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GOP Blows Chance To Nail Another ObamaCare Failure
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 04/07/2014 | IBD Staff

Posted on 04/08/2014 6:28:17 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer

Health Care: Republicans pushed a bill that would let small businesses continue to offer high-deductible plans to employees, despite ObamaCare. Sounds like a good idea. So why did the leadership try to hide it?

The original plan for ObamaCare was to force every business with 50 or more employees to provide "affordable" coverage or pay a stiff fine, plus to sharply restrict the plans they could offer by, among other things, capping deductibles at $2,000 for workers.

The cap was little more than a stealth attempt by Democrats to wreck Health Savings Accounts, which trade off high deductibles for tax-free savings accounts that can be used to pay out-of-pocket health costs.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: healthcare; hsas; obamacare; smallbusiness

1 posted on 04/08/2014 6:28:17 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer
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To: IBD editorial writer

It’s not “blowing a chance” when it’s intentional.

The GOP = Socialism Lite.


2 posted on 04/08/2014 6:30:15 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

You only needed the first two words of the headline.


3 posted on 04/08/2014 6:30:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: IBD editorial writer

Oh Ted Cruz!!! He ruined everything standing up there, fighting for the rights of law abiding Americans??

He was supposed to let Obamacare take effect and let the republicans win elections by default, or to not win elections, allowing the RINOs to continue enjoying C of C kickbacks, country club do nothing lives.

Obamacare was supposed to implode It was a great Republican scheme.

They ARE more dangerous than Obama


4 posted on 04/08/2014 6:32:55 AM PDT by stanne
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To: IBD editorial writer

Rush said something to this effect...

“Like that radical Republican Abe Lincoln once said....The best way to revoke a bad law is to enforce it strictly”.

Rush and Abe are right. GOPe working WITH Dims/0bama, yet again.

GOP -> Give 0bama Power

If this was so fantastic, John Bonehead, why’d ya do your vote in secrecy? TRAITOR!


5 posted on 04/08/2014 6:34:16 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: snowrip
It’s not “blowing a chance” when it’s intentional. The GOP = Socialism Lite.

The party of slightly smaller big government

6 posted on 04/08/2014 6:44:09 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: IBD editorial writer

There is so much money to be skimmed off obamacare that the r’s don’t want to end it they simply want to run it, for the party that runs it get’s the biggest slice of the skim.


7 posted on 04/08/2014 6:48:50 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: IBD editorial writer

I read the whole editorial, his point is that the GOP should have held out on this till Obama publicly admitted that part of Obamacare was causing pain and made things worse.

On the other side the Chamber of Commerce is giving Boehner, Cantor and Ryan orders to fix stuff like this NOW!

They don’t want to wait (they want immigration too)


8 posted on 04/08/2014 6:49:36 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: IBD editorial writer

The way I read this, the editorial is happy with the change but unhappy with the execution.

Am I missing something?


9 posted on 04/08/2014 6:51:02 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: stanne

Did Ted Cruz support the change when it was sent to the Senate?


10 posted on 04/08/2014 6:53:02 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: sickoflibs
There is no fix for any of this stuff in Washington. The fix must come from the states.

I find it odd so many still believe it would be a plus for the Republicans to take the Senate. Why?

11 posted on 04/08/2014 6:54:21 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: SoFloFreeper
Correct. Republicans are trying to rescue Health Savings Accounts which Obamacare will utterly destroy. The problem is the Repubs are not hammering Obama with this.

I "love" my HSA. Paying medical expenses with pre-tax income has saved me thousands of dollars. The democrats hate that.

12 posted on 04/08/2014 6:57:13 AM PDT by 10mm
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To: SoFloFreeper

Ted Cruz has, does, and continues to persuade, vote for, and advocate the complete repeal of Obamacare.

What ever change or nuance anyone talks about, regarding this horrible legislation, Ted Cruz has been against.


13 posted on 04/08/2014 7:00:14 AM PDT by stanne
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

There is so much money to be skimmed off obamacare that the r’s don’t want to end it they simply want to run it, for the party that runs it get’s the biggest slice of the skim.


Exactly. The beltway GOP have no intention of ever repealing obamacare “root and branch”. They won’t even vigorously engage obama on it now. There is no evidence the GOP will fight as hard for repeal as the Dems did to ram it through.

The base is being played with these repeal show votes and sadly many are buying it. If the time ever comes to repeal the GOP will move the goal posts on the debate like they always do. They simply don’t care about those being assaulted by obamacare because of all the money to be made selling Main Street down the river.


14 posted on 04/08/2014 7:00:55 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: precisionshootist
RE :”I find it odd so many still believe it would be a plus for the Republicans to take the Senate. Why? “

Considering what happened when they took the house 2011 its easy to imagine.

More infighting and finger pointing in GOP.

More scapegoating and demonizing of GOP congress by Obama.

Starting 2011 Obama and Dems called it the GOP congress so they would be tagged with its failures more than Obama and Dems would.

15 posted on 04/08/2014 7:12:26 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: lodi90

“There is no evidence the GOP will fight as the Dems did to ram it through.”

There is no evidence the GOP will fight. [period]


16 posted on 04/08/2014 7:21:05 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: 10mm; stanne

“I “love” my HSA. Paying medical expenses with pre-tax income has saved me thousands of dollars. The democrats hate that.”

Absolutely YES to HSA! The GOPe is totally worthless. They cannot defend the constitution nor the conservatives especially. Dump Obamacare 100%.

