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Do illegal immigrants have an obligation to obey laws banning them from entering the United States?
The Washington Post's The Volokh Conspiracy ^ | April 7, 2014 | Professor Ilya Somin, George Mason Univ. School of Law

Posted on 04/08/2014 9:28:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

One oft-made argument against illegal immigration is that it is morally wrong simply because it is illegal. Immigrants have an obligation to obey the law. If they violate it by entering the country illegally, that by itself is enough justification for deporting them, regardless of whether their illegal entry actually harms anyone or not. In an interesting recent Fox News interview, former Florida governor and possible Republican presidential contender Jeb Bush takes issue with some aspects of this argument:

Jeb Bush said the debate over immigration reform needs to move past derisive rhetoric describing illegal immigrants.

The former Florida governor said in an interview Sunday in College Station, Texas, that people who come to the United States illegally are often looking for opportunities to provide for their families that are not available in their home countries.

“Yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love, it’s an act of commitment to your family,” Bush told Fox News host Shannon Bream at town hall event at the George Bush Presidential Library Center….

“I honestly think that is a different kind of crime, that there should be a price paid, but it shouldn’t rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families,” he said.

“I think we need to kind of get beyond the harsh political rhetoric to a better place.”

In contrast to many critics of illegal immigration, Bush recognizes that the reasons why illegal immigrants violate the law matter to any moral evaluation of their actions. Those reasons might be irrelevant from a standpoint that condemns all illegality equally, regardless of the situation. But few Americans actually endorse any such position....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bush; illegals; immigration; jebbush; lawlessness

1 posted on 04/08/2014 9:28:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who cares? As long as they’re arrested and deported the law is being served.


2 posted on 04/08/2014 9:30:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Please! They no more feel an obligation to follow the law when they first cross the border anymore then they feel an obligation to follow the law after they cross the border.


3 posted on 04/08/2014 9:32:08 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they belonged to a Christian church, you would think that they would know how immoral their life becomes when they smuggle themselves into a foreign country and flaunt it’s laws and become a part of a community of criminals and stolen documents, forgery, and a life built on lies and crime.

It isn’t just a single immoral act, it is a premeditated choosing of a criminal lifestyle, a long term commitment to living wrong.


4 posted on 04/08/2014 9:35:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gosh, what an asinine question. Of course they do. If for no other reason than international law and national Sovereignty .


5 posted on 04/08/2014 9:36:09 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

if they don’t nobody can argue why any americans have to obey any mexican laws while’in mexico.


6 posted on 04/08/2014 9:36:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: TigersEye

ummm, you know that is not happening, right? or did i miss the sarc...?


7 posted on 04/08/2014 9:41:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; xzins
Yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love, it’s an act of commitment to your family,” Bush told Fox News

Robbing a bank to take care of your family could also be considered an act of love. Embezzling from a large company might not hurt anyone and if it is done as a commitment to your family then that could be considered an act of love.

Murdering your cheating husband to get insurance money to send your kids to college could be considered an act of love.

Jeb Bush has disqualified himself from ever again holding public office of any kind.

8 posted on 04/08/2014 9:43:09 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I know it's not happening but it's not sarcasm. It's my answer to the title question. It's what it ought to be along with this.

Do those things and illegal aliens will deport themselves and pay for the trip.

9 posted on 04/08/2014 9:50:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey what the heck, we don't need laws. Nobody seems inclined to obey them so let's do away with them. Do away with laws, lawyers, lawmakers, law enforcement officers. Heck we can all just do what we want. Don't want to pay taxes, well, it's just an act of love wanting to take care of your loved ones. Want that new Escalade? Just take it, after all, it's an act of love.

I can not tell you how sickened I am about the so called leaders of this country encouraging lawlessness.

10 posted on 04/08/2014 9:55:48 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: TigersEye

“Who cares? As long as they’re arrested and deported”

Right. Those in the executive branch of our government are elected and paid to execute our laws. It is not their prerogative to enforce only those laws that favor their constituencies, while ignoring those laws that they don’t like.


11 posted on 04/08/2014 9:59:47 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: haroldeveryman
I'm confused. I thought the Attorney General just said that
he has "vast discretion" as to which laws he will enforce!?! /s
12 posted on 04/08/2014 10:06:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They have an obligation to do an act of love, and stay the F out. Come to America the legal way.


13 posted on 04/08/2014 10:07:32 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually they are breaking Mexico law as in the 1917 Mexican Constitution which does not allow Mexican citizens to leave Mexico without first getting written permission from their local consulate.

