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Use of cars can help families reduce poverty, large study finds
Pioneer Press/WAPO ^ | 4-4-14 | Emily Badger

Posted on 04/08/2014 4:41:55 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

In many circles -- including advocates for cleaner air, safer streets, public transit -- it's a major policy goal to get people out of cars.

Reduce car use, and you reduce pollution. Reduce car use, and we'll need fewer costly roads and parking garages. Reduce car use and shift more people onto bikes and trains, and maybe we'll all spend less of our lives idling in traffic.

That line of thinking, however, seldom considers a group of people for whom more car use might actually be a good thing: the poor.

A group of researchers at the Urban Institute, the University of Maryland and UCLA broach this topic in a large new study of low-income families in 10 cities that participated in two federal housing voucher programs, which were tracked over time by the government. Those programs, the Moving to Opportunity for Fair Housing program and the Welfare to Work Voucher program, attempted to give families access to greater opportunities through stable housing in high-quality neighborhoods.

But it turned out that much of the opportunity in places with better schools, lower poverty and less crime is hard to unlock without a car, the study found.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cars; housing; hud; poverty; section8; smartgrowth; transportation; vouchers
But cars are evil planet-killing death machines! Trains will solved all our "sprawl" problems.
1 posted on 04/08/2014 4:41:55 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni
Every boy since the invention of the infernal combustion engine was invented knew this and used it to wheedle a car into his possession.

Girls were happy to ride with us until they got uppity and wanted their own.


Is this a study that actually got paid to determine?

I'm in the wrong business.

2 posted on 04/08/2014 4:49:05 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I check out the “Jobs” section on craigslist from time to time. One of thing that is prominent in the ads is “reliable transportation”.


3 posted on 04/08/2014 4:56:26 AM PDT by MCF
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To: TurboZamboni
problem is, WE will be the ones that have to pony up for the cars, insurance, tags, inspections and maintenance of said cars for the poor...
4 posted on 04/08/2014 4:58:17 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: TurboZamboni

This means they probably want to give the poor “Obamacars” next.


5 posted on 04/08/2014 4:58:44 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

In Eurofrisco they get flipped.

http://dfm.twincities.com/article/someone-is-flipping-over-smart-cars-in-san-francisco/281d1612e3d7fea9a81bf9f3191cdb5e


6 posted on 04/08/2014 4:59:29 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: TurboZamboni
Several crucial differences emerged between families that had access to a car and those that did not. The families with cars moved to neighborhoods with less poverty and were more likely to stay there. They lived in neighborhoods with less unemployment, higher median rents, more access to green space and lower levels of cancer risk. By the end of the government's survey, these families also lived in neighborhoods with better-performing schools.

They are describing suburbia - lefties hate suburbia. Unless, as it seems, they believe that the populations should be switched.

7 posted on 04/08/2014 4:59:39 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: MCF

I guess they don’t hire GM owners.


8 posted on 04/08/2014 5:00:31 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: TurboZamboni

But, for the ‘poor’ now, personal mobility is a right. Just like TANF, SNAP, WICs, Section 8, ObamaPhone, UIC, EITC and all the other forms of welfare and private charity.

When it is THEM that gets, who the hell cares about the environment. The few (growing larger everyday), the chosen, the defiantly demanding entitled. Nothing else matters.


9 posted on 04/08/2014 5:01:09 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: knarf

It also could be interpreted to mean moving people to a “good neighborhood” doesn’t unlock the benefits unless you can drive to the jobs, civic activities, schools, etc. Just putting them in a middle class house doesn’t make them members of the mobile, spread out community.


10 posted on 04/08/2014 5:06:52 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: TurboZamboni

Bikes! Always cracks me up. Uppity smug academics who watch old “films” are obsessed with images of the european proletariat pedaling to town ringing their little bicycle bells. How romantic. How superior.


11 posted on 04/08/2014 5:08:36 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Obama cars coming soon! Having a car is a basic right, just like a phone and healthcare! /s


12 posted on 04/08/2014 5:09:10 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“This means they probably want to give the poor “Obamacars” next.”

For sure. Add it to the “free stuff” list.


13 posted on 04/08/2014 5:11:12 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: TurboZamboni

Now a car will become a constitutional right, just like cable tv and an obamaphone.


