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The game is up for climate change believers
Telegraph (UK) ^ | 06 Apr 2014 | Charles Moore

Posted on 04/08/2014 1:17:58 PM PDT by neverdem

Most of us pay some attention to the weather forecast. If it says it will rain in your area tomorrow, it probably will. But if it says the same for a month, let alone a year, later, it is much less likely to be right. There are too many imponderables.

The theory of global warming is a gigantic weather forecast for a century or more. However interesting the scientific inquiries involved, therefore, it can have almost no value as a prediction. Yet it is as a prediction that global warming (or, as we are now ordered to call it in the face of a stubbornly parky 21st century, “global weirding”) has captured the political and bureaucratic elites. All the action plans, taxes, green levies, protocols and carbon-emitting flights to massive summit meetings, after all, are not because of what its supporters call “The Science”. Proper science studies what is – which is, in principle, knowable – and is consequently very cautious about the future – which isn’t. No, they are the result of a belief that something big and bad is going to hit us one of these days.

Some of the utterances of the warmists are preposterously specific. In March 2009, the Prince of Wales declared...

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Last week, the latest IPCC report made the usual warnings about climate change, but behind its rhetoric was a huge concession. The answer to the problems of climate change lay in adaptation, not in mitigation, it admitted. So the game is up.

Scientists, Rupert Darwall complains, have been too ready to embrace the “subjectivity” of the future, and too often have a “cultural aversion to learning from the past”. If they read this tremendous book they will see those lessons set out with painful clarity.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: agw; climatechange; cult; globalwanking; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; ipcc; rupertdarwall
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1 posted on 04/08/2014 1:17:58 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Try telling them that. It’s a religion to these guys.


2 posted on 04/08/2014 1:20:05 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: neverdem

This whole thing, the “do you believe in global warming” charade, will go down in history as one of the biggest scams ever.


3 posted on 04/08/2014 1:20:27 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: neverdem

Greenland was a tropical paradise, by the way, before humans started driving cars. That is a fact, people.


4 posted on 04/08/2014 1:20:34 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: neverdem
What about the money I paid for carbon credits ?

Will algore redeem my credits ?

5 posted on 04/08/2014 1:22:37 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: neverdem

No tree-hugger has been able to successfully answer my question.

“What’s the temperature supposed to be?”


6 posted on 04/08/2014 1:23:39 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!!!)
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To: knarf

Yeah, he already redeemed them...

Have you seen the size of his mansion?

Now THAT’S redeeming!


7 posted on 04/08/2014 1:23:54 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

and the Garden of Eden was beautiful and available to everyone until Eve said, “Go ‘head ... it won’t hurt you”


8 posted on 04/08/2014 1:24:06 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: neverdem
The answer to the problems of climate change lay in adaptation, not in mitigation, it admitted. So the game is up.

While efforts at mitigation required draconian (and unnecessary) economic changes, I suspect that they will insist on adaptation prior to the actual climate change. Thus, they will stay in the driver's seat trying to exert their inordinate control on the rest of us.

9 posted on 04/08/2014 1:24:33 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: PapaNew

That’s why they won’t listen, and never listen to anyone about any of the issues they support -

because their righteousness is wrapped up in these issues,
and you’re attacking that righteousness when you point out the
invalidity of the issues they support.


10 posted on 04/08/2014 1:25:07 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Stupid me ... I forgot ... I don’t even have Tommy’s bumper


11 posted on 04/08/2014 1:25:08 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

the temperature is supposed to be “nice”


12 posted on 04/08/2014 1:25:42 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: neverdem
"Scientists... too often have a “cultural aversion to learning from the past”.

I would go further. Based on personal and professional experience I would say that for a scientist, who has a formed opinion on a given subject in his field, to change his opinion based on however much empirical data you want to bring, is exceedingly rare.

The average scientist holds to his opinions as dogmatically as the most zealous ideologue. "Climate science" is a prime example. This is what Kuhn identified as the power of the paradigm.

13 posted on 04/08/2014 1:26:27 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: neverdem

They will never, never admit they were wrong.

They will attempt to re-write the laws of physics, even the laws of mathematics they do that.

If necessary, they will attempt to undermine all of science rather than admit their errors, because that will mean that they are dupes, which in turn will mean that they are stupid fools.

