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DHS study: North Korea capable of EMP attack on U.S.
World Net Daily ^ | April 9, 2014 | F. Michael Maloof

Posted on 04/10/2014 4:00:16 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian

WASHINGTON – A long-suppressed report prepared by the Department of Homeland Security for the Defense Department concludes that North Korea could deliver on its threats to destroy the United States with a nuclear electromagnetic pulse attack.

The report remains blocked from release to the American public.

However, a copy obtained by Peter Vincent Pry from sources within DHS finds North Korea could use its Unha-3 space launch vehicle to deliver a nuclear warhead as a satellite over the South Pole to attack the U.S. from the south.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/dhs-study-north-korea-capable-of-emp-attack-on-u-s/#vd4I5JDwebgQHTta.99

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: emp; korea; nkorea; nokorea; northkorea; peterpry; petervincentpry; pry; wnd; worldnetdaily
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1 posted on 04/10/2014 4:00:17 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Kartographer

NORK EMP Ping.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 4:08:45 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Abny savvy Freepers know what, precisely, this would knock out or where we could find a comprehensive list?

Computers, yes; telephones, too, I’m guessing. Televisions and portable radios?

ATM machines, eh?

Cash registers?

How about microwave ovens?

The thermostat on the wall?

The whole electrical grid?

What about water pumps out in the yard?

City/suburban water pumps that bring us our suburban water...?

Anything else?

Satellites in space?

What’s the range of an EMP blast?


3 posted on 04/10/2014 4:09:54 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Former Proud Canadian

It seems these studies always have an agenda, whether it is true or not, makes no matter.

What is the agenda?


4 posted on 04/10/2014 4:10:11 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I doubt they are much of a threat to the continental US, EMP or otherwise. They seem incapable of many things.


5 posted on 04/10/2014 4:22:20 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

6 posted on 04/10/2014 4:28:25 AM PDT by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

My preference is that they hit a relatively remote island in Hawaii. Unless an EMP is DEMONSTRATED nobody will believe it’s real. They simply won’t...and our systems will not get hardened.

We’ve already made the decision to let Iran and the Norks go nuclear - we might as well start defending ourselves against the results of that policy.


7 posted on 04/10/2014 4:31:48 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Jack Hammer

Ideally the range is line of sight. One bomb over kansas could effect the entire us. Emp can effect any device with a chip in it. Practically the damage depends on strength of the pulse. Distance, efficiency of the bomb, metal or earthen shielding will impact the damage. Damage could be total or it could be hit and miss.


8 posted on 04/10/2014 4:32:13 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The last i heard their rocket could only put about 65kg into orbit. Their bomb is thought to be significantly heavier.


9 posted on 04/10/2014 4:33:34 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

if we were to reply in kind, nothing would happen to North Korea...they have nothing for an EMP to effect.


10 posted on 04/10/2014 4:37:13 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Jack Hammer

We have exploded thousands of nuclear weapons below and above ground. Many were very high-altitude. EMP effects are real, but hysteria exaggerates EMT threat. One 10-50kt nuke isn’t going to send us back to the 19th century.


11 posted on 04/10/2014 4:38:50 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
if we were to reply in kind, nothing would happen to North Korea...they have nothing for an EMP to effect.


12 posted on 04/10/2014 4:40:57 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: BobL

The US government under this president is not in the business of defending its citizens. I’m afraid that EMP defense is up to individuals.


13 posted on 04/10/2014 4:43:46 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Vaquero
Ya beat me to it .. LOL

Ergo, this one is not too high on my OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE list, ya know ?

14 posted on 04/10/2014 4:44:10 AM PDT by tomkat (no guilt, no apologies)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

“Comments? Anyone?”

Why would they want to attack the US with an EMP?

I doubt that any other country will bother to keep sending them food.


15 posted on 04/10/2014 4:47:50 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

On your questions as to the motive, what makes you think that logic would enter into the equation?


16 posted on 04/10/2014 4:52:31 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Former Proud Canadian
He said, however, that the U.S. does not have its missile defense system oriented toward an attack from a southern polar missile launch attack on the U.S. Instead, all missile defenses are positioned for an attack from the north.

Jeez.

