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Stomach illness that hit 83 people on cruise ship may be linked to norovirus
CNN ^ | April 10, 2014 | Ben Brumfield

Posted on 04/10/2014 1:20:44 AM PDT by kingattax

(CNN) -- A new outbreak of a gastrointestinal illness aboard a cruise ship may have been caused by the norovirus, the ship's operator said Wednesday.

At least 66 passengers and 17 crew members came down with a quickly spreading digestive bug aboard the Crown Princess, said spokeswoman Karen Candy of Princess Cruises.

They have been isolated in their quarters, and the ship has implemented sanitation procedures developed in coordination with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to slow the disease's spread.

The Crown Princess, which has room for more than 3,000 passengers, left Los Angeles on Saturday for a seven-day Pacific cruise.

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1 posted on 04/10/2014 1:20:44 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Why would anyone want to ride around the ocean on a floating mall with 3000 other people?


2 posted on 04/10/2014 1:34:24 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: kingattax

We don’t go anywhere where we can’t get in our truck and leave.


3 posted on 04/10/2014 1:42:09 AM PDT by Octar
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To: Dallas59

I’ve done 5 cruises, but I haven’t been on a ship since 1999. I suspect that standards for cleanliness have become lax since then. A real shame. Of all the cruise lines I traveled with, Princess was the best.


4 posted on 04/10/2014 1:55:09 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: kingattax

Wonder if they have health like dept ratings for these ships like restaurants have?


5 posted on 04/10/2014 2:15:02 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: RginTN
No cruise ship I've ever heard of is registered in the US, that makes ‘em exempt from US law more ore less. I've been on several cruises, one thing a lot of people don't realize is when you set sail you ain't in the US any more. American crew are kind of scarce A lot of the crew doesn't even speak english they are from all over the world. Having said all that every cruise I've ever been on has been great. If you look at the total # of people who cruise and compare it to how many get sick it's a very small percentage, but the media isn't going to tell you that though.
6 posted on 04/10/2014 3:39:32 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: fatnotlazy

Princess for me too, always been 1st rate experience. Went on a carnival once, had a great cabin, the cruise experience just doesn’t stack up to Princess though........even though they are owned by the same parent company.


7 posted on 04/10/2014 3:42:05 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: Dallas59

“Why would anyone want to ride around the ocean on a floating mall with 3000 other people?”

I take it you’ve never been on one? Seems like the only time the media reports on cruise ships is when something bad happens, I’ve been on 6 or 7 and never had a problem, always a great experience.


8 posted on 04/10/2014 3:44:36 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: Dallas59
Why would anyone want to ride around the ocean on a floating mall with 3000 other people?

Good question. I once considered it because it seemed exotic, offered a never-ending buffet, and was reachable by ground transportation (I never fly). Then, I read about these viral outbreaks (something consistent with your notation about large groups of people crowded together) and the encroachment by the TSA (my niece told me recently that TSA personnel checked them out at departure on a cruise she and her husband took). These two considerations have permanently scotched my interest.

9 posted on 04/10/2014 3:57:37 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: V_TWIN

I cruised with Carnival too. Someone once said it’s a good cruise line for novice cruisers. More experienced cruisers go with Princess.

Princess really treated me like royalty. Other cruise lines treated me like cattle.


10 posted on 04/10/2014 3:58:01 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: OldPossum

Please see my post #6


11 posted on 04/10/2014 3:59:20 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: fatnotlazy

I think Carnival is more of a party experience which IMO tends to run down the ship a little.


12 posted on 04/10/2014 4:02:23 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: OldPossum
TSA must be a new wrinkle. After the Achille Lauro incident — the one where terrorists took over the ship and tossed a disabled passenger overboard — cruise lines beefed up security on their own. The last cruise I took, passengers were issued photo ID cards. Every time I came aboard, I had to not only present the card, put put my face up to a machine that apparently had some kind of facial recognition software. If my real face didn't match the photo ID, I would not be allowed on the ship.

Of course, this procedure presented problems for my mother who cruised with me. She could never find her photo ID in that jumble of a purse she carried. I had to constantly remind her to get out her card and have it ready before we came back to the ship.

13 posted on 04/10/2014 4:25:35 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Dallas59

“Why would anyone want to ride around the ocean on a floating mall with 3000 other people?”

Read somewhere that a typical cruise ship passenger spends a lot of time in malls back home. Identify your market as they say in business.

Been on one cruise, on a converted passenger liner where the experience was that of being on board a real ship with an open promenade deck & other traditional features.


14 posted on 04/10/2014 4:39:10 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Dallas59
why would anyone want to ride around the ocean on a floating mall with 3000 other people

It's a very efficient way to tour destinations you've never been to. Often, the guides are well informed and like providing information to tourists who are there to learn about the environment. If chosen carefully, the tours offered can be very thorough in one day. Some cruise ships have great cultural and atheletic opportunities, and if selective you're selective, decent food. The problem is the 3000 people. It's usually possible to plan events that aren't crowded.

What many cruisers fear more than the norovirus is being quarantined to ones room Smart cruisers bring things to sanitize their rooms and to counter virus symptoms, to avoid the quarantine.

15 posted on 04/10/2014 4:49:36 AM PDT by grania
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To: Octar

Love that reply. Understand it completely.