It will take a revolt from other scientific disciplines before the emperor will be seen to have no clothes.

There will be some who will maintain their denial stance until they die. Lie till you die.


14 posted on 04/08/2014 1:30:54 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: elhombrelibre

Without A DOUBT!Makes Social Security Look Like It Actually Works!!!!!!!!!!!!!


15 posted on 04/08/2014 1:30:57 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: neverdem

But legislators will continue to pass laws favoring the demands of the “global warming” and “climate change” crowd because they are willing to pay big bucks for it and our politicians need money to stay in the game.

I fear that Algore and his ilk will continue to do well.


16 posted on 04/08/2014 1:31:25 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: neverdem

Wishful thinking right now. They will never let the scam go.

However, I watch the Cryosphere today website and some interesting things are going on.

Antarctica sea ice continues to grow like mad. Right now it is 33% (+1.298 Million Sq miles) above normal.

In the Arctic the Sea ice continues to recover and right now it is only 4% (600,000 sq miles) below normal.

Combined world sea ice is 4% above normal(Arctic is coming off it’s max, while Antarctic near min).

What is interesting though is not all areas of the Arctic are down, some are even above normal. The areas that seem to be down are the ones that always melt away by July anyhow (i.e. Sea of Okhotsk) but the ones that are normal or better seem to ones that don’t melt (i.e. the Arctic Basin).

What this means is by the summer, the Arctic sea ice might go above normal for the first time in a long while.

Of course anything can happen and who knows, but if the Arctic sea ice goes above normal and stays above normal, then the Alarmist are going to have a real hard time explaining that away.


17 posted on 04/08/2014 1:32:05 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: dontreadthis

BZZZZZTTTT!!

That’s not a number.


18 posted on 04/08/2014 1:32:12 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!!!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
No tree-hugger has been able to successfully answer my question.

“What’s the temperature supposed to be?”

If you check out the geologic history of the earth, you would find that permanent ice as it exists in Greenland and Antarctica exists only about 5% of the time. So the answer is:

"A lot warmer than it is now."

Even worse, the tree huggers cannot answer the following questions:

1. Why did mile thick sheets of ice come to cover substantial parts of the Northern Hemisphere starting about 250,000 years ago?

2. Why did those ice sheets melt?

3. Why were Vikings able to raise cattle in Greenland 1000 years ago, when it is now too cold to do so?

19 posted on 04/08/2014 1:33:28 PM PDT by henkster (I don't like bossy women telling me what words I can't use.)
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To: neverdem

Heresy Trials for the Warmists!

An Inquisition must be initiated!

Pillories and Stakes!

Hey, we can play that game too...most of us are Protestant, we remember how it’s done


20 posted on 04/08/2014 1:33:49 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: knarf

I think the garden of Eden was a metaphor. In reality, Bush Jr. introduced the SUV and told Eve it’s OK to drive it. Then she started the first Gulf War just for the oil change, but told Adam to drive her there and pay for it with his Kapitalist credit card. Anyway, I could go on and on about this but you see my point.


21 posted on 04/08/2014 1:34:32 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: knarf

But only after the Serpent told Eve: “Take a bite — you’ll like the taste of it.”


22 posted on 04/08/2014 1:34:32 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: neverdem

Bottom line: it is a direct attack on middle class American wealth and prosperity.

We should be absolutely certain that it is true before we burden Americans with increased food costs, heating costs, gasoline costs, your son’s tennis shoes,.......everything.


23 posted on 04/08/2014 1:34:54 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: PapaNew

It actually is a religion...calLed BAHAI


24 posted on 04/08/2014 1:35:59 PM PDT by Therapsid
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To: Steely Tom
They will attempt to re-write the laws of physics, even the laws of mathematics they do that.

If necessary, they will attempt to undermine all of science rather than admit their errors, because that will mean that they are dupes, which in turn will mean that they are stupid fools.

Dark Matter.

25 posted on 04/08/2014 1:39:02 PM PDT by henkster (I don't like bossy women telling me what words I can't use.)
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To: qam1

Normal? What is normal. Only I will define normal! We are offended by your presence. Go away.

Yup, i am a real bad azz!


