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The Poverty Hoax: Cases of Destitution in America are the Exception.
American Thinker ^ | 04/08/2014 | John Dietrich

Posted on 04/08/2014 7:11:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A major concern of progressives is their supposed interest in the fate of the poor. They purport to be the champions of the poor. But the truth is that they need the poor more than the poor need them, in a symbiotic relationship. As much as 75% of the money allocated to the poor is consumed by the vast bureaucracies that administer this aid.

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What is poverty? The late political scientist Edward Banfield provided four degrees of poverty: destitution, which is lack of income sufficient to assure physical survival and to prevent suffering from hunger, exposure, or remediable or preventable illness; want, which is lack of enough income to support essential welfare; hardship, which is lack of enough to prevent acute persistent discomfort or inconvenience. To this he added a fourth: relative deprivation which is a lack of enough income, status, or whatever else may be valued to prevent one from feeling poor in comparison to others. This last category is elastic enough to include millionaires who covet the possessions and power of billionaires. One important category of poverty Banfield does not mention is psychological or spiritual poverty. This is the most significant form of poverty in an affluent society when physical needs are easily met.

Where do America's "poor" stand in this scale of poverty? In a nation of over 300 million people there are undoubtedly cases of destitution, want and hardship. However, these cases appear to be the exception. As former Secretary of Agriculture Dan Glickman stated, "More people die in the United States of too much food than of too little." According to William Bennett, "Poor people in America have a higher standard of living than middle-class Americans of previous generations."

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: destitution; poverty

1 posted on 04/08/2014 7:11:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
What is poverty?

Therein lies the rub.

All Liberals have to do when they want to increase social spending (which is constantly) is change the definition.
Voila - numbers increase!

Want to use the number of "poor" to bolster your argument?
Change the definition of "poor".

2 posted on 04/08/2014 7:22:00 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: grobdriver

RE: All Liberals have to do when they want to increase social spending (which is constantly) is change the definition.

So, not having a cell phone is poor? Therefore, everyone has a right to an Obamaphone?


3 posted on 04/08/2014 7:23:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are no poor in this country, only those who have less than others.

You want poor? Go to Haiti.


4 posted on 04/08/2014 7:23:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

“Poverty” in the U.S. means qualifying for food stamp, rent subsidy, free health care, free lunches at school, free job training, etc. while you have a flat screen TV with cable, beer in the frog, and can afford cigarettes and trips to the nail salon.

This week in Austin, TX they will be celebrating LBJ’s “War on Poverty, “ which was obviously lost because there are more “Poor” than ever, thanks to LBJ and Obama.


5 posted on 04/08/2014 7:30:59 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

We had a speaker come speak to our Kiwanis chapter about giving money to support a program to send food home with students on weekends. The speaker told us “These kids don’t have food at home and may not get to eat if we don’t send this food”.
My hand shot up. “If these kids are being neglected that badly, shouldn’t Social Services step in?”.
Crickets....
We are giving them food so they can spend that money on cigarettes


6 posted on 04/08/2014 7:35:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: grobdriver
Yep

There are NO poor in America ... imo.

There is food enough, programs enough to buy/provide food ... there is housing available for everyone that needs it and there's money available.


Truthfully, the housing sucks, the food is crap and the money is little, but I could board myself up in a project and eat, be warm and sheltered, watch TV and wither away and die of old age (free health care comes with the deal), and I'll hate my life every day .... but I would not be "poor"


And if I was smart (and I like to think I am), Ill figure a way OUT of that forsaken lifestyle and better myself.

7 posted on 04/08/2014 7:41:45 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Then why are there people still in the bottom quintile, huh, smart guy? Do you think that’s fair?

(/libthink /sarc)


8 posted on 04/08/2014 7:43:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Poverty in the USA = lack of manners, lack of a work ethic, lack of class


9 posted on 04/08/2014 7:46:20 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: txrefugee

When you add up all the free stuff they get the poor are better off than someone that works and makes just enough to not qualify for free stuff.


10 posted on 04/08/2014 7:47:26 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: txrefugee

11 posted on 04/08/2014 7:57:43 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: AppyPappy

The whole America-Is-Hungry campaign to me is a gigantic fraud. Where I live, western Wisconsin, we are constantly subjected to ads for programs to “feed the hungry.” And I always exclaim to the tv set, WHERE????? Where are these hungry, starving people? They sure aren’t anywhere where I go. Just walk through the local Walmarts and try to find these starving people. You’ll see quite the opposite and get the impression a very large pct. of the local population should go a long diet.


12 posted on 04/08/2014 7:58:50 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: MrB

The bottom quintile you will always have with you.


13 posted on 04/08/2014 8:03:04 AM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Excellence

Paraphrasing Jesus, speaking to a crowd of statisticians...


14 posted on 04/08/2014 8:08:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: txrefugee

Many Mexican immigrants have a sixth or eighth grade education because high school costs money that they don’t have.
Here, education through 12th grade is free and college is subsidized for many.


15 posted on 04/08/2014 8:14:32 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: driftless2

Not only that, we have very low unemployment, here.

You don’t need to look in Walmart. I see overflowing carts in Woodman’s, as well, paid for with the debit card. I see very little fresh food in those carts. Now, I know self-supporting folks who put everything on a card for the airfare points, so using a debit card doesn’t mean it’s welfare.

