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Ukraine crisis: Nato warns Russia against further intervention
BBC ^ | 8 April 2014

Posted on 04/08/2014 8:18:50 AM PDT by McGruff

Nato has warned Russia that further intervention in Ukraine would be a "historic mistake" with grave consequences.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: nato; putin; rasmussen; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; warning; yuliatymoshenko
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1 posted on 04/08/2014 8:18:50 AM PDT by McGruff
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2 posted on 04/08/2014 8:19:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: McGruff

Grave consequences such as “We’ll introduce a REALLY harshly worded resolution to the United Nations!”?


3 posted on 04/08/2014 8:20:05 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: McGruff

Did the draw a red line?


4 posted on 04/08/2014 8:22:44 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: McGruff

NATO is going to suck the US into a situation it can’t get out of. The founding fathers warned against entangling alliances like this one. Let Europe take care of Europe unless there is a compelling national interest!


5 posted on 04/08/2014 8:23:21 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: McGruff

If the Bear movies, you think it cares about the screeches of annoying mosquitoes?


6 posted on 04/08/2014 8:24:19 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dfwgator
Who's scared?

Nato Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen

7 posted on 04/08/2014 8:24:34 AM PDT by McGruff (Want to hurt Mozilla? Don't use Firefox's search bar. That is their money maker.)
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To: Vigilanteman

And Putin’s response to these strongly worded admonitions:

“Yeah? You and what army?”

The rest of Europe is woefully overmatched in any confrontation.

So don’t start something you can’t finish. Or maybe, don’t be writing checks with your mouth your butt can’t cash.


8 posted on 04/08/2014 8:26:28 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: McGruff

Does this mean NATO has accepted Crimea is gone? Sad


9 posted on 04/08/2014 8:26:44 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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10 posted on 04/08/2014 8:27:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: McGruff

Russians are running scared - sanctions do work. Limited air strike in case of further aggression will drive them to panic. For example, a 2-hour long operation could reduce their Black Sea fleet to a pile of rubble, with no significant losses on our side. This thought is slowly creeping into Russian boneheads.


11 posted on 04/08/2014 8:32:54 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Genoa

And this is the side NATO/EU/US/Soros is backing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEdV8aWnu1g


12 posted on 04/08/2014 8:35:46 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: spetznaz

No, it means that communicating with Russians is like talking to a petulant retard with a Down Syndrome: you have to repeat yourself slowly and avoid using big words.


13 posted on 04/08/2014 8:36:11 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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14 posted on 04/08/2014 8:36:51 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: McGruff

I noticed the deer in the headlights look at the video as well. Unfortunately, it alternates with flashes of defiance. Scared, angry and out of ideas equals a very twitchy guy to have a finger on the trigger.


15 posted on 04/08/2014 8:37:47 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Psalm 144

What’s wrong, you don’t like Communists getting good beating?


16 posted on 04/08/2014 8:38:01 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon

So the putschists are Communists?


17 posted on 04/08/2014 8:41:12 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Samogon
My opinion is that any Russian invasion of Ukraine must lead to a protracted war using asymmetrical warfare.

Attack their supply lines. Burn anything not guarded. Force them to commit masses of troops to guard everything.

Plant real and fake mines along invasion routes. Use these sites as ambush locations to attack the Russians.

Prepare snipers to shoot and kill the Russians without getting caught.

Fight no pitched battles. Always escape.

Prepare to assist any Russian wanting to escape this rich man's war of Putin's and this poor man's fight. Help them escape to the West until the Putin's war ends. Treat them like Christians as long as they refuse to kill Ukrainians in the Ukraine.

Destroy bridges ahead of their advance.

Destroy and burn fuel points and ammunition with fires.

Make them pay a huge price in men and materiel.

Be aware of their fifth column. Treat them like spies.

18 posted on 04/08/2014 8:46:42 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Psalm 144

Brush up on your Russian or lay off whatever you are having now. The video shows a chase given to a Communist speaker after he claimed the vandals in South-East are somewhat representative of Ukrainian people.
Geez, those Russian imbeciles...


19 posted on 04/08/2014 8:47:11 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon
No, it means that communicating with Russians is like talking to a petulant retard with a Down Syndrome: you have to repeat yourself slowly and avoid using big words.