Did anyone see Bonehead Boehner on Megan Kelly last night? I was sickened by his answers, dodging, apologizing and not defending this great Republic. He was arrogant especially when Megan asked him about some GOP NOT wanting him for majority leader. “I’ve heard that before. No one wants answers to IRS, Benghazi and Fast and Furious more than me”.

THAT interview sums him up IMHO. Total BARF Alert.


17 posted on 04/08/2014 7:26:30 AM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense? Cruz our new Churchill?)
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To: Jane Long; lodi90

Rush is right...again. Agreed. GOP are such traitors. Wherever you look. Issa been fiddling for years now. Boner has been letting KlownKare go wherever the Klown wants to take it. As others have pointed out there is just too much potential for money and power for the GOP not to want a cut.


18 posted on 04/08/2014 7:34:32 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 10mm
Correct. Republicans are trying to rescue Health Savings Accounts which Obamacare will utterly destroy. The problem is the Repubs are not hammering Obama with this.

The Media ignores anything good the Pubbies do.

19 posted on 04/08/2014 7:43:36 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: snowrip

Indeed. Our two party system works this way: The Democrats, being bolder, rob the bank. The Republicans drive the getaway car, and both of them laugh at all the voters who they robbed so easily.


20 posted on 04/08/2014 7:46:25 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: IBD editorial writer

They didn’t blow anything.

They are the enemy.

Time to wake up.


21 posted on 04/08/2014 8:22:27 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

They blew the chance to demonstrate the pain of Obamacare early on by voting out the notice to the IRS on purchases of $600 (IIRC) or more. Stupid. If nothing else, why don’t the GOPe get concessions such as cut spending or tax rates, whatever?


22 posted on 04/08/2014 8:24:37 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: IBD editorial writer

The Gelded Old Party will do nothing but prop up CommieCare. Bonor is an idiot.


23 posted on 04/08/2014 8:25:16 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: dfwgator

I agree.


24 posted on 04/08/2014 8:37:25 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Psalm 144

The Democrats, being bolder, get more of the loot from the robbery,

but the Republicans(e) are completely satisfied with their share.


25 posted on 04/08/2014 8:38:55 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: lodi90

We have not given to the gop since they muscled Hathaway out of the primary with lies about his sex life, and anointed the lesbian queen of slime, susan collins.


26 posted on 04/08/2014 9:02:48 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: sickoflibs
How many Senators with an R after their name matters a whole lot less than how many we have in the mold of Ted Cruz. By my count, we maybe have four or five (Cruz, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Mike Lee of Utah, Colbert of Oklahoma, Tim Scott of South Carolina). We need at least a dozen to put the fear into the wavering RINOs and move the conservative agenda forward.

We ought to be able to find at least that many in the southern, Great Plains and Rocky Mountain states.

27 posted on 04/08/2014 9:35:34 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
RE :”How many Senators with an R after their name matters a whole lot less than how many we have in the mold of Ted Cruz. By my count, we maybe have four or five (Cruz, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Mike Lee of Utah, Colbert of Oklahoma, Tim Scott of South Carolina). We need at least a dozen to put the fear into the wavering RINOs and move the conservative agenda forward.”

What if GOPe refuses to fund their races ?
(like I read about in VA race)

Then they will claim that conservatives are unelectable.

28 posted on 04/08/2014 11:57:30 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: sickoflibs

The aforementioned five don’t need the GOPe. Indeed, Cruz and Lee fought against the GOPe to win primaries against the GOPe endorsed opponent. We can’t match the GOPe in money, but we can more than match them in work and votes, especially in conservative states.


29 posted on 04/08/2014 7:21:25 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
RE :”The aforementioned five don’t need the GOPe. Indeed, Cruz and Lee fought against the GOPe to win primaries against the GOPe endorsed opponent. We can’t match the GOPe in money, but we can more than match them in work and votes, especially in conservative states”

This thread blames Ken Cuccinelli’s loss on the GOPe, says they refused to fund his campaign adequately.

GOP Gives Up Virginia To Democrats Instead Of Giving Tea Party and Social Conservatives A Win *Independent Journal Review ^ | November 6, 2013 |)

Those posting comments on it seemed to think the GOPEs $$$ is critical to conservatives elections.

30 posted on 04/08/2014 7:39:03 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: sickoflibs

Honestly speaking, in marginal states like Virginia, GOPe money can and does make the difference.


31 posted on 04/08/2014 8:38:44 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
RE :”Honestly speaking, in marginal states like Virginia, GOPe money can and does make the difference.”

Exactly.

This goes to one of my pet peeves, many times I listen to certain talk radio hosts and they often talk like every state is a red state when they are pitching ‘to do’ stuff, then other times they rule certain states out.

VA is purple and it is heavily dependent on federal contracts as is my socialist state Maryland.

32 posted on 04/09/2014 9:50:53 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: sickoflibs

Yep. But try to tell that to the purists who think Pennsylvania can elect a Ted Cruz. We’re damn lucky to have a Pat Toomey, despite some serious differences I have with him.


33 posted on 04/09/2014 10:17:26 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
RE :”Yep. But try to tell that to the purists who think Pennsylvania can elect a Ted Cruz. We’re damn lucky to have a Pat Toomey, despite some serious differences I have with him.”

That's the crazy part, sometimes they sound like they just want to abandon every state that's not like Texas, other times they sound like they think a Ted Cruz could win in MA or NY.

Also Dems have shown in Maryland and CA that once they take over every significant office(like governor and house and Senate) in a state, they will pass laws that make it impossible for a Republican to win again in that state.

Some seem to have had a fantasy that after total Dem rule the state voters will get fed up and all vote conservative.

34 posted on 04/09/2014 1:53:34 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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