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Scheme to neutralize 36 states' votes advances
World Net Daily ^ | 4-9-14 | Aaron Klein

Posted on 04/09/2014 6:27:33 PM PDT by ReformationFan

Lawmakers line up behind plan that dumps Electoral College without constitutional amendment

The National Popular Vote effort, which could see the 14 states with the largest populations decide the presidency, is more than halfway to its goal of legally bypassing the Electoral College established in the Constitution.

Last week, the Maine state Senate voted in support of the plan one week after both houses of the New York legislature overwhelmingly supported it.

Now the governors of both states will need to decide whether to formally back the National Popular Vote, or NPV.

The plan is more than halfway to its goal of electing future presidents via the popular vote, after Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee, an independent, signed on last July.

The NPV campaign seeks to obtain the consent of the majority of the 538 votes in the Electoral College to award its electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote.

Now 10 jurisdictions possessing 136 electoral votes are part of the plan, just over half of the 270 electoral votes needed to bring the National Popular Vote interstate compact into effect.

The states will not be required to award their electoral votes to the national popular vote winner until the NPV has signed up enough states to garner 270 electoral votes.

The NVP effort is fully partnered with a George Soros-funded election group, as WND was first to report.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aaronklein; electoralcollege; georgesoros; klein; nationalpopularvote; npv; tyranny

1 posted on 04/09/2014 6:27:33 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: GeronL; nuconvert; KC_Lion; txhurl; Amendment10

Ping.


2 posted on 04/09/2014 6:32:17 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: ReformationFan
if this passes, i guess we're down to the cartridge box...
3 posted on 04/09/2014 6:34:36 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: ReformationFan

“Former” Michigan GOP chairman and RNC committeeman Saul Anuzis is an NPV pimp.


4 posted on 04/09/2014 6:34:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ReformationFan

It’s way past revolution time. But, we suck compared to what we used to be.


5 posted on 04/09/2014 6:35:01 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: ReformationFan

That’s OK. Before long, we won’t have elections at all, maybe just a rigged public-opinion poll or 2 to provide cover for the elites when they transfer power to their friends.


6 posted on 04/09/2014 6:35:50 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: ReformationFan

Texas will refuse to accept that insanity.

On what constitutional grounds are they doing this?


7 posted on 04/09/2014 6:36:36 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: ReformationFan

while there have only been 2 elections thus far in history when the electoral vote winner did not win the popular vote, this NPV movement is very disturbing. It highlights the lack of reverence and appreciation for our Constitution.


8 posted on 04/09/2014 6:39:00 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: ReformationFan
With the addition of Rhode Island to the NPV effort, the pact now has nine states plus the District of Columbia for a total of 136 of the 270 electoral votes needed. The other states signed up are Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Washington, Vermont and California.

...and so which way did these states vote in the last four (4) Presidential elections?

They will not get to 270. Red state legislatures are not completely stupid or completely crazy.

9 posted on 04/09/2014 6:42:51 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: ReformationFan

ummm.. no

to have this, they would need to completely rewrite the basis for the Constitution

not to mention this catchy little phrase: no taxation without representation


10 posted on 04/09/2014 6:45:50 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Chode

We are already there....


11 posted on 04/09/2014 6:47:12 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: ReformationFan

fully partnered with a George Soros-funded

OOOOO theres a BIG SHOCK!!!

I was hoping the blood red full moon might have brought an end to his reign of underhanded terror.....


12 posted on 04/09/2014 6:47:44 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Cold Heat
yup, but this might be the final straw
13 posted on 04/09/2014 6:50:24 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Sooth2222

From the perspective of the ComDems, Texas may be crazy.

But that crazy would include fighting mad crazy. There aren’t enough leftist alive to force that crap on Texas. War first.

This Leftist wet dream is not going to happen.


14 posted on 04/09/2014 6:52:52 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Chode

Not sure what will end up being the final straw...but there will be one...

Best guess is that society melts down in a non-political fashion before we get a political last straw..

And we will not know it when it starts...2008 was a warning..


15 posted on 04/09/2014 6:54:54 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: ReformationFan; All

I would hope that all government employees have their life insurance paid up.


16 posted on 04/09/2014 7:03:29 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: ReformationFan; All
... Lawmakers line up behind plan that dumps Electoral College without constitutional amendment

This plan is likely intended to compliment the ill-conceived 17th Amendment by likewise subjecting the Oval Office to mob rule by constitutionally ignorant voters who have never been taught the federal government's constitutionally limited powers.

In other words, corrupt, Constitution-ignoring lawmakers want to intensify the tsunami of constitutionally indefensible federal taxes going to DC, taxes which Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.

On the other hand, with all due respect to the family and supporters of the late President Reagan, even he signed bills into law which Congress had no power to make under its Section 8-limited powers.

17 posted on 04/09/2014 7:03:40 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: ReformationFan

This is why we need TEA PARTY candidates to win STATE elections....put them in the legislative bodies of these 14 states and REPEAL these stupid laws.


18 posted on 04/09/2014 7:05:37 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: ReformationFan

liberals are like mold. in just about any analogy you can think of.


19 posted on 04/09/2014 7:06:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ReformationFan

Seems to me a continuation of liberals/statists/leftists/communists/progressives goal of ripping the Constitution to shreds, as they did with abolishing the 17th (with progressive rinos to help).

I only hope that if it gets more traction, that it bites them... when CA/NY/MA/etc are forced to give all their electoral votes to the Conservative Republican candidate for president, causing an electoral landslide for the Republican ticket.


