10:19:46 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Ray76
The Saginaw Sherrifs Dept. is now prepared by an invasion of North Koreans attacking Michagan over the ice ,via Lake Superior.
It could happen , ya know .... /sarc
13 posted on 04/07/2014 10:22:15 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: coloradan; gaijin; backwoods-engineer
So, basically - any police department that has an MRAP is committing ongoing felonies in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

As I've written before:

In a tyranny, everyone is a criminal & a lawbreaker, except for the government, and anyone who is a part of the government.

14 posted on 04/07/2014 10:24:39 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Ray76

It’s only ‘unstoppable’ until the operator needs to stop to take a whiz.


15 posted on 04/07/2014 10:24:42 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Ray76

Unstoppable?

“Everything’s got a tailpipe.”

“The more complicated the plumbing, the easier it is to stop it up.”


17 posted on 04/07/2014 10:26:22 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: kiryandil
So, basically - any police department that has an MRAP is committing ongoing felonies in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

I can agree with that, yeah.

18 posted on 04/07/2014 10:28:29 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: jsanders2001

Justin Beiber bust.


19 posted on 04/07/2014 10:28:49 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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20 posted on 04/07/2014 10:31:00 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Ray76

Spare parts will run out sooner or later and the maintanence costs will go through the roof.


21 posted on 04/07/2014 10:31:29 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
The Saginaw Sherrifs Dept. is now prepared by an invasion of North Koreans attacking Michagan over the ice ,via Lake Superior.

It's those dirty Chummy collaborators in Goderich, Kincardine & Obatanga Provincial Park.

Damn them!

22 posted on 04/07/2014 10:33:20 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Psalm 144

>> the Washington government does not approve of Americans setting their police on fire

Americans will not be “setting police on fire”. The federal government is pre-positioning military equipment.


23 posted on 04/07/2014 10:40:03 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: DemforBush

Here is the deal...in simplicity.

Most of these vehicles end up on a gov’t sales listing. Cost is usually ten to forty percent of original cost.

Who buys them? Usually a local or county law enforcement agency who has grant money that is NOT monitored by the city or county commission. If you put this out for a vote....rarely will commissions approve the purchase.

Upon delivery? You discover that you need a driver who is trained and certified (yeah, that cost money)....so you pay for Randy and Joe to go off to Iuka or Del Rio for three days of training.

Then you discover that you need a special mechanic, so Sparky (your police car mechanic) goes to Ohio for ten days of special training (that costs money too).

Then you discover that routine maintenance is tied into the vehicle. Parts, special oil, and special tires. That will cost money.

If you have a full-blown emergency where it’s needed at the other side of the county? Well....you can figure almost an entire tank of gas will be used to get there and back. Figure up around $100 minimum for each trip.

The odds of some idiot taking a curve too fast and flipping it? Well, you have to order the guys to keep the speed at forty on the straight-away, and ten on curves.

What happens when you get it to the “event”? You tend to park in a position so that the local media can image it and put it into the report. Actual usage? Maybe one event out of ten will require it to be pulled in close.

Breakdowns? More than your average vehicle. Cost on the police department? You can figure twenty thousand a year will be spent if you drive it out once a week to some event.

Around twenty years ago...in Phoenix...the local cops ended up with their ‘attack vehicle’ damaging some parked cars, and the county had to pay out tens of thousands for damages.

For the effect that county or city cops gain...they get one interesting add-on. Now that everyone sees things advanced...there’s a need for a heavier type weapon to counter the police-military vehicle. Within ten years....rockets and mortars will be noted by various gangs and criminals. What’s next for the cops? Laser weapons?


24 posted on 04/07/2014 10:56:35 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Ray76

25 posted on 04/07/2014 11:08:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Carl from Marietta

That is some real commie hate against veterans and military service for our nation, you got going there.


26 posted on 04/07/2014 11:29:40 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: pepsionice
Here is the deal...in simplicity.

Most of these vehicles end up on a gov’t sales listing. Cost is usually ten to forty percent of original cost.

Who buys them?

You've pretty much nailed it.

States, counties, towns, universities, and non profit organizations, etc., get first dibs on military surplus equipment.

What's left over gets sold in a huge online auction.

That's the source of most military equipment that we, who collect such "relics" use.

You have to know where to shop.

I am not going to announce here where to shop so as not to add even more bidders bidding up the price.

If one is interested enough, one can find it.

BTW, Saturday I should be picking up my second German Army Unimog, another radio van.

Will be using it for emergency and event ham radio.

Search for images of U1300L if you want to see what it looks like.

27 posted on 04/07/2014 11:44:03 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: ansel12

Not that I’m agreeing with the previous poster, but is there something to the notion of the revolving door between military service and law enforcement employment? Or is it a phenomenon limited only to the ivy league-government-private sector lecture circuit AKA the eastern establishment?


28 posted on 04/07/2014 11:47:28 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Ray76

The answer, of course, is obvious: to roll over the corpses of Americans who foolishly believed in the First Amendment.


29 posted on 04/07/2014 11:50:18 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: JPX2011

When I was young I assumed all cops would be veterans, and was surprised to find out that most never served, I don’t know what the percentage is today.

What percentage of the almost 25 million veterans are cops, do you think?


30 posted on 04/07/2014 11:51:58 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Civil agencies having military equipment for domestic use creates a dynamic, the poster’s attitude is a symptom of that dynamic.