26 posted on 04/08/2014 1:44:03 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: neverdem

Well, 93 percent of some scientists from the climatology field of experimental weather models say anthropogenic warming is happening, and they get paid to research it. Who ya’ gonna’ believe, the weather, or paid experts?


27 posted on 04/08/2014 1:48:41 PM PDT by pallis
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To: neverdem

bookmark


28 posted on 04/08/2014 1:48:46 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: neverdem

until the average temperature throughout the USA is 100 degrees in July/August, I ain’t falling for this BS either.


29 posted on 04/08/2014 1:52:27 PM PDT by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: 353FMG
...the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken In Defense of Women (1918)
30 posted on 04/08/2014 1:58:46 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

A law was made a distant moon ago here:
July and August cannot be too hot.
And there’s a legal limit to the snow here
...
The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot.
By order, summer lingers through September
...
The rain may never fall till after sundown.
By eight, the morning fog must disappear.


31 posted on 04/08/2014 2:02:44 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MrB
I think you're right. The buzz words and "righteousness" of "environmental sustainability" and Agenda 21. To exercise this "righteousness" they need to have or invent a major problem on which to capitalize. It's not unlike Socialism/Marxism which also sees every real or imagined problem as an opportunity and excuse for more government. The religion of both - their agenda - comes before the respect and dignity of the God-given freedom of individuals to live their lives. It's the anti-Christian view that man was made for earth and is secondary to it vs. the Christian view that God made the earth as a gift to man and to bless man.

It's really a religion that excludes God and puts man as the "savior." There's no faith at all in the all-sufficient provision of a God who created the world for man and supplied it with enough to sustain a completely populated earth, which is originally what he gave Adam to do.

It actually comes down a faith-based knowledge/belief that God has created the earth for man and has supplied more than enough to sustain its present and any future population -

- OR -

- the fear-based belief in some arbitrary point where the earth will no longer sustain its population.

If you drill down far enough, you tap into the spirit of anti-Christ. Sooner or later, this will usher in the end of the age.

32 posted on 04/08/2014 2:03:02 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: neverdem

——adaptation——

This is irony at it’s best. Moonbats can’t or won’t adapt.

Does that mean they are becoming conservatives? It is conservatives that like the old ways and are accused of having problems adapting.


33 posted on 04/08/2014 2:06:46 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: elhombrelibre

They’ll be remembered like the “Earth is the center of the solar system’ and ‘leeches make good medicine’ crowds. Conformity, not wanting to think for yourself - not of such great value in science. Or music. Or anything.


34 posted on 04/08/2014 2:11:13 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: neverdem
I wish more Americans realized that “climate change” is another attempt of the left to destroy the middle class, especially the white middle class. Liberals profess their love for the middle class, but they despise them. Just like 0bamacare, the Nostrildomis-Malarkey cap-n-tax bill would have been a disaster for the middle class.
35 posted on 04/08/2014 2:13:51 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

The Sahara Desert was once a lush jungle. From

http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html

Quote: “The climate change at [10,500 years ago] which turned most of the [3.8 million square mile] large Sahara into a savannah-type environment happened within a few hundred years only, certainly within less than 500 years,” said study team member Stefan Kroepelin of the University of Cologne in Germany.

That climate change existed 10,500 to 7,300 years ago before the Sahara turned into a desert, had nothing to do with people (or cars). Climate change comes from the Sun!


36 posted on 04/08/2014 2:18:04 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: bboop
Conformity, not wanting to think for yourself - not of such great value in science. Or music. Or anything.

It's a great value for those who serve government.

37 posted on 04/08/2014 2:20:59 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: PapaNew

American Citizen of 1776: “Who will protect me from the ravages of indigents (indians) or the attack of the European armies?”

Constitution: “Protection of enemies foreign and domestic.”

Citizen: “Who, then, will protect me when I am hungry, am assailed by thieves and murderers or attacked by other citizens for my land?”

Constitution: 2A, The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


38 posted on 04/08/2014 2:29:54 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The Acronym explains the science.)
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To: roadcat

No, that was all due to SUVs.

They are so evil that they can cause climate change even prior to their invention.


