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This Japanese toilet should make Americans very worried
The Week ^ | April 9, 2014 | Noah Smith

Posted on 04/10/2014 7:16:24 AM PDT by C19fan

I remember about 10 years ago, I was watching a National Geographic show about a hunter-gatherer tribe in Papua New Guinea. The men were running around in loincloths with spears, hunting animals, making offerings to the gods — you know, typical primitive-tribe stuff. But okay, I don't judge... we're all descended from people like that.

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I suspect that the real reason we don't adopt Japanese toilets is the very fact that people are so eager to give reasons not to. We've grown used to the idea that everything good is invented in America. If it wasn't invented here, it must not be worth having, we tell ourselves. It's a toxic combination of "golden age mentality" and national chauvinism — a symptom of "Ming America."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Japan
KEYWORDS: bettermousetrap; japan; japanesetoilets; progress; redesign; seatheat; toilet
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The author is claiming because Americans do not buy fancy toilets like they they have in Japan that is somehow a sign of Americans not adopting the best technology in the world and we will suffer the same fate as Imperial China. Relying on one item is a real stretch. Japan has had fancy toilets for as long as I remember. I do not know how much it costs but I am sure it orders of magnitude more than a basic porcelain model. Also, I do not see these fancy toilets being adopted outside of Japan, say in Europe. So it seems the Occam's Razor answer is there is something in Japan's culture that they like their toilets to be gadgets just like almost everything else in their life, for example, vending machines. It seems the author seems to forget when it comes to electronics and camera equipment, Americans have a long standing huge bias in favor of Japanese brands.
1 posted on 04/10/2014 7:16:24 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

In addition to your good points, we adapted Brit toilet technology quickly and soon had more indoor johns than they did.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 7:20:10 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: C19fan

“.... The men were running around in loincloths with spears, hunting animals, making offerings to the gods — you know, typical primitive-tribe stuff....”

Wow... sounds like my old North Philly neighborhood on a Friday night...


3 posted on 04/10/2014 7:20:57 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: C19fan

I remember a Japanese family in this area. They had been here for over a hundred years but still kept up with their relatives in Japan. This family had become quite wealthy.

They made a trip to Japan to visit family. After only a couple of days they couldn’t take it any longer and moved into a hotel for the rest of their visit.


4 posted on 04/10/2014 7:22:16 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: C19fan

Most people don’t want to spend a thousand dollars for a toilet. The TOTO’s are nice units but run on the expensive side.

Quote a price north of two hundred to three hundred dollars plus installation for a toilet and you begin to get the sideways looks from customers.


5 posted on 04/10/2014 7:23:03 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: C19fan

Because... racism. Yeah that’s it. It wasn’t invented here so we don’t like because we wacist.


6 posted on 04/10/2014 7:25:56 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: C19fan

Sometimes a toilet is just a toilet.


7 posted on 04/10/2014 7:26:22 AM PDT by DManA
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To: headstamp 2

The old standard low tech toilet is one of the greatest inventions of all time. They’re virtually indestructible, easily repaired and will last many lifetimes.


8 posted on 04/10/2014 7:27:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DManA; C19fan

Al Bundy didn’t think so....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqT21Pv1CAs


9 posted on 04/10/2014 7:28:12 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: C19fan

Rich Americans have had these for years. I’m sure Hilary wears out two a year.


10 posted on 04/10/2014 7:29:17 AM PDT by jetson
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To: DManA; C19fan

... and the bathroom of his dreams...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsHmXv-z2WM


11 posted on 04/10/2014 7:29:22 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: C19fan

Its because most Americans don’t give a crap about their toilet. As long as it goes wooosh and takes the smelly stuff away.


12 posted on 04/10/2014 7:29:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: C19fan

Very easy to shoot this idiot down. When I lived in my old apartment in Osaka, I had a washlets toilet, when I lived in Kyoto, I didn’t. The difference is price. I paid around $600
a month for a high turnover 150 sq. ft apt. in Osaka - I paid $560 for a low turnover 300 sq. ft apt. in Kyoto.

