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Haley Barbour: Jeb Bush stance like Reaganís
Politico ^ | 4/8/14 | UCY MCCALMONT

Posted on 04/09/2014 8:04:40 AM PDT by jimbo123

Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour defended Jeb Bush’s recent comments that some illegal immigration is an “act of love,” saying it’s very similar to what former President Ronald Reagan thought.

“What people want you to do: Tell the truth,” Barbour said Tuesday at the LBJ Presidential Library’s Civil Rights Summit. “And if Jeb feels that way about it — it sort of reminds me of my boss, Ronald Reagan.”

Barbour, who was an aide in Reagan’s administration described what the president used to call the “gates test” during a panel Tuesday with Democratic San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro.

“Ronald Reagan used to say, ‘When the ‘Blame America first’ crowd gets out of hand, then you need to apply the gates test,’” Barbour said.

The former governor recalled asking what Reagan meant by the gates test and said his reply was: “’The gates test: Drop all the gates everywhere in the world and see which way people run. They run to America.’”

“And that’s what Jeb is saying to me, that this is the place, for good reason,” Barbour said. “And we ought to be proud of it, that when you apply the gates test, that people want to come here.”

“That message has the benefit of being true,” Barbour added. “Whether everybody will take that same tact, that’s neither here nor there. But it’s very similar to what Ronald Reagan thought.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; chamberofamnesty; chamberofcommerce; cheaplabor; florida; gope; haleybarbour; jeb4amnesty; jebbush; mexico; mississippi; politico; rinos4ratmajority; rnc; vichyrepublicans
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The GOP-e amnesty pimps are losing it.
1 posted on 04/09/2014 8:04:40 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

I think they have reached a point where they are desperate enough or confident enough to go for broke. I think they are confident.

That they were able to get most conservatives to vote for Willard, and able to crush most threatening conservatives sonce 2010 has emboldened them.


2 posted on 04/09/2014 8:06:40 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: jimbo123

The only thing he left out in his GOP-e statemenmt was:

“And all the polls show that only Jeb Bush could win against Hillary...”


3 posted on 04/09/2014 8:07:16 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama takes a selfie. Putin takes Crimea.)
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To: Psalm 144
I think they have reached a point where they are desperate enough or confident enough to go for broke. I think they are confident.

They are confident - they know the big money is coming their way, so they have little to fear from upstarts.

4 posted on 04/09/2014 8:08:03 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: jimbo123

Sell any pardons lately, Haily?


5 posted on 04/09/2014 8:09:28 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; a man who respects it has earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: jimbo123

I really cannot stand these people ;/


6 posted on 04/09/2014 8:10:25 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: jimbo123

IIRC, Reagan said he later regretted signing the 1986 amnesty.


7 posted on 04/09/2014 8:11:45 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sell any pardons lately, Haily?

He did it out of love.

8 posted on 04/09/2014 8:12:32 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: jimbo123

Defend all you want, but I’ll not vote for another RINO.

Ever.

Why vote for someone who’ll only slow our descent into serfdom? May as well go for the full vertical crash and perhaps we can rectify things with the full civil war that’ll follow.


9 posted on 04/09/2014 8:12:34 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: jimbo123
Haley Barbour: Jeb Bush stance like Reagan’s

GAG!
10 posted on 04/09/2014 8:14:04 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TurboZamboni

The Roman Empire later regretted giving amnesty and citizenship to all of the Barbarians in 212 AD.


11 posted on 04/09/2014 8:15:37 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Traitors


12 posted on 04/09/2014 8:16:43 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: jimbo123

Reagan who? Not THE President Reagan. Haley needs to put down the Cracker Jack box. The prize isn’t worth the lie.


13 posted on 04/09/2014 8:19:00 AM PDT by madison10
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To: jimbo123

Haley Barbour is the archetype of a political whore. The guy is in a leadership position in Zuckerberg’s fake conservative astro-turf group pushing for amnesty and opening the gates.


14 posted on 04/09/2014 8:24:35 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: jimbo123

Stuff it Haily.

Jeb Bush isn’t Reagan and this was one of Reagan’s few mistakes. And even with Reagan, had his one time “amnesty” been followed by active imposition of the restrictions he approved along with it, we wouldn’t be facing this problem today.

My guess is even more illegal crossed our borders under Bush I and Bush II than under the current idiot, and we can expect to see a lot more if Bush III ever gets in office. The Bushes had a policy of doing NOTHING to stop the invasion of illegals across the Mexican Border. In fact, under Bush II, there was a de facto CONTINUAL amensty.

He should read “The Camp of the Saints”


15 posted on 04/09/2014 8:29:55 AM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: jimbo123

I am filled with compassion, but there has to be law enforcement on the border and in the interior. Multiple laws are being violated.

When Obama refers to our “broken system” of immigration, he is using euphemisms to cover up the fact that his Justice Department is not enforcing the laws. There is nothing wrong with the current laws, the laws on the book are being ignored by the illegal aliens and by the government agencies charged with upholding the laws.