39 posted on 04/08/2014 2:35:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
"Greenland...tropical paradise"

I'm very curious about that period. I find it difficult to believe other northern areas didn't experience the same kind of warming. And if the northern climes all warmed (as I think they did), why is there no record of flooding on the coasts of Europe with many seaside habitations inundated by flood water as the Warmists claim would occur by substantially warmer temps?

But the Warmists refuse to discuss that period of time. If they acknowledge that vast swings in temps can occur with minimal or no human involvement, their whole shaky theory crashes down.

40 posted on 04/08/2014 2:49:52 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: MrB
Interesting post I just saw that continues to confirm "the riches and sustainability of the earth," enviro-nazis notwithstanding:

Discovery of vast volumes of water trapped 410 to 660 kilometres beneath Earth’s surface, between the upper and lower mantle

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140312150229.htm

41 posted on 04/08/2014 2:54:18 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: neverdem
This photo appears in the article.

The caption: "Power station emitting steam and smoke."

They look like cooling towers for a nuclear reactor, where, as far as I know, there is no smoke.

Does anyone know if fossil fuel power plants use towers like this?

If no, then this photo is a serious error.

I completely agree with the author's point of view.

But, once again, it looks like carelessness, probably by an editor, has given the Global Warmers a perfect chance to mock us, the Warming Skeptics.


42 posted on 04/08/2014 3:03:03 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Yes.

Actually, the presumption of the Constitution is that the right to bear arms and all the other freedoms we possess are already ours. The Constitution doesn't provide them because they are God-given and already belong to us.

Notice how the first ten amendments are written. "The right...shall not be infringed, abridged, etc." They simply confirm what is already ours. They are written to tell government that they cannot touch the rights and freedoms that are already ours - that which the Constitution itself does not specifically enumerate as a delegated power to the federal government belong to the states and the people (10A). Of course throughout the centuries, these have been misconstrued and twisted to be thought of as rights given by these Amendments. But these amendments are not written that way.

The Constitution was written with the presumptions contained in the Declaration of Independence: that all men "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." The DOI is a presumption of and carries persuasive authority in the Constitution becasue of its close ties both in time and authorization.

43 posted on 04/08/2014 3:18:56 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: zeestephen
That looks a lot like the smoke coming off of this windfarm...

 photo offshore_hdt_019op.jpg

44 posted on 04/08/2014 5:29:06 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Steely Tom
They will never, never admit they were wrong. They will attempt to re-write the laws of physics, even the laws of mathematics they do that. If necessary, they will attempt to undermine all of science rather than admit their errors, because that will mean that they are dupes, which in turn will mean that they are stupid fools. It will take a revolt from other scientific disciplines before the emperor will be seen to have no clothes. There will be some who will maintain their denial stance until they die. Lie till you die.

Reminds me of the government representatives who descended on GM during the bail out. They were describing their vision of the perfect car, and the engineers said that couldn't be done; it would go against the laws of physics. Their response was, "What are those laws. We can change them in Congress." That's the mentality we're dealing with.
45 posted on 04/08/2014 5:44:31 PM PDT by klgator
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To: knarf

You still got those old fashion carbon credits?

I traded mine in for Bit-carbons, they only exist on
the internet so I don’t have to worry about the future.


46 posted on 04/08/2014 5:51:18 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: neverdem

global warming is a hoax that democrats created to justify the growth of government

If you made $100,000 per year after taxes then you could buy anything you could ever need in the free market because someone would produce it for money( look at the millions of products for sale on Google , internet , ebay , amazon,Walmart, Dollar Tree etc etc). So we don’t need government for ANYTHING. private industry created a whole city DISNEY WORLD in Florida. So democrats create fake crisis like “global warming”,”no health insurance crisis” to justify the very existence of government and the continued growth of government(socialism)


47 posted on 04/08/2014 5:58:21 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: digger48

Wow, that’s an awesome picture, and a great one liner.


48 posted on 04/08/2014 6:07:08 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

wouldn’t stirring up all of that moisture as it heads inland have an effect on the weather?


49 posted on 04/08/2014 7:00:18 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48
I would think so.

Also, where I live, “wind” is the mortal enemy of fog.

In that picture, however, it looks like the man-made wind is creating the fog.

50 posted on 04/08/2014 7:17:43 PM PDT by zeestephen
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