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US wants to destroy Ukrainian ‘bridge’ between EU and Russia – German intellectuals support Putin
Russia Today ^ | 04-09-2014 | Staff

Posted on 04/09/2014 11:29:53 AM PDT by PaulCruz2016

Members of German civil society have written an open letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin, condemning Russophobia in mass media and German political establishment while showing support for Moscow's actions in the ongoing Ukrainian crisis.

Retired German Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Jochen Scholz wrote an open letter to the Russian leader in response to the speech Putin made on March 18, 2014 at the reunification of Crimea with Russia. The letter was cosigned by hundreds of Germans including lawyers, journalists, doctors, servicemen, scholars, scientists, diplomats and historians.

In that letter the German intellectuals said that Putin’s speech “appealed directly to the German people” and deserved a “positive response that corresponds to the true feelings of Germans.”

The letter acknowledges that the Soviet Union indeed played a decisive role in the liberation of Europe from Nazi Germany and supported the reunification of Germany and its ascension into NATO after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact.

Then US President George Bush Sr. had given assurances to Russia that NATO will not expand eastward, and yet despite Moscow's show of trust, the US and its allies violated that commitment, Scholz says.

(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: agitprop; germany; ibtz; keywordspammers; paulbearers; pravda; putin; putinsbuttboys; russia; russiatoday; surrendermonkeys; ukraine
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1 posted on 04/09/2014 11:29:53 AM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

Pretty noticeable that Merkel isn’t talking to Obama and no longer uses a phone.


2 posted on 04/09/2014 11:31:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: PaulCruz2016

You do know that Russia Today is a wholly-owned propaganda wing of Putin’s party, right?


3 posted on 04/09/2014 11:31:35 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

As opposed to the Obama/NATO/anti-Russia propaganda we get from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, Time, Washington Post, New York Times, etc., etc., etc.?


4 posted on 04/09/2014 11:34:20 AM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

The next time someone posts an article from MSNBC exposing its bias, I’d like to see you claim RT is the “counterweight.”


5 posted on 04/09/2014 11:36:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: PaulCruz2016

I’m against both Putin and Obama. Are you pro-Putin? Are you anti-Ukrainian?


6 posted on 04/09/2014 11:37:28 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I never thought that I would see you guys come out in the open during the Cold war, when I was with NATO, but now, here you are, in the waning years of America.


7 posted on 04/09/2014 11:41:25 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: elhombrelibre

That is definitely true.


8 posted on 04/09/2014 11:42:51 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: PaulCruz2016; Admin Moderator

You’ll note how they don’t bother countering anything in the article. They just scream “PROPAGANDA!!!” and insult you.

You’ll also notice how three or four ID’s always show up at exactly the same time, as well.


9 posted on 04/09/2014 11:47:25 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
“Based on the background of the developments in Europe since 1990, the establishment of some 1,000 US military bases around the world, control of sea straits by the United States, as well as the danger posed by the abuse from Maidan for the Russian Black Sea Fleet – we consider the separation of the Crimea as a defensive measure and, simultaneously, as a warning: this is a line that cannot be crossed,” the open letter states.

There, satisfied?
10 posted on 04/09/2014 11:51:34 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: PaulCruz2016
In that letter the German intellectuals said that Putin’s speech “appealed directly to the German people” and deserved a “positive response that corresponds to the true feelings of Germans.”

Wow that I bad on so many levels. Will they be divvying Eastern Europe now. That doesn't sound so intellectual to me.

11 posted on 04/09/2014 11:54:05 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette
Wow that I bad on so many levels. Will they be divvying Eastern Europe now. That doesn't sound so intellectual to me.

Well, the Germans and the Russians have gotten along swimmingly before - the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is a fine example.

12 posted on 04/09/2014 11:58:58 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Mike Darancette
Based on the background of the developments in Europe since 1990....

Still chuckling about it--what happened in 1990? Oh, the Soviet Union collapsed.