Upon arrival, the illegal aliens continue to break other laws frequently. Housing laws relating to occupancy limits. Drunk driving laws (why am I always find discarded bottles and cans of Mexican imported beer when I clean the street?), etc.

No vote for “Open Borders” Jeb.


16 posted on 04/09/2014 8:30:37 AM PDT by PBRCat
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To: jimbo123

There is more than a feint whiff of B.S. to this claim.

In fact, it is insulting to every free thinking conservative to assume that we would actually consider taking it seriously.


17 posted on 04/09/2014 8:33:22 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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To: jimbo123
Reagan bargained for enforcement. The Dem's undermined it and it never happened. Reagan believed it would happen and that is the difference between Jeb and Reagan. Jeb is either an idiot or a part of the problem. I would say the latter is the obvious choice. No more Bush's no way.
18 posted on 04/09/2014 8:35:25 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: jimbo123
Jeb Bush stance like Reagan’s

Then Reagan was wrong. Reagan may have been a good President but he didn't walk on water.

19 posted on 04/09/2014 8:36:10 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: TurboZamboni

it’s an apples/oranges comparison. I have no problem accepting the truth of the “gates test”. I also have no problem accepting Bush’s statement that people come to the US illegally as an act of love.

But put the two together and it’s very much an argument for strict and high standards on immigration. Not a “throw the doors open and let everyone in” one.

We’re a nation of immigrants, one where each successive wave of i (legal) immigrants has, by and large, brought something unique that has enhanced and expanded our common and dynamic national character.

THAT is the standard we should look at. Immigration should be tailored to improve Americas greatness ... Nothing less.


20 posted on 04/09/2014 8:37:09 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: TurboZamboni

In order to sign the amnesty Reagan got a promise that our borders would be enforced afterwards. He would not have signed the bill w/o that assurance.

However, as always with the Dims; they did not bargain in good faith. They got what they wanted and didn’t follow through with enforcement of the border.

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history...


21 posted on 04/09/2014 8:40:13 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: tanknetter
I,for one, don't believe most of today's immigrants are coming here because they love America and want to assimilate.
22 posted on 04/09/2014 8:41:04 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: jimbo123

Why the GOP somehow has the idea it’s going to win in 2016... especially trotting out the likes of Jebby and Krispie Kreme, is beyond me. Worry about winnable seats in statehouses and the Congress. The lo-fos are slobbering over themselves to vote for Killery.


23 posted on 04/09/2014 8:41:10 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: jimbo123

I don’t know how much more of this nonsense I can take.


24 posted on 04/09/2014 8:41:24 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TurboZamboni
I,for one, don't believe most of today's immigrants are coming here because they love America and want to assimilate.

Oh, they have assimilation on their minds... of America's territory into Mexico.

25 posted on 04/09/2014 8:42:10 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: logic101.net

GOP=Charlie Brown
Dems=Lucy with the football


26 posted on 04/09/2014 8:43:38 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: TADSLOS

If Jeb Bush believes that illegal aliens invade the US out of love for family, it won’t be long before he claims that Jihadis come here out of love for Islam.

It always chokes me up when politicians talk about love as they ruin this country.


27 posted on 04/09/2014 8:47:24 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Sell any pardons lately, Haily?”

Haley Barbour, the southern turd in the GOPe punchbowl!


28 posted on 04/09/2014 8:48:51 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: jimbo123

Haley, put down the crack pipe. The Bushes hated Reagan. they are nothing but elitist that want to keep this country
in their corrupt hands.


29 posted on 04/09/2014 8:49:49 AM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: jimbo123

Eisenhower tried enforcement and deportation. Reagan tried amnesty. How about we try the one that worked?


30 posted on 04/09/2014 8:51:42 AM PDT by csmusaret (Will remove Obama-Biden bumperstickers for $10)
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To: jimbo123
The former governor recalled asking what Reagan meant by the gates test and said his reply was: “’The gates test: Drop all the gates everywhere in the world and see which way people run. They run to America.’”

Which means we should be able to require people to come in legally, and enforce it.

This is nothing like Jeb's position or that of the Ruling Class.

31 posted on 04/09/2014 8:53:15 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Psalm 144

I think they have reached a point where they are desperate enough or confident enough to go for broke. I think they are confident.

That they were able to get most conservatives to vote for Willard, and able to crush most threatening conservatives since 2010 has emboldened them.


I agree on this. The GOP leadership are just waiting for an enforcement fig leaf from the kenyan. Amnesty is coming after the midterms if they can get that. Boehner appears to want only one more rodeo and is very dangerous.


32 posted on 04/09/2014 8:58:48 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: TurboZamboni

Exactly. And ignoring that makes Barbour a stinking liar.

Half truth is worse than a lie.


33 posted on 04/09/2014 8:59:41 AM PDT by DManA
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To: jimbo123

Haley, along with all the good-ol’-boy, Republican country clubbers, is going to help his buddy Jeb commit political suicide. Keep up the good work! There is nothing like a yucky, sweet dialog on amnesty to rile up and p!$soff voters while losing an election. We can only hope that in this instance the loss will come in the primaries. That’s the place to cull out the dummies.