A toilet costs maybe around $150-$250 with maybe $5 in toilet paper a month to use. A washlet set costs AT LEAST $500 with about $10 a month in electricity/water costs to use. It’s basic economics that Americans would have no demand for a more expensive toilet with no real additional benefits other than a warm toilet seat and a squirting water nozzle? In fact, Americans are actually smarter because they use lower-tech, more affordable products. There also is a device in Japan present in many department stores toilets that makes the sound of a toilet flushing so that you can cover the sound of you pooping without wasting water. That would seem stupid to an American, with a clear reason.

The train comparison also is stupid. I lived in Japan for five years and never drove. Driving in Japan is a luxury every except rural areas. Japan is also about the size of California with almost three times the population. Americans choose car travel because America is farther spread out, Americans find the freedom of it attractive, and it’s more affordable to use a car than construct huge grids of train tracks throughout the nation, causing both eminent domain and environmental problems for a questionable end.

Economics rules everything - people that ignore the realities of economics look like fools upon close inspection of economic facts.


13 posted on 04/10/2014 7:30:21 AM PDT by struggle
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To: C19fan
Have you ever sat on a heated toilet seat? It is an experience not to be missed. Imagine a heated car seat on a cold day, and then imagine that without pants.

Alaska. Outdoor, unheated toilets. -30°F

I don't find the indoor, room temp toilet seats such a hardship any more.

14 posted on 04/10/2014 7:30:29 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: C19fan

I have two Toto toilets - but not the fancy seat.
Still, by far the best toilets I have ever owned, by a long shot.

I really think if I had a tuba case, that toilet would have
no issue flushing it down (assuming I could get it through
my bathroom door.

I am seriously thinking about buying one of the fancy seats.


15 posted on 04/10/2014 7:30:42 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: C19fan

I’ve been to many countries, and no other country in the world has adopted Japanese toilets.


16 posted on 04/10/2014 7:30:57 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: C19fan
The men were running around in loincloths with spears, hunting animals, making offerings to the gods—you know, typical primitive-tribe stuff. But okay, I don't judge… we’re all descended from people like that
No we are not.
17 posted on 04/10/2014 7:31:16 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: C19fan
Had to use one while staying at the Marriott on Okinawa - too many buttons and switches, I kept getting confused which button did what.
First time it was like: "Woah - what the hell was that?!!!
18 posted on 04/10/2014 7:31:23 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: C19fan

Primitive man uses a spear.

You show him how to use an atlatl and he will use it.

Then show him how to use a bow and arrow and he will use it.

Then show primitive man how to use a super modern compound bow with cables, wheels, fiberglass, and he will probably reject it as he has no means of making such a thing.

We Americans still like things simple.

One today could design a super modern electronic salt shaker that measures out the amount of salt you really need by using an electronic probe in the food, but would you really use it?

I still like a nice gas stove and oven with dial controls instead of a super modern electronic control. Electricity goes out, dial operated stove still works, but not the electronic pad stove.


19 posted on 04/10/2014 7:31:53 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: C19fan

Loincloths in Papua New Guinea? More like bare butts and penis sheaths...


20 posted on 04/10/2014 7:31:58 AM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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To: Verbosus

You need a Ferguson... the Stradivarius of Toilet Bowls...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwYGLs7Nfe4


21 posted on 04/10/2014 7:32:05 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: C19fan

I am still trying to figure out the three seashells.


22 posted on 04/10/2014 7:32:08 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Beat Lamar! And, if that doesn't work, let's defeat him in the primary.)
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To: C19fan

One can also purchase used panties from a vending machine in Japan.

Just because the Japanese like something doesn’t mean Americans should like it too.