16 posted on 04/10/2014 5:22:37 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Dallas59

Why would anyone want to ride around the ocean on a floating mall with 3000 other people?


...or go to a resort with lots of other people, or stay in a hotel?


17 posted on 04/10/2014 6:03:18 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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To: RginTN

Wonder if they have health like dept ratings for these ships like restaurants have?


Ships that call in US ports have even stricter CDC inspections.

Ships that serve European ports and such have similar inspections.

They are far more sanitary than most US restaurants.

Less than 3% of people got sick. That’s not exactly an epidemic in any hotel, workplace, or school.


18 posted on 04/10/2014 6:05:14 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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To: kingattax

Did they order the chicken or the fish?


19 posted on 04/10/2014 6:06:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RginTN

I have a question that’s been bugging me for years. In any ship of any Navy, hundreds and thousands of the crew (not the officers) are crowded, crammed, and jammed into living conditions that, I think, violate the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS of jailed felons.
Never have I heard of an outbreak of anything like these problems found on modern cruise ships. I “lived” in one of those Navy vessels and couldn’t turn over in the rack or stretch without hitting or kicking someone. I’m 6’5” and found happiness sleeping on the maple bench in my shop.
When in the past, going back to the 20’s did we hear of such an outbreak aboard the ships that crowded the oceans.
What has changed? Cleanleness is better, refrigeration and food storage is better, everything is truly better but for one thing. THE LACK OF FRESH AIR. Ships once had huge funnels that brought FRESH air down into the bowels of even the largest ships, whether war or passenger.
Now the inmates on cruise ships are basically breathing re-circulated air as they enjoy life in virtually sealed containers. Any other passenger suffering from a air-borne virus will send that virus into a system that may well spread said virus around the ship starting a chain reaction.
When did we ever hear of “SICK buildings” until modern, energy saving sealed buildings were made. What modern building has windows that open? How much FRESH air makes its way into a modern “energy efficient” house?
Anybody ever wonder why a NEW problem develops, yet has a single common situtation..the lack of FRESH air?


20 posted on 04/10/2014 6:09:12 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: V_TWIN

I wondered about the “diversity” of a cruise ship crew. Most people in the world DO NOT associate cleanliness as a prerequisite to health. To most of the world’s people disease is caused by spirits or unknown forces. It is only Western man and those under his influence(the Japanese)that hold to the “Germ Theory”(Fact!). Washing ones hands is a nuisance garbage and trash management a burden. My niece saw a person in an Asian country do his business on the public streets, wipe with his hand and then wipe the material on a nearby wall. “Our Diversity is our strength.” God help us.


21 posted on 04/10/2014 6:13:31 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Dallas59

Try a floating landfill. They can’t just dump the garbage overboard.


22 posted on 04/10/2014 6:17:00 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Interesting point. Airlines fly people in sealed containers. My last daughter ended up positive on her TB test. She had traveled extensively by air at or near the time of the test. We always wondered why she became positive as we watched her health every second of her life with us. We always associated the air travel with the result.


23 posted on 04/10/2014 6:19:41 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Dallas59; Octar; fatnotlazy; OldPossum; Atlas Sneezed; AEMILIUS PAULUS; CaptainAmiigaf

Cruise Ship Industry Statistics:

http://www.statisticbrain.com/cruise-ship-industry-statistics/


24 posted on 04/10/2014 6:23:20 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: V_TWIN

Thanks for the interesting “Stats.” However, given the mean, median and modes what if you are the guy that drowns in a river whose average depth is six inches; you found the twelve foot hole?


25 posted on 04/10/2014 6:48:53 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: fatnotlazy

I’ve been on 8 cruises since 2004 and I’ve never been sick. Cleanliness and sanitation efforts were always going on.

IMO, the reason a norovirus outbreak happens is there is at least one person with a gastro bug that won’t stay home. They get on the ship, surf the buffets, touch railings and generally don’t keep themselves isolated until they are well. Cruise lines even have a question on the check-in form about recent stomach viruses. Some people just lie about it.


26 posted on 04/10/2014 7:17:32 AM PDT by melissa_in_ga (Laz would hit it.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I think my point was that given over 20 millin people cruise a year the % of illness is very small.


27 posted on 04/10/2014 7:28:17 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: melissa_in_ga

You may he right. I also think that some passengers don’t practice good hygiene. Ever watch women in the ladies room? I’ve seen some do their business, then leave without washing their hands. A few minutes later I see them in the buffet line handling the serving spoons. Yuck!


28 posted on 04/10/2014 7:30:14 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: V_TWIN

Thank you for the stats.


29 posted on 04/10/2014 7:31:10 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

welcome. :)


30 posted on 04/10/2014 8:12:51 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: V_TWIN

I understand.


31 posted on 04/10/2014 8:15:09 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: V_TWIN

I am sorry to be so tardy. We are expecting guests today, so I have been busy spiffing up the place...you know what I mean.

Anyway, I agree that the chances of getting ill on a cruise are pretty small, and from what I understand, cruises are an excellent way to relax, eat heartily and visit other lands. It’s just that with me, having to deal with the TSA is completely unacceptable. I will not, unless there are terribly extenuating circumstances (which I cannot imagine), be subject to their man-handling and stupid bureaucratic rules. I guess I’m just too rigid in my thinking, but, hey, it comes with age!


32 posted on 04/10/2014 3:00:23 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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