34 posted on 04/09/2014 9:06:10 AM PDT by pallis
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To: jimbo123

Reagan said it had been a huge mistake


35 posted on 04/09/2014 9:12:14 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: WKB; wardaddy; LibLieSlayer; Sybeck1

Ping.

Not pinging onyx, she’s got enough on her mind right now. Pray for her hubby if you haven’t seen the thread on that already!


36 posted on 04/09/2014 9:14:29 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: GeronL
Reagan was fooled:
Under the new law, employers who hire illegal aliens will be subject to civil penalties of $250 to $10,000 for each such alien. Mr. Reagan described this provision as ''the keystone'' of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. ''It will remove the incentive for illegal immigration by eliminating the job opportunities which draw illegal aliens here,'' he said.
And a statement from Schumer at the time:
''The bill is a gamble, a riverboat gamble. There is no guarantee that employer sanctions will work or that amnesty will work. We are headed into uncharted waters.''
In other words, they had to pass it to find out what's in it.
37 posted on 04/09/2014 9:18:54 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: jimbo123

Rep Steven King-”[I]t’s clear to anybody that can do any kind of statistical analysis that Barack Obama wouldn’t be President of the United States without Ronald Reagan’s 1986 amnesty act.” -tom


38 posted on 04/09/2014 9:27:04 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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39 posted on 04/09/2014 9:28:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jimbo123

I would say Jeb’s stance is more like Larry Craig’s!


40 posted on 04/09/2014 9:28:47 AM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: jimbo123; Din Maker; Malichi; WXRGina; duffee; onyx; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; ...

tHAD ENOUGH PING


41 posted on 04/09/2014 9:29:28 AM PDT by WKB
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Bingo!!


42 posted on 04/09/2014 9:31:34 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: jimbo123
I bought a bird feeder. I hung it

on my back porch and filled it

with seed. What a beauty of

a bird feeder it was, as I filled it

lovingly with seed.

Within a week we had hundreds of birds

taking advantage of the

continuous flow of free and

easily accessible food.

But then the birds started

building nests in the boards

of the patio, above the table,

and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was

everywhere: on the patio tile,

the chairs, the table.

Everywhere!

Then some of the birds

turned mean. They would

dive bomb me and try to

peck me even though I had

fed them out of my own

pocket.

And others birds were

boisterous and loud. They

sat on the feeder and

squawked and screamed at

all hours of the day and night

and demanded that I fill it

when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even

sit on my own back porch

anymore. So I took down the

bird feeder and in three days

the birds were gone. I cleaned

up their mess and took down

the many nests they had built

all over the patio.

Soon, the back yard was like

it used to be ......... quiet, serene....

and no one demanding their

rights to a free meal.

Now let's see......

Our government gives out

free food, subsidized housing,

free medical care and free

education, and allows anyone

born here to be an automatic

citizen.

Then the illegal's came by the

tens of thousands. Suddenly

our taxes went up to pay for

free services; small apartments

are housing 5 families; you

have to wait 6 hours to be seen

by an emergency room doctor;

Your child's second grade class is

behind other schools because

over half the class doesn't speak

English.

Corn Flakes now come in a

bilingual box; I have to

'press one ' to hear my bank

talk to me in English, and

people waving flags other

than ours are

squawking and screaming

in the streets, demanding

more rights and free liberties.

Just my opinion, but maybe

it's time for the government

to take down the bird feeder.

43 posted on 04/09/2014 9:37:56 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: jimbo123

Ronnie just turned in his grave.


44 posted on 04/09/2014 9:52:24 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I don’t disagree with you at all.

My belief is that most of the illegals are doing it because the US does what it has always done: provide a better opportunity for ones-self and ones family. The act of love isn’t for the US, or a desire to become American or to assimilate into our culture. The act of love is coming here illegally for their families knowing that their best, and perhaps last, chance for living a decent life is here.

I’d compare it to stealing food in order to feed ones starving kids. It’s an act of love, but still very much illegal and subject to the specified consequences ...


45 posted on 04/09/2014 10:07:33 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: jimbo123

Barbour’s actions against Chris McDaniel have solidified my support of McDaniel and against Cochran. I no longer trust Barbour as he has demonstrated that he is an establishment RINO and will capitulate for personal gain.


46 posted on 04/09/2014 10:22:43 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: jimbo123

These guys just don’t get it! Nominating Bush is going to guarantee a rat win in 2016. I will NOT vote foor Jeb. Period. If they want to write off the conservative vote they’ll never win again.


47 posted on 04/09/2014 10:36:56 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: jimbo123

I am so glad I dropped my republican affiliation. All their money is going toward kneepads for people slobbering up to Jeb. It is embarassing watching a liberal try to out liberal a professional liberal.


48 posted on 04/09/2014 11:41:50 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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"Jeb Bush stance like Reagan’s"

It's funny, then, that neither Barbour nor Bush learned, as Reagan did, that this stance was DEMONSTRATED to be an abject failure.

49 posted on 04/09/2014 12:10:55 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (for)
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To: jimbo123

“Only much wider” he added.


50 posted on 04/09/2014 12:22:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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