Not really. Its more like walking into a biker bar and asking for them to quiet down. Unless you have the ability to force them to quiet down, they are at best going to laugh at you. At worse, you're getting a beating.

Further, it is the person who thinks that their choice of words is the key to achieving the desired result, who is really the petulant retard.

Small side issue, but I've never spoken with a petulant person with Down's.

20 posted on 04/08/2014 8:50:01 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: spetznaz
Does this mean NATO has accepted Crimea is gone?

I guess I missed something. When was the Crimea NATO's in the first place?

21 posted on 04/08/2014 8:50:54 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Vigilanteman

They just waited until it looked like Russia was done to issue their warning.


22 posted on 04/08/2014 8:52:47 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I think your outline is realistic and even orcs of Mordor get it, that is why they are still festering near the border. But also, Ukrainian Army picked up the slack and won’t let them have it easily. Russians rely on overwhelming superiority, otherwise they are clumsy cowards, ready to play dead at any harsh sound.


23 posted on 04/08/2014 8:53:17 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: McGruff

I think I saw him in “Iceman.”


24 posted on 04/08/2014 8:55:06 AM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: SampleMan
Small side issue, but I've never spoken with a petulant person with Down's.
Do you know any Russians?
25 posted on 04/08/2014 8:56:04 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: SampleMan

BTW, the ability is there, we are lacking will to use it.


26 posted on 04/08/2014 8:58:30 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon

I get petulant, but if the Russians are retards, then what are we, as they are outsmarting us at every turn?

They look petulant and smart. It may be an old playbook they are using, but at least they understand it.


27 posted on 04/08/2014 8:59:30 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Samogon
BTW, the ability is there, we are lacking will to use it.

Ability without will is a meaningless distinction. A person willing to use a knife is dangerous, a person unwilling to use a nuclear weapon is harmless.

28 posted on 04/08/2014 9:03:53 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Looking smart? From which side? Turning just barely accepted as almost civilized nation back into an isolated mob of neanderthals with a bomb doesn’t look too smart to me.


29 posted on 04/08/2014 9:09:04 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: McGruff

....demands are only good if one can back them up....


30 posted on 04/08/2014 9:09:14 AM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: elhombrelibre
Stalin was from Georgia, Kruschev was from the Ukraine. They have been part of Russia for centuries.

We should recognize this. Pull NATO out of east Europe, and stop our 25 yr shad en war against the new democratic Russia just so the world can seize and plunder their resources.

Russia is pro family, anti abortion, pro christian, flat tax,etc. They are heading the right way, we're heading for the dumps. For the sake of future generations, the world needs Putin as a leader over the likes of Obama.

31 posted on 04/08/2014 9:16:27 AM PDT by duckln
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To: Samogon

“Limited air strike in case of further aggression will drive them to panic. For example, a 2-hour long operation could reduce their Black Sea fleet to a pile of rubble,”

Leading to a Nuclear exchange, and the end of life as we know it.

Attacking the Black Sea Fleet would justify an IMMEDIATE Nuclear response, most likely against US Forces in the Red Sea or Indiana Ocean.

It would be the hallmark of stupid.


32 posted on 04/08/2014 9:19:24 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: elhombrelibre

“My opinion is that any Russian invasion of Ukraine must lead to a protracted war using asymmetrical warfare.”

And that is a fantasy that simply is not going to happen. Crimea already proved that.


33 posted on 04/08/2014 9:22:18 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Samogon

And they retaliate against western European infrastructure with cruise and intermediate ballistic missiles while cutting off their gas, WWIII. OR attack one of our carrier groups with their diesel electric subs and supersonic cruise missiles, WWIII. What about handing over live nukes to Iran to use against Saudi Arabia and other pro Petro-Dollar oil countries to collapse our suicidally over extended currency, WWIII. We can do this all day but what`s the point.


34 posted on 04/08/2014 9:27:32 AM PDT by nomad
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To: tcrlaf

I hope those new generals OBozo replaced are not that scatter brained.


35 posted on 04/08/2014 9:29:35 AM PDT by nomad
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To: tcrlaf

Personally, my gambit would be to secretly issue nukes to Iran for them to use against Israel and the pro Petro-Dollar Saudi oil alliance. That`d obliterate the dollar, yet still leave a glimmer of hope that WWIII wouldn`t take out the whole world.