14 posted on 04/08/2014 5:13:42 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack

“Poor people don’t need gas. They don’t drive’”


15 posted on 04/08/2014 5:24:11 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: TurboZamboni

More research money spent to prove something blatantly obvious. Up next.... $5M to prove water is wet.


16 posted on 04/08/2014 5:28:11 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
They are describing suburbia - lefties hate suburbia. Unless, as it seems, they believe that the populations should be switched.

The lefties really DO hate those safe, clean, well-armed, Republican, low tax suburban and rural areas!

The population switch experiment has already been demonstrated by the French.

In France, the cities may be the preferred choice for the wealthy live and the suburbs are where the poor and minorities tend to live.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/23/french-intifada-arab-banlieues-fighting-french-state-extract

"Poor" households in the US have more cars than middle-class households almost everywhere on the planet. Poverty in the United States in 2014 doesn't have much (if anything) to do with money.

17 posted on 04/08/2014 5:28:23 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: TurboZamboni

I suggest that people here take SCREEN SHOTS of this article...it will not be posted very long.


18 posted on 04/08/2014 5:34:32 AM PDT by BobL
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To: catfish1957
It's been proven over and over that in most places with light rail built to “serve the poor” that it would be more cost effective to buy them all a new car.

Not that I suggest doing this-no stake or pride in ownership= no maintenance or upkeep.

19 posted on 04/08/2014 5:35:02 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: TurboZamboni

I’ve got a great idea, I call it “cash for clunkers”.

Let’s offer people that are wealthy enough to buy a new car cash for their good reliable used car.

We’ll take the good reliable used car, turn it into junk and deny people that can’t afford a new car good reliable used cars for transportation to work.

We’ll drive the price of used cars, even cars that really are pretty much junk, through the roof and make them so expensive people can’t afford to get good reliable cheap transportation to work.

Since these people won’t have any way to get to work they will get on the govt dole and vote democrat.

Gosh I’m smart.


20 posted on 04/08/2014 5:38:30 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: TurboZamboni
RE :”But it turned out that much of the opportunity in places with better schools, lower poverty and less crime is hard to unlock without a car, the study found.”

Here in Maryland they move them from the city to nearby by giving them section 8 then they provide them subsidized bus routes that they charge us taxes for.

I just assume they stay in city and cut my taxes.

21 posted on 04/08/2014 5:39:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: TurboZamboni

The jobs have moved out to suburban malls and office parks, away from inner cities where civilization has ended. And by either luck or design, the bus routes do not go there.

For any person trapped in those areas who truly does want to get a job and start climbing the ladder out of poverty, a car is just about an essential.

There are many faith-based charities where you can donate your old car to help such people.


22 posted on 04/08/2014 5:44:21 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: duckworth; All
How romantic. How superior.

How smelly.

23 posted on 04/08/2014 5:55:58 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: TurboZamboni

Good thing the gov just mandated the use of backup cameras.

We first thought mandating air bags would make cars so expensive that the poor would not be able to afford them.

NOW we can really slam them.

BWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!

(do I really have to say sarc)


24 posted on 04/08/2014 5:58:02 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: TurboZamboni

Good example for you.

A buddy of mine worked in a staffing business. One of his clients was Netflix. Their regional warehouse for mailing out the DVD’s moved from an inner-city location on the bus line out to a brand new office park on the far side of the airport.

Only problem was....for 90% of the staff...they could no longer get there from here.

Which led Netflix to start screaming at my buddy about why he could not fill the building with employees in an affluent, booming suburban area for eight bucks an hour.


25 posted on 04/08/2014 6:23:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: duckworth

If I were to tell one of those liberals how many times I’ve crashed while riding a bike, they’d probably tell me I’m doing it wrong, and to get rid of my mountain bike and get one of those cheap single speed bikes that don’t have any hand brakes.

And I’m so rough on my stuff that I once wrapped the rear derailleur around a spoke.


26 posted on 04/08/2014 6:27:52 AM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: TurboZamboni
Tz Good post....Many of us grew up riding public transportation. It was wasteful to the point of being stupid.

You never could depend on it being on time so you had to get up an hour early so if you missed the first bus you could get to work on time anyway and the same coming home.

If you wanted to go some where you still faced the prospect of a long walk from the stop and the a long walk back in all kinds of weather.

Having a car is the first step out of poverty.