I’d say from informal observation, that 1/3 of of the folks I see on the street here are just genetically programmed to be hefty. At the moment, we have a good friend, educated, eats right, exercises, but cannot get his weight down to where he wants it. His sibling has no problem with weight loss. I think it just depends on what combo of genes you inherit.


16 posted on 04/08/2014 8:15:09 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: MrB
Exactly. It's statistically impossible to not have a bottom quintile, so the Democrats will always have something to complain about.
17 posted on 04/08/2014 8:49:39 AM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: grobdriver

IN the USA, by definition, “Poverty” is a constant: The lower 20% of all incomes.
Doesn’t matter what you have, how well you live, etc. If you are in the lower 20% of US incomes, you are in “poverty.”


18 posted on 04/08/2014 9:06:53 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: driftless2

Here they keep running some kind of give to insure children get milk at home. I thought WIC took care of that.....and food stamps.
I already gave to those programs.


19 posted on 04/08/2014 9:23:32 AM PDT by sheana
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for posting. I think I will save this.
I probably have been in the “hardship” category for most of the past 18 years. I certainly have not been in the”destitute” category and not in the “want” category enough to say so.
For legal purposes, such as bankruptcy hearings, though, the word destitute may be used, so I think there will be widely different definitions. My term for the bottom two is “grinding poverty”, that is, third world type poverty.
I don’t presently have a vehicle, cable or satellite TV or radio or a digital TV. Most of the electronics I have are hand-me-downs. I have a cheap DVD player I got when I was working briefly at a well paying job.

This morning on the John Carlson show they were talking about unionization of college athletes. This one kid was saying he went to bed hungry some nights. There has to be something wrong with that picture. I had to leave to catch a bus so didnt best the end of it.


20 posted on 04/08/2014 9:29:06 AM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Thanks, you just bumped me up to upper middle class.


21 posted on 04/08/2014 9:31:31 AM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: MrB
Then why are there people still in the bottom quintile, huh, smart guy? Do you think that’s fair?
(/libthink /sarc)
As Thomas Sowell points out, there is no shame in having a bottom quintile, if - as is the case in America - being in the bottom quintile is strongly negatively correlated with age. You could have a society in which everyone at any given age made the same amount of money - but in which everyone gets an equal raise annually. In such a society everyone would have identical prospects when born - but there could be more or less radical difference between the lowest-quintile youngsters and the highest-paid seniors.

22 posted on 04/08/2014 1:03:22 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

You took me WAAAAY too seriously.

I was pointing out the intellectual vapidity of the left’s “caring about the pooowuh”.


23 posted on 04/08/2014 1:22:12 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Little Ray

Some 87% of the world’s population lives below the US “poverty line”.
Half the world’s population lives on less than $2/day.
If you’re doing better than 9 out of 10 people on the planet, or even just half, you’re not poor.

Author makes good categories. “Destitution” and “want” are poor; “hardship” and “relative deprivation” are not.

Haiti has poverty, as there is nowhere near enough natural resources to support the population, and moving elsewhere is nigh unto impossible for most. Here, the problem isn’t resources, it’s the will to survive.


24 posted on 04/08/2014 1:44:12 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: dfwgator

Thank You. I lived in southern CA until I was eleven. I used to complain to my dad that I was “tired of being poor” since I didn’t have all the stuff other kids had.

One weekend he put us all in the car and drove us to Tijuana. I never complained again.


25 posted on 04/08/2014 1:50:21 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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To: Excellence

Statiscally of course. Every family in the US could earn $100K a year and there would still be a bottom quintile.


26 posted on 04/08/2014 1:51:48 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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To: MrB
I didn’t overlook the </sarcasm> but I just wanted to assure that no newbie or lurker lacked understanding of the “lowest quintile” non-issue.
27 posted on 04/08/2014 2:09:40 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: All

Shabazz Napier is the name if the person I was trying to think of. Something wrong there. Maybe he just mismanages his money. But his parents could send a care package or a little cash. Worse comes to worse, there are food banks, free meals at churches, etc.


28 posted on 04/08/2014 5:27:15 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: crazycatlady
Dear crazycatlady,

During the school year, Mr. Napier has an all-you-can-eat meal plan at his college, as reported by his college.

Of course, the cafeteria is only open 12 hours per day, so maybe he just gets a little peckish in the very early morning hours before breakfast.


sitetest

29 posted on 04/09/2014 6:26:10 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: SeekAndFind

the media (they are not main stream just well established in NYC’s media hub) is pushing these stories.

Today and yesterday NPR had nothing but glowing praise anecdote stories about the incredible wonderfulness of obamacare. 100% pure boldfaced lies in the face of reality but that did not matter.

(BTW time for NPR’s tax exempt status to end)


30 posted on 04/09/2014 6:29:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: sitetest

Thanks. I was hoping that a thread would be devoted to school athlete unionization issue and Mr. Napier’s problems, but evidently not

These days any time I see a push for unionization of ANYTHING, I assume its because the unions are losing so much influence, they’re trying to grab it where they can.


31 posted on 04/09/2014 2:33:47 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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