Pry said that an EMP attack on the U.S. would not have to originate from North Korea but could be a missile, such as the SA-2, launched from a freighter off the U.S. East or Gulf Coasts. At that point, there would be no missile defense capable of halting such an event.

Double Jeez.

17 posted on 04/10/2014 4:54:40 AM PDT by McGruff (Want to hurt Mozilla? Don't use Firefox's search bar. That is their money maker.)
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To: tomkat

The people in power in NK have all the electricity they want or need.


18 posted on 04/10/2014 4:55:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
NKOR and Iranian alliance. Iranian warships are loose in the Atlantic Ocean. Potentially capable of launching an EMP device our way.

Very highly probable China has strategically prepositioned EMP devices. No fuss no muss.

A moment after, ha, they will wait a year until American society has totally chaotically dissolved. Then they willl recolonize the new world.

19 posted on 04/10/2014 4:57:53 AM PDT by Tugo (22LF = MAD-MAX WORLD CURRENCY)
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To: McGruff

Please elaborate your comments.


20 posted on 04/10/2014 4:59:40 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
In order to do this, North Korea is going to need access to a pretty powerful warhead--probably in the 250-300 kT range detonated about 100 miles off the ground, similar to the Soviet-era 184 K3 test done in October 1962.
21 posted on 04/10/2014 5:00:10 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

How long, do you think, before they get that warhead?


22 posted on 04/10/2014 5:01:33 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Tugo
"Iranian warships are loose in the Atlantic Ocean."

Not really. They didn't get past the Gulf of Aden, but your point is taken.

"...China has strategically prepositioned EMP devices."

China has ICBM's in silos. Just change the flight profile and detonation altitude. They do not need to "preposition".

23 posted on 04/10/2014 5:04:59 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

They could do it...with help. Chinese/Russian/ Iranian...techs “advising”. How would we know after they take out the grid? Then the Chinese/ Russians step in to “punish” NK and help us out with rebuilding...


24 posted on 04/10/2014 5:05:02 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

In theory if everything works as t should, it is theoretically possible

I’ve seen no evidence of the actual ability for everything to work perfectly


25 posted on 04/10/2014 5:05:30 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
I believe they could create a high-atmospheric EMP, but I don't know how strong it would be without examining their nuclear technology. If they've had help from China or Russia, yeah, they probably could do it.

But why go over the south pole? Too far, and in the wrong direction. Why not launch from the far north Atlantic, and follow a great-circle route to a point roughly 250 miles above Kansas, and let the nuke off? Or, just pop it off 150 miles above Washington, DC, which would probably darken the whole East Coast?

26 posted on 04/10/2014 5:08:14 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: RayChuang88

” North Korea is going to need access to a pretty powerful warhead—probably in the 250-300 kT”

and EMP is faily insensitive to the specific size of the nuclear blast - A 1-10kT warhead will do the trick. It’s the gamma-yield that matters. If NK has a “fizzler” warhead as has been speculated, which is an enhanced gamma-yield warhead they may, indeed have an existing EMP capability.


27 posted on 04/10/2014 5:11:16 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: DCBryan1
One 10-50kt nuke isn’t going to send us back to the 19th century.

Agree, no 50kt nuke as such. But if they add a depleted-uranium casing, with help from the Russians or Chinese, that significantly improves gamma output, to maximize the Compton effect, and pop it off high enough above the atmosphere, yeah, it could blow every ultra-high-voltage transformer on the East Coast. And America only has one manufacturer left. And they have a backlog. It would be MONTHS without power. Yes, even with a 50 kt nuke.

It's the geomagnetic currents from the Compton effect electrons interacting with Earth's magnetic field that does it. With that level of yield, your iPhone would be just fine. The transformers that couple to the power generating stations, though, would be toast.

28 posted on 04/10/2014 5:12:14 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The crazies are gaining in power each and every day. “World Destabilization” any one?


29 posted on 04/10/2014 5:13:32 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Jack Hammer

What gets “knocked out” is highly dependent on the parameters of the blast. Most likely, it would kill every last ultra-high-voltage transformer on the electrical grid before it killed your car or wall thermostat.


30 posted on 04/10/2014 5:13:36 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: McGruff

Yeah, it’s a stupid plan. Launching from a ship in the Gulf would be more effective.