27 posted on 04/08/2014 6:32:38 AM PDT by virgil283
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To: knarf

Isn’t this the most pathetic “study” you’ve heard of? (well, at least this week, and it’s only Tuesday, so the week is young).

Who knew you needed a car in America to travel anywhere? And without one you were stuck in poverty ridden inner cities?

The USA was SO much better off decades ago when it was frugal with its limited resources and didn’t fund crap like this.


28 posted on 04/08/2014 6:36:02 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If You Liked ObamaCare, You'll Love ObamaCar

By Ivan Betinov
11/12/2013
The People's Cube

In an effort to win back the hearts of the American People, the White House today announced its support of the new ObamaCar program.

"Too many Americans are driving substandard cars," said White House Spokesperson Jay Carney during today's press briefing. "In fact, there are a lot of Americans who don't even have cars. That is why the President, by executive order, has initiated the ObamaCar Program."

The new program will see that all Americans, regardless of age, place of residence, or occupation will be required to purchase a vehicle suitable to meet the standards mandated by ObamaCar.

However, Carney was quick to point out that this did not mean that anyone would be forced to give up their favorite ride.

"If you like the car you are driving now, you can keep your car. Period." Carney read from a prepared statement by President Obama. "Nobody is going to take it away from you. Period."

Carney said this means that nobody will be required to purchase a vehicle they do not want or need. Ever. As long as your current vehicle meets ObamaCar standard features, you can drive it as long as you like. Unless the manufacturer decides to recall it.

"But if that happens, don't blame us," Carney said. "That's the free market at work, that's capitalism, at least how we define capitalism, in action. We didn't do that to you."

He went on to state that all auto manufactures will be required to produce only ObamaCar-compliant vehicles.

The ObamaCar will come in two basic models: The Sporty Runabout and the Luxurious Executive Sedan. Both models come equipped with the following standard features:

Log on and order yours today at CarCare.gov!

29 posted on 04/08/2014 6:42:04 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Perfect!

But shouldn’t there be a penalty if you don’t buy one?


30 posted on 04/08/2014 6:44:36 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: TurboZamboni; massmike

say- a couple years ago+ MA Gov Devil Patrick’s admin was awarding cars to a couple dozen central/western MA welfare recipients exactly for these reasons...


31 posted on 04/08/2014 6:49:02 AM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: duckworth

Those same academic nimrods are cutting up busy Wisconsin roads (where we have two seasons....winter and “orange barrel time”)with bike lanes that nobody uses.


32 posted on 04/08/2014 6:53:26 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (No Mo (zilla). I'm going to the Opera instead.)
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To: virgil283
A co-worker stoppped riding the bus for this reason.(breakdowns/undependable)

Apparently transit spent all the bus maintenance $ on shiny new choo choos all over the Twin Cities metro.

33 posted on 04/08/2014 7:13:41 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: TurboZamboni

Mobility is freedom, freedom is power.... Why do you think leftist hate it?


34 posted on 04/08/2014 7:14:18 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Why Do Progressives Love Trains?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2234230/posts


35 posted on 04/08/2014 7:22:06 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: TurboZamboni

Because they live by a world view that peaked in the late 1800s, trains are a nastalgia thing for them... Plus trains like planes do offer mobility, but it is limited, just like buses... sure you can go, but on their schedule and only where they go.

Automobiles give true mobility, you are not dependent on anyone or anything else to get where you want to go... A privately owned network of gas stations are all you need, and you can go wherever and whenever you want. There is nothing that gives an individual freedom and convience that an automobile does when it comes to mobility.


36 posted on 04/08/2014 7:32:38 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Mich Patriot

They’ll get their cars, but won’t use them for work. I worked in a city that was 40% black. My daily commute took me all the way through the city on the freeway, about 16 miles of urbanland total.

The thing that stuck out to me was that during our congregated commute, I rarely saw a black person driving...maybe 5% of drivers. Same thing if I left work during 6 PM rush.

But, if you drove the same stretch of freeway at 10 or 11 PM, which I did at least 3 days a week on my way home from work, there were a disproportionate amount of blacks heading to and fro.

I’m sure there are other factors at play, such as whites living in suburbs, but I always thought the commute disparity was interesting nonetheless.


37 posted on 04/08/2014 10:47:56 AM PDT by Dexter Morgan (Everyone hides who they are.)
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