13 posted on 04/09/2014 11:59:49 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

You’ll note how they don’t bother countering anything in the article. They just scream “PROPAGANDA!!!” and insult you.

**************

You use what you’ve got. Pound the facts, pound the law. If you’ve got neither, pound the podium.


14 posted on 04/09/2014 12:06:34 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Victoria Nuland
Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs
US Department of State

Proudly announces about 7 minutes into this video that the US has “invested” $5 billion in helping Ukraine realize its “European aspirations”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY


15 posted on 04/09/2014 12:09:02 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Psalm 144

Typical Daily Kos debate tactics.
No actual discussion of the issue can be allowed.


16 posted on 04/09/2014 12:09:08 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Psalm 144

Yup. No FReeper can withstand the onslaught of the Russian propaganda juggernaut. RT stands alone as a beacon of truth.


17 posted on 04/09/2014 12:09:44 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

Just type “waah” next time in order to save time.


18 posted on 04/09/2014 12:10:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; All

MEANWHILE, in Ukraine, The government is moving tanks and heavy artillery outside of Donetsk, where the protestors have been given a 48 hour deadline, or “else”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQRzfetndJg#t=31

Numerous twitter reports of civilians acting to slow the column, by walking in front of it, or having a car “breakdown” on the roads.


19 posted on 04/09/2014 12:14:52 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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“NATO expansion into the former Soviet republics, the creation of military bases in the former Warsaw Pact countries and the setup of an umbrella missile defense system in Eastern Europe, while unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM Treaty by the US is a flagrant violation of promises,”the letter reads.

Where can we find such patriots? [sniffing, wiping a tear]
20 posted on 04/09/2014 12:16:49 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: PaulCruz2016

Ah, the German “intellectuals”.

Guess they miss the good old days with the Fuhrer and Putin brings back memories of the Sudetenland.


21 posted on 04/09/2014 12:17:44 PM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: tcrlaf; All

UStream live stream from “Russian” Donetsk is back up, on the barricades in Central Donetsk.

Seems they are trying to negotiate with a Ukrainian officer at the moment.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/artem77?utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=ustre.am%2F1b876&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20140409121554


22 posted on 04/09/2014 12:19:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

TWEET:
GrahamWPhillips 5m
I’m back in Donetsk and around City Hall as reports swirl it’s going to be stormed.


23 posted on 04/09/2014 12:21:50 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: elhombrelibre
Why did your Right-Sector buddies beat up Ukrainian presidential candidate Oleg Tsarev today?. pic.twitter.com/ILHAftWbb7
24 posted on 04/09/2014 12:31:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Gees, I don’t know. I’ll give them a call and ask. Boy, my buddies are just out of control.


25 posted on 04/09/2014 12:34:08 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

The sheeple mostly have no clue.

International banking is quietly behind the scenes of the West, Russia and Asia - the whole world.

All world leaders know this. None of them can say it publicly.

The bankers give their vassals some latitude to jockey for geopolitical position.

But this is all just the “grand game” of geopolitics, a game run by the bankers.

So, with national leaders, the pot calls the kettle black.

But they’re all vassals.

They try to balance a) the bankers wicked commands and schemes against b) their own self-interest and c) trying to do the right thing for the people of their nation.

Needless to say the last on that list is touted publicly very loudly, but privately ignored, if not actively worked against. Of course, the first two on that list are never mentioned publicly.

Note that Russia now uses the “commonwealth” model as done by the UK and Europe.

Here’s an upcoming banking conference:

Bonds & Loans, Russia & CIS

http://www.bondsloansrussia.com/

Note the sponsors:

http://www.bondsloansrussia.com/sponsors

The conference is organized by these guys:

GFC - Global Financial Conferences Ltd.
3rd Floor Petersham House
57a Hatton Garden
London EC1N 8JG

Note their other upcoming conferences:

http://www.gfcconferences.com/node/284

From a finance/banking perspective, the guys in London are “where it’s at”.