Double jeopardy flouted by both govts.


14 posted on 04/08/2014 10:07:39 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: McGavin999
If you don't like the laws you can just ignore the laws.

If you don't like your health care law you can just rewrite your health care law.
(If you're The Won)

15 posted on 04/08/2014 10:09:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are hungry for a better life and the border is wide open. The GOP when in control did not deal with the issue. The DEMS won’t deal with the issue.

Meanwhile you have high school grads that have gone all the way through school from kindergarten and they are called illegal.

The ones that should be deported are the ones in Congress for creating a giant, collasal, humungous mess.


16 posted on 04/08/2014 10:09:57 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: ansel12

Your post is complete and total BS, no offense intended.


17 posted on 04/08/2014 10:11:22 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Oh the visual of Linsie Graham and Bohner and Cantor getting deported, just pouf, you gotta go is amusing.

Like in the “Holy Grail” when the guy answers the troll’s question wrong, after ansering a few very complicated questions right, he says red is his favorite color, “no, it’s blue... ARRGH!” Off he goes with the force of an unseen authority.

LOL


18 posted on 04/08/2014 10:35:40 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When an illegal enters the country it puts the country in danger for the simple fact that the illegal could be anybody, from a serial killer, rapist, robber, terrorist, or somebody carrying a plague like disease, you just don’t know. Protection of the country is why we have an immigration system, and anytime someone bypasses that or supports it they are making a direct threat toward the country.

I like to tell liberals “Leave your door wide open at night and post signs all over town telling people anybody can walk in while you are sleeping and tell me if you think that is safe” Illegal immigration is the SAME thing and any politician who supports that is not only breaking his oath of office but is also committing TREASON.

Idiots like Jeb Bush should look at websites like this:

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp


19 posted on 04/08/2014 10:45:15 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: ansel12

Great post .


20 posted on 04/08/2014 11:10:41 PM PDT by Finalmente
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To: gunsequalfreedom

It’s hard to be offended when you didn’t say anything that made any sense.

Can you try to explain what you are trying to say?


21 posted on 04/08/2014 11:28:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Secret Agent Man

If you have ever spent much time in Mexico, then you would probably not want to risk being picked up for anything, innocent or guilty.


22 posted on 04/08/2014 11:30:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Oh my gosh, it must be me. That’s the second time I heard that today.


23 posted on 04/08/2014 11:33:02 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: haroldeveryman
It is not their prerogative to enforce only those laws that favor their constituencies, while ignoring those laws that they don’t like.

Well according to Holder's testimony before the House this week, it is the prerogative of the Executive and his cabinet to decide what laws to enforce or ignore.

24 posted on 04/08/2014 11:51:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah Jeb, they ‘lovingly’ pissed on our immigration laws because of their ‘love’ for our money.

Screw you Jeb.


25 posted on 04/09/2014 12:31:30 AM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: TigersEye

That is what needs to happen, along with cutting off paying for their kids’ schooling, medical, EIC and all the rest.


26 posted on 04/09/2014 12:51:02 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do US citizens have an obligation to obey the laws the United States?


27 posted on 04/09/2014 3:45:50 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: TigersEye

Why would an illegal obey any laws?
They broke a law to get here.
The government should put a “Dead or Alive” bounty on them. It would not take long for them to realize the folly of coming here.


28 posted on 04/09/2014 4:26:15 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Jeff Bush loves undocumented immigrants, but, where is his love for the millions of Americans unemployed? There are 91 million Americans out of the work force.

Thanks to Obama we have the lowest participation in the work force since the 1970’s and some demagogues want to open wide our borders to hundreds of millions around the world who would love to enjoy the American dream... but that dream is becoming in an American nightmare for those born here and those who came legally to enjoy our way of life loving the U.S. as much as their country of birth.

What is even more aggravating is that people who entered the country illegally are demanding rights and privileges that American citizens do not enjoy and they did not dare to demand from the government of their own country.

California used to be the richest state of America. Now it is almost bankrupt. Anybody can see the result of uncontrolled illegal immigration, and companies are leaving to Texas, Florida and other red states with less taxes and better incentives to invest and prosper.

In fact, unemployment is now lower in Mexico than in U.S.; perhaps Americans will start moving south.


29 posted on 04/09/2014 10:15:51 AM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Dqban22

That’s another thing: Liberals keep complaining about low minimum wage yet they support cheap labor by way of illegals which warps supply and demand.


30 posted on 04/09/2014 10:30:08 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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