36 posted on 04/08/2014 9:34:09 AM PDT by nomad
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37 posted on 04/08/2014 9:44:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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38 posted on 04/08/2014 9:48:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Samogon

So, help me out here. Is this an illustration of Ukrainian security or Ukrainian discourse? Or both? Good thing there were no molotovs handy! The smoke damage would have been prohibitively expensive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEdV8aWnu1g

You state the guy being beaten is a Communist. Is he a Marxist Leninist or Trotskyite? A Maoist? Shining Path? Exactly what makes him a Communist? Were the ones trying to protect him Communists too?

Now I get really confused. Was the crowd beating the Communist composed of the faction which whacked the fat Chechen freedom fighter guy? Remember, the brave fat patriot guy who boldly faced down the dangerous law clerk? This fat guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5vSCGSvf3U

Or were the beaters the ones who vowed to avenge the fat guy on the other putschists? You know - these guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6LZduChpyM

Or were the Ukrainian Communist beaters the ones who -whacked- the fat guy? You know, the police? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POtK0uIx5GI

And if the faction which killed the fat guy are the same ones beating the Communist, does this mean the fat guy was a Communist too?

Oh, one final question, and I appreciate your patience. Is this Ukrainian - Moscow trash - tv guy a Communist too? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5GeBpZ5VHY

What a vivid and vibrant culture! I am impressed. I’ve certainly made up my mind how very much America needs to commit gold, blood, time, energy, fuel and advanced weapons in support of this nation.


39 posted on 04/08/2014 9:53:48 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Samogon
Looking smart? From which side? Turning just barely accepted as almost civilized nation back into an isolated mob of neanderthals with a bomb doesn’t look too smart to me.

When they are standing on your neck, you can point that out to them.

40 posted on 04/08/2014 9:54:07 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Not really. Russia acts as bully as long as we let her. Any show of strength and resolve would make them run and hide. As delusional and suicidal Russians can be, they realize that there is no winning against superior force. Their weapons are mostly junk, and they know that.


41 posted on 04/08/2014 9:58:17 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: McGruff; Sub-Driver

Meanwhile, ObozoFizzle continues to shred our military power:

U.S. to trim air, sea and land nuke launchers under U.S.-Russia treaty: officials

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3142102/posts


42 posted on 04/08/2014 10:00:04 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks McGruff. Sidebar:

U.S. to trim air, sea and land nuke launchers under U.S.-Russia treaty: officials
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3142102/posts


43 posted on 04/08/2014 10:01:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Samogon

“Any show of strength and resolve would make them run and hide.”

Already too late for that.

And while the West is technologically superior, is there really a will to use it in Ukraine? I don’t see it.

The Ukrainians have to stand up for themselves first, and other than the Northwest radicals, we haven’t seen any real signs that they are willing to do so.


44 posted on 04/08/2014 10:06:48 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Psalm 144

“The Communist guy” is actually the Chief of Ukrainian Communist Party.
As for the rest of your opus - you are just looking for dirt on Ukraine and Ukrainians. You could save time and effort by turning on Russia Today or another Kremlin trumpet - they do just that for you and yours. Heil Putin, comrade!


45 posted on 04/08/2014 10:08:00 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: tcrlaf

You are correct that Ukrainians need to stand up for themselves first to count on any significant help from the West. On the other hand, letting Russia continue the Reconquista clearly endangers world peace.
We’ll wait and see...


46 posted on 04/08/2014 10:13:55 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon
Tell that to the Germans and Napoleon.
47 posted on 04/08/2014 10:19:27 AM PDT by hotsteppa
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To: SampleMan

Oh, no - Russians coming?!
I think my neck is as safe as yours, thanks for your concern. And it will be if we start recognizing the danger of this dying dinosaur, instead of trumpeting it’s brutishness as some kind of a Conservative beacon.


48 posted on 04/08/2014 10:19:37 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: hotsteppa

Why? Let the 60 Million dead Russians speak for themselves.


49 posted on 04/08/2014 10:20:47 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon

“Their weapons are mostly junk, and they know that.”

That is why they have this insane policy http://thebulletin.org/why-russia-calls-limited-nuclear-strike-de-escalation


50 posted on 04/08/2014 10:21:13 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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