26 posted on 04/09/2014 12:38:06 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: elhombrelibre

All media today is controlled by one power or another. In reading all sides of the issues is just smart in order to understand the playing field they are operating on.

Bringing opposing views to FR allows people to form their own opinions of what is actually happening....and it often exposes the lies for Freepers who dig for the truth.

When you stop debate and the free flow of information, regardless if you agree or not, then truth is silenced.

To point to any particular media as being biased is silly because they all are.


27 posted on 04/09/2014 12:41:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

Typical Daily Kos debate tactics. [snort]


28 posted on 04/09/2014 12:44:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

Yep...it’s the same ones...and some are fully anti-Russian to the core....so they are blinded by their own bias.

I enjoy greatly Freepers seeking what’s happening in the here and now, and where nations stand....history is good to know but nations change....and not always for the better...who would of thought the USA would be promoting killing the unborn on an international scale!....or removing prayers from our schools and the symbols of Christianity in our nation?

Our Government is removing these...Russia is putting them up, regardless if they believe in it or not, or their motives.....


29 posted on 04/09/2014 12:46:56 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

You remind me of the bozos who years ago said there was no difference between the US and the USSR. Or the ones who said there was no difference between authoritarian regimes and totalitarian ones. Critical thinking means we recognize differences. Moral equivalence or saying everything is the same is just intellectually lazy. If you want to believe that one power or another controls the media, then buy into the conspiracy. That’s for you, not smart people. Believe that FOX News is the same as CBS because Obama controls them, in your mind.


30 posted on 04/09/2014 12:48:24 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: caww

Do you hate America?


31 posted on 04/09/2014 12:49:33 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I tend to lean toward what you are saying in your post.....politicians will always snuggle up to Bankers and those with Money..from the banks to the Oligarchs will snuggle up to those in power....Arrangements can be made from loosing regulations to seating those in power.

The Global Summit is today...take special note of the second topic.....interesting way to say they want to slip their fingers into every mans pocket.

The Summit will focus on three broad topics:

1. Examining megatrends that will exert a strong influence on the evolution of the global economy over the next 20 to 30 years;

2. ‘Developing a robust financial system’ that can ‘move private sector money from the “crowd,”...... to where it is needed to finance commercially viable enterprises and projects.

3. Fostering new business models for deploying technology, products, and services from where they have been invented and deployed initially to new markets where they can be used to exploit opportunities generated by global mega-trends.


32 posted on 04/09/2014 12:54:23 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Yep...it’s the same ones...and some are fully anti-Russian to the core....so they are blinded by their own bias.

I don't need to read Russian state-owned media to form an opinion. And that's not an example of "bias," unless you feel like suggesting my lack of desire to read MSNBC is the same.

33 posted on 04/09/2014 1:00:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: elhombrelibre

.....”Do you hate America?”.....

I wouldn’t be fighting for the US to return to it’s Constitution if I didn’t. Nor would I be enjoying the fellowship of Freepers here on FR as I generally do.

As for how the US is being led ‘today’...yes, I ‘hate’ what this Administration is doing to my country....it is not the country I love when they’re succeeding at changing the face and heart of this nation to something else entirely.

We all should be concerned when our nations politicians no longer support out national interests and the focus has become Europe’s Agenda which we are financing.

Interesting that you would ask any Freeper if they “hate America”......Americans would generally ask “Do you love America”? in the positive.


34 posted on 04/09/2014 1:04:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

You’ll note that not ONE of his ID’s has yet to make an actual comment about the article??


35 posted on 04/09/2014 1:17:07 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: caww
Your critique seems more that of a hater.

Things were bleak in the 60's, 70's, and 80's for America and for conservatives. It's easy to forget that there were few conservative leaders that mattered in the US. But event then, when conservatives were weak, it was the Left who constantly carped about American and chided its people and its institutions. Yet many of us didn't give up on America and we never will.