31 posted on 04/10/2014 5:14:55 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: driftdiver
Yes, I suppose that's true .. will add to the list   d:^)
32 posted on 04/10/2014 5:15:14 AM PDT by tomkat (no guilt, no apologies)
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To: RayChuang88
In order to do this, North Korea is going to need access to a pretty powerful warhead--probably in the 250-300 kT range detonated about 100 miles off the ground, similar to the Soviet-era 184 K3

I don't think so. The EMP effect in the K3 test was accidental, remember. With gamma enhancement of the warhead from their Russian or Chinese friends, a significantly smaller yield--maybe as low as 50kt-- could do the same job, EMP-wise. Remember, it would be the electrical grid their after. So, it's the secondary EMP effect--geomagnetic currents-- not the primary EMP effect--the one that kills "chips"-- that they would be after.

33 posted on 04/10/2014 5:17:04 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: PoloSec
It seems these studies always have an agenda, whether it is true or not, makes no matter.

Exactly right. For tinfoil hatters, it might be to cover a false flag. As for me, I only say, "get off your asses, quit spying on the American people, and do something about the real threats. That's what you get paid for. Are you incompetent?"

34 posted on 04/10/2014 5:17:45 AM PDT by jammer
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To: Former Proud Canadian

But the Chinese would need to be able to “blame it” on the Norks. They don’t want US generals overriding Obama and raining nuclear fire down on the their country.


35 posted on 04/10/2014 5:18:25 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: RFEngineer

Right on, RFEngineer! Exactly what I have been saying. Enhancing gamma output is possible independent of yield.


36 posted on 04/10/2014 5:19:17 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The questionable content of Chinese satellites currently orbiting the planet might be of some concern. Especially stationary orbits over strategic targets. Can we trust US Space Command in Cheyenne Mt. has a firm grip what’s up there now?


37 posted on 04/10/2014 5:22:21 AM PDT by Tugo (22LR = MAD-MAX WORLD CURRENCY)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Comments? Anyone?

They are just as likely to nuke themselves with their own bomb as we are likely to nuke ourselves with Hillary.

38 posted on 04/10/2014 5:27:39 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Does this mean Joe Sixpack will have his house and his person searched more often by DHS?


39 posted on 04/10/2014 5:31:50 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Google "Club K"
40 posted on 04/10/2014 5:31:51 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Tugo

You make another good point. However, I don’t know we can expect the USAF to know what is inside a Chinese satellite.


41 posted on 04/10/2014 5:50:09 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I’m not too worried.

Their leader doesn’t seem bright enough to have the ability to operate an electric can opener.


42 posted on 04/10/2014 5:56:09 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Jack, opening this discussion will be tantamount to hijacking my own thread. I live in Canada. My wife is a US citizen who commutes 4/5 times a week to work in the US. I travel back and forth a lot, yesterday was the last time. DHS is getting heavier every day and I'm not referring to problems entering the US, the problem is leaving the US.

If you want to discuss this freepmail me.

43 posted on 04/10/2014 5:56:51 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Would fissionable material in orbit radiate a discernible signature?
44 posted on 04/10/2014 5:59:51 AM PDT by Tugo (22LR = MAD-MAX WORLD CURRENCY)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Scary stuff! If it were from a source more reliable than WND, I’d be extremely worried.


45 posted on 04/10/2014 6:02:49 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Former Proud Canadian
a copy obtained by Peter Vincent Pry

Glad he was able to PRY that loose.


46 posted on 04/10/2014 6:03:15 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Former Proud Canadian

So all the tanks, bullets, swat teams, thugs and goons are to take on the North Koreans? I wish.


47 posted on 04/10/2014 6:03:56 AM PDT by GOPJ (When fascism comes it will come..with promises of a better world.The jackboots come later..-Shapiro)
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To: Hawthorn
If it were from a source more reliable than WND, I’d be extremely worried.

Anyone check DEBKA for confirmation?


48 posted on 04/10/2014 6:03:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Tugo

You would think, but, I don’t know.


49 posted on 04/10/2014 6:07:01 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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and here she be:

http://www.n2yo.com/?s=39026


50 posted on 04/10/2014 6:43:36 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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