31 posted on 04/08/2014 12:07:37 AM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: Carl from Marietta

Wow. Because I joined during the Carter administration, rather than during Vietnam (the draft ended when I was 12) I’m a dog-killing, fascist, jack-booted skinhead? Good to know.


32 posted on 04/08/2014 12:08:24 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Ray76

“Unstoppable”.

That sounds like a challenge.


33 posted on 04/08/2014 12:09:17 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: ansel12

I don’t know. If you’ve got numbers I’d appreciate seeing them. The only thing I’ve seen is anecdotal. There is this tidbit from the DOJ, however:

In FY 2012 the COPS Hiring Program (CHP) made available $111 million directly to law enforcement agencies to hire and/or rehire career law enforcement officers for the advancement of public safety through an increase in their community policing capacity and crime prevention efforts. Grantees that received 2012 CHP grant funding for new hire positions were required to hire a new officer who is a post-9/11 military veteran.

Under FY 2013 CHP, new hire officer positions are not required to be military veterans, as under FY 2012 CHP. However, as the COPS Office supports the Attorney General’s commitment to hiring military veterans whenever possible, applicants who committed to hiring or rehiring at least one military veteran under CHP received additional consideration for FY 2013 CHP funding.

If one considers the prevalence of the deployment of MRAPS to small town police and county sheriff’s departments it seems reasonable to assume that those said departments would sign up for additional grant money requiring the hire of veterans. For them what’s the downside? Get money and they hire pre-trained supposedly competent individuals. At the least it establishes a hiring preference. It does beg the question if the purchase of MRAPS is as prevalent as we think outside of the FR fishbowl.

I’ve met some who’ve served and some who haven’t. It is a mixed bag. The ultimate question is however: Does the hiring of veterans as cops poses to us a risk as we think MRAPS do? I can only speculate. There are veterans who just need a job; who feel obligated to continue their service in some capacity; or those on a power trip who got off kicking in doors in the sandbox.

We also have to consider the quality of recruits going into the service. We have to examine our own understanding of things. If what we say here on FR is true and patriotic Americans are being purged from the armed forces in favor of PC homosympathizers with a fascistic streak then one could only conclude that there is cause for concern when they enter the military-LEO pipeline.


35 posted on 04/08/2014 12:15:35 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Carl from Marietta

” These skinheads we keep “thanking for your service” are merely doing a job they joined up for and coming home and shooting our dogs.”

I am?
Since when?


36 posted on 04/08/2014 12:16:13 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

Thank you for your service. /s


38 posted on 04/08/2014 12:17:46 AM PDT by Carl from Marietta
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To: Carl from Marietta; Jim Robinson; darkwing104; Old Sarge; Kathy in Alaska

I note the sarc tag.
Your disrespect is dishonorable, and speaks of an all encompassing ignorance.
Nice broad brush smear you made against all servicemembers.
Did you know that Jim served?

Ping to some of the military and former military types.
Did you know, Carl from Marietta says in post 16 “ These skinheads we keep “thanking for your service” are merely doing a job they joined up for and coming home and shooting our dogs.”
We’re all dog murdering psychopaths in his eyes!
BBQ at his place, bring beer!


39 posted on 04/08/2014 12:22:42 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Carl from Marietta

That’s funny. You and my VERY FAR-LEFT Aunt in New Jersey are on exactly the same page. Do you also believe that I and my compatriots are war criminals, Rand, er, I mean Carl?


40 posted on 04/08/2014 12:23:32 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Carl from Marietta; Jim Robinson; darkwing104; Old Sarge; Kathy in Alaska

Even better.
Carl doubles down on it in post 37!
“ You were a mercenary and trade off of that fact with your screen name, and from that expect, (and this is the worst part)get attaboys for doing what you expected to be paid for. Nothing special at all.”

We’re mercenaries too!
Party at his place.
Pay from koch brothers to usual accounts. / kidding.


41 posted on 04/08/2014 12:25:41 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

Koch brothers? Don’t you mean George Soros or Alex Jones?


42 posted on 04/08/2014 12:28:49 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not certain with this clown, actually.
It might be bunnies for all I know.


43 posted on 04/08/2014 12:31:06 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

Yeah, that $397 dollars a month sure bought a lot of bling.

http://www.navycs.com/charts/1978-military-pay-chart.html


44 posted on 04/08/2014 12:31:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Darksheare

Watch yourself! He’s the second oldest FReeper after the site owner.


45 posted on 04/08/2014 12:32:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Doesn’t matter.
Knock servicemen and servicemembers, openly state hatred for us, get the ire of the dragon.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3141944/posts?page=34#34
(Openly stated hatred for the military is there..)


46 posted on 04/08/2014 12:35:51 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: coloradan

Even trying to read it strictly I have a hard time seeing it to mean surplused materiel rather than personnel.

Still it’s all about egos now, something that God explicitly will NOT bless. And really earnest crooks will probably find ways to hinder such equipment. Just out of spite. Smokey and some very evil bandits.


47 posted on 04/08/2014 12:38:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That was when our pay came from squirrels.
They’re notoriously cheap!


48 posted on 04/08/2014 12:39:52 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Carl from Marietta

So you dislike us almost 25 million vets, you sound like quite a guy.


49 posted on 04/08/2014 12:43:38 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: JPX2011

The last time I checked there were about 25 million of us veterans, not many of us are cops.


50 posted on 04/08/2014 12:45:29 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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