Everything that's wrong with America today can be made better. It won't help the conservative brand or America if many conservatives spout more anger at America and if they embrace an ugly autocrat as some type of preferred alternative to the USA. I love America, and Obama cannot turn me against my country or for Putin.

36 posted on 04/09/2014 1:17:40 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Well since you don’t... then how do you know what they are saying on a given matter....simply because our media says so?

I prefer to know what both sides are saying..and reporting..and filming etc. because along the way the truth comes into view. It’s not about supporting one side or another...though hard not to oppose what ones convictions are and keep seeking the truth.

I choose to read these articles and other media because it gives a broader view of the players in the field while IN the heat of whatever event is taking place.

International Affairs run differently then our media which often focuses simply on Democrats and Republicans views...and their differences....if you already know their differences then it really isn’t necessary to always follow....we generally know how those teams play.

But on the World Stage it’s in a constant trajectory of powers and alliances shifting and moving about.....the “pulse” can change without notice, and more often then not insufficiently reported in our MSM if at all.

Well, I hope I’ve made my point...


37 posted on 04/09/2014 1:36:47 PM PDT by caww
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To: elhombrelibre
You know your first few words said it all, I read no further...why bother for you've proven you cannot rise above mouthing off sounding like an old war horse of bygone years with out any basic manners....I prefer dialog with those who are concerned with the World Stage as it is today and functions....but understands History of...however doesn't live in it as if it's today.
38 posted on 04/09/2014 1:45:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: PieterCasparzen

I have for years expounded on the influence of international bankers on wars involving the USA and Europe. This goes especially from the time of the west Europe bankers, primarily the Rothchilds, in the Bolshevik takeover of Russia from the Czars, to the formation of the WW1 era League of Nations with much help from the USA President Wilson. It was also Wilson who brought to the USA a European banker who set up the Federal Reserve which is not a real USA Constitutional bank. Then fast forward to the WWII and post era where/when the Rothchilds were very active in promoting the Rockefeller UN along with the likes of Soros and other money/monetary controllers. Money has always been a mindful element in the lives of people from Jesus and the money changers in the temples to today’s money changers in governments along with so called ‘private’ capital venturers. Makes a person think that perhaps the old saying of ‘the root of all evil’ is a side of life’s coin or die.


39 posted on 04/09/2014 1:45:47 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: tcrlaf

Looks like they just travel the threads looking for any they can ‘boot’ around....sounds rather Russian doesn’t it? LOLOLOL


40 posted on 04/09/2014 1:48:26 PM PDT by caww
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To: elhombrelibre; caww; Travis McGee; Kartographer; Jim Noble; kabar
You really need to come up with a different schtick. If you can't figure out a more effective way to persuade the American people to follow the federal government into another foreign war, and my portfolio begins to suffer, then you and your team of incompetents should be sacked. And good luck finding another job after the way you've botched this Ukraine (and Syria before it) deal so badly.

Here's a suggestion, how about attempting a concern approach, or even an appeal to authority? You know, such as: as a leading power, the US has global responsibilities, or, we need to allow the adults in the room to make critical decisions, or even, the republican system is dependent on enabling our "leaders" to act in the best interest of the public. I'm sure you get the idea; now get cracking!

As for your last pathetic attempt, perhaps I can provide a little constructive criticism so that you may perhaps be more effective in future posts.

You remind me of the bozos who years ago said there was no difference between the US and the USSR. Or the ones who said there was no difference between authoritarian regimes and totalitarian ones.

The old us-them dichotomy is pretty shop worn. Especially since even the slowest mouth breathers realize the US no longer even pretends to follow any form of rule-of-law. You know, like (non) border protection, EO amendments to ACA, fast-n-furious, family destruction, IRS, NSA, etc, etc.