20 posted on 04/09/2014 7:10:33 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: ReformationFan

Black Sabbath: “Mob Rules”.


21 posted on 04/09/2014 7:10:34 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I will not stand for my vote to be cast for the candidate that I voted against! This denies my CONSTITUTIONAL right to cast my vote and have it counted on a level basis with every other vote cast.

They need to be careful, lest they get what they ask for (unbeknownst to themselves).


22 posted on 04/09/2014 7:11:33 PM PDT by Thom Pain (If you like your country you can keep it. Period.)
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To: Texas Fossil

States like NY are losing population (and electoral representation) to states like Florida. That’s why they want to switch to the popular vote. Presidential races will be reduced to campaigning mostly at or near the high population centers.


23 posted on 04/09/2014 7:19:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: ReformationFan
If this passes and it goes to popular vote and a democrat is elected in 2016 it will mark the beginning of our civil war. To hand the Presidency to another communists Democrat would be the end of America as we know it.
24 posted on 04/09/2014 7:24:53 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: ReformationFan

This would change elections from trying to get votes for your candidate to trying to keep your opponents voters from coming out.


25 posted on 04/09/2014 7:27:30 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Texas Fossil

Texas doesn’t have to accept it. But Texas might gain by it. Right now Presidential candidates ignore Texas because its vote is a foregone conclusion.

The Constitutional grounds are that each state is free to appoint their Electors any way they see fit.

Ohio could have a convention of PTA Presidents choose its Electors and there’d be nothing to say about it.


26 posted on 04/09/2014 7:32:22 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: only1percent

It is one thing for a state to decide to do something stupid like this, but quite another to make an interstate pact to vote as a block.

As if the elections had no effect? This cannot be constitutional.


27 posted on 04/09/2014 7:36:05 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: smokingfrog

This simply will not stand.

No way the majority of the nation will accept this insanity.


28 posted on 04/09/2014 7:38:44 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: ReformationFan

This is NOT a good thing, here’s the failure of this commie power grab!!..and may it’s corpse never come roaring back to life..


29 posted on 04/09/2014 7:39:49 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: ReformationFan

The US Constitution provides no method for choosing a President ‘other than’ Electors.

To do so is a violation of Article II of the US Constitution. But that doesn’t mean they can’t get away with it. Nor does it mean there aren’t consequences.

To effect this plan the Electors in those States must be fully complicit in this scheme.

Just curious...how does the map of this ‘scheme’ compare with a map of the most aggressive gun control regimes???

(rest of comment self-censored)


30 posted on 04/09/2014 7:54:37 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: sten

that’s what I was just thinking. If there ever was a reason to stand up armed, this is it right here. This is nothing short of an overthrow of the constitution by one political party.


31 posted on 04/09/2014 7:56:25 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Texas Fossil
As if the elections had no effect? This cannot be constitutional.

Seems to me that the voters who voted in the majority for Candidate A in State X, only to have State X cast its electoral votes for Candidate B, would have clear reason to request redress under "equal protection under the law".

32 posted on 04/09/2014 7:59:59 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

I don’t think this is going anywhere. But the ComDems are desperate and will try anything to stay in power.

Remember the state of CA considering breaking into multiple states to multiply their Senate representation?

No treachery is too low for them.


33 posted on 04/09/2014 8:02:17 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: ReformationFan

Even though a number of states have adopted this law, it won’t go into effect until enough states totalling 270 electoral votes also adopt the law.

That being said, the constitutionality of this law has not [and will not be] tested until it goes into effect.

Many constitutional scholars believe that the law exceeds the provision in the Constitution that allows the States to choose the manner with which they appoint electors within their respective states.

In Bush v. Gore [2000], the 7-2 SCOTUS majority concluded on the grounds of violation of the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause:

“The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College. U.S. Const., Art. II, §1. This is the source for the statement in McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1, 35 (1892), that the State legislature’s power to select the manner for appointing electors is plenary; it may, if it so chooses, select the electors itself, which indeed was the manner used by State legislatures in several States for many years after the Framing of our Constitution. Id., at 28—33. History has now favored the voter, and in each of the several States the citizens themselves vote for Presidential electors. When the state legislature vests the right to vote for President in its people, the right to vote as the legislature has prescribed is fundamental; and one source of its fundamental nature lies in the equal weight accorded to each vote and the equal dignity owed to each voter ...”

The 7-2 majority cited the following as the basis for its decision:

” ... The right to vote is protected in more than the initial allocation of the franchise. Equal protection applies as well to the manner of its exercise. Having once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another. See, e.g., Harper v. Virginia Bd. of Elections ...”

And:

“ ... Once the franchise is granted to the electorate, lines may not be drawn which are inconsistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment”). It must be remembered that “the right of suffrage can be denied by a debasement or dilution of the weight of a citizen’s vote just as effectively as by wholly prohibiting the free exercise of the franchise.” Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533, 555 (1964).”

In other words, if a state grants its citizens the right to choose its electors, it cannot invalidate the vote of the majority if that candidate did not win the national popular vote.


34 posted on 04/09/2014 8:32:55 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: ReformationFan

The real problem is that a few states with no voter role integrity will be able to produce phantom votes which will override your vote. Wherever you reside you will be up against Chicago, Philadelphia, and Boston voter fraud. As soon as this is passed the Democrats will pull out all the stops.


35 posted on 04/09/2014 10:12:03 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: ReformationFan

Yes, and when the good folks of this country decide to enforce the Constitution, 36 states are going to need a grant to get more rope to hang these traitorous bastards.


36 posted on 04/10/2014 9:05:01 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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