Critical thinking means we recognize differences. Moral equivalence or saying everything is the same is just intellectually lazy.

OK, so once you've established the set-up in the us-them quadrant, you resort to the very tired association of positive attributes, such as superior thinking ability and morality, with your assertion as to which nation is the best without any foundation as to that claim. See short list of current Constitutional violations above that comprises this validity.

If you want to believe that one power or another controls the media, then buy into the conspiracy. That’s for you, not smart people. Believe that FOX News is the same as CBS because Obama controls them, in your mind.

Well, what can I say, other than you missed a whole string of pejorative expressions, such as unfounded allegations, wild assertions, fanciful thinking, paranoid delusions, projecting from weakness, etc, etc. And really, smart people=don't buy into conspiracy allegation? LOL. Sh!t, why not "Arbeit Macht Frei"? Obsolete, tired and used up.

Like I said above, you really need to re-work your act. It needs to be both more focused and more sophisticated. Perhaps you could arrange to have a poor gassed Syrian couple on Dancing with Stars? Or some recently dispossessed Nazi oops, Ukrainian, on 'Survivor - Russia'? With a tie-in to FB and Twitter feeds, you could monitor the sentiment of those jumping the line to send their kids off to another overseas war. Jeez, you could get really smarmy and claim it's "for the children".

The bottom line is, we live in a results oriented society, and you simply are not cutting the mustard. If my MIC derived dividend checks start suffering due to your pathetic incompetence, my Representative is going to be hearing from me.

41 posted on 04/09/2014 1:52:29 PM PDT by semantic
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To: noinfringers2

Interesting..and great seeing history posted from the position of revenue powers.

‘Follow the money’ has been a buzz word for sometime, but there certainly is much truth to that, both Historically and today. Some things don’t change...just the faces.


42 posted on 04/09/2014 1:53:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
I lived in Ann Arbor during the Reagan era. I know their routine. It hasn't changed. And again, I don't need to read current commie propaganda on RT or MSNBC to form my opinion of it for what it is.

Furthermore, when someone observes that RT is propaganda, and the response is "but MSNBC," it shows more intellectual vapidity than objectivity. In other words, "I read it all" is not an excuse for parroting one line over another.

43 posted on 04/09/2014 1:58:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Sacajaweau

Is that true?


44 posted on 04/09/2014 1:58:39 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: semantic
Like I said above, you really need to re-work your act. It needs to be both more focused and more sophisticated.

Maybe you could send him a subscription to RT?

45 posted on 04/09/2014 1:59:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: semantic

I could kiss you! (trust you’re a guy?) That was wonderfully superb!


46 posted on 04/09/2014 2:03:18 PM PDT by caww
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To: 1rudeboy

Russia Today is the only neutral, balanced journalism in the world today.


47 posted on 04/09/2014 2:04:00 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
What I find striking is that someone can post an article from MSNBC detailing its bias (one of the founding principles of this website in the first place) and no one has a problem with it but for the trolls.

Point out that RT is biased, and you become the problem . . . and start hearing for the need to "read everything."

48 posted on 04/09/2014 2:07:17 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Oh I think we can be selective over what we read or hear from the media and can still form an opinion be it biased or not.

I do think much of media ,though, is equally propaganda/biased in regards to who the owners of that media are...some events and news worthy articles will never be reported nor discussed among the pundits......other’s will run an event long after it’s dead news just to keep people engaged...while current news of significance is ignored.

Bottom line..profit and ownership of media makes it tick..and formulates public’s perspectives. If that were not so politicians wouldn’t spend billions on advertising in election cycles, with those who support and finance them...then shuffle the revenues throughout these conglomerates to whatever cause here and abroad they desire.


49 posted on 04/09/2014 2:12:50 PM PDT by caww
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To: 1rudeboy
Yes, but I am not wearing underpants.

So where do we go from here?

50 posted on 04/09/2014 2:24:53 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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