23 posted on 04/10/2014 7:32:13 AM PDT by Eaker (Sweat dries, blood clots and bones heal so suck it up buttercup.)
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To: C19fan

“What are you talkin’ about, Doc? All the best stuff comes from Japan!” - Marty McFly


24 posted on 04/10/2014 7:32:19 AM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: C19fan
We lived in Japan 1988-2002. One of the things I really liked about Japanese Loos even before they invented those wonderful toilet seats which do everything from wash your butthole to analyze stool samples was a flush handle which flipped to the left for a number one and to the right for a number two. The water came out through the faucet at the top of the loo and allowed you to wash your hands before it got used to rise out the deposit in the bowl.

Very ingenious and time saving as well as water saving. Plus the fact that the loo was located in a separate closet sized room meant that someone else could bathe, wash up or apply make-up at the same time-- a great survival mechanism with three daughters and a wife sharing the facilities.

25 posted on 04/10/2014 7:32:33 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Monterrosa-24

we adapted Brit toilet technology quickly and soon had more indoor johns than they did.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Actually the “Poles” invented the toilet seat.
It took an “Irishman” to put the hole in it.

Japan is now the ‘Flagship’ for toilets?

My first trip to Japan consisted of people basically stopping what they were doing and ‘going’. Benjo ditches were common, running up and down the sides of streets.

Going up to Bangkok Thailand was a thrill as the locals would use the RIVER for everything. Wash Clothes. Water the animals. Head. Brush teeth etc etc etc.

One of the more ‘popular’ spots in Subic Bay, RPI, was the ‘Shit River Bridge’ where the aptly named ‘river’ separating The Naval Base from Olongapo, was the scene of local lads diving into the water(?) to retrieve coins etc.

So, I guess our Neighbors on the ‘other side’ are progressing.


26 posted on 04/10/2014 7:32:44 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".))
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To: C19fan

Well, Noah Smith’s right... nothing in United States is made in Japan... /s


27 posted on 04/10/2014 7:33:17 AM PDT by GOPJ (When fascism comes it will come..with promises of a better world.The jackboots come later..-Shapiro)
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“Japanese turnstiles allow you to pay by swiping a card across a scanner as you walk through (you can also swipe those cards to pay at a store). America does not have these things. We have failed to absorb these foreign technologies.”

He’s wrong on these counts, since we have both card scanners on turnstiles and at stores in the area where I live.


28 posted on 04/10/2014 7:34:57 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: null and void

What does one of these fancy toilets do when there’s no power? Does it default to a dumb toilet or crap out entirely?


29 posted on 04/10/2014 7:35:47 AM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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To: tnlibertarian

Good. Real good!


30 posted on 04/10/2014 7:35:52 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: C19fan

Yeah. Right. We’re doing something (although barely doing it lately) that the Japanese aren’t even close to doing now.

Reproducing.

Scary long term fertility numbers coming from Japan.


31 posted on 04/10/2014 7:38:23 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Verbosus

Totos are great. Low water use and very rarely need to flush more than once.


32 posted on 04/10/2014 7:40:46 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: Vigilanteman

The more complicated a thing is, the harder it is to clean.


33 posted on 04/10/2014 7:41:49 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: C19fan

34 posted on 04/10/2014 7:42:50 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: C19fan

Now there's a commode.

36 posted on 04/10/2014 7:44:19 AM PDT by McGruff (Want to hurt Mozilla? Don't use Firefox's search bar. That is their money maker.)
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37 posted on 04/10/2014 7:44:44 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: C19fan
When I first went to Japan in the 1960’s their toilets were a hole in the floor. In the fancy hotels and resturants, the hole was in a shallow trough with stone footpads on either side. Not very comfortable for most americans.

The japs could make and sell great cameras, audio equipment and many other great products. These were all for the rich Americans.( I was making $120 am month an an e-2 in the Navy) Most locals could not afford any of these things nor did they want any of this crap which would destroy their culture.( and it did)

I make no excuses about not buying their toilets other than I'm not rich enough nor laxy enough to pay $2,000 for a crapper.

38 posted on 04/10/2014 7:45:04 AM PDT by Big Mack (I love this country. ItÂ’s the government that scares the crap out of me)
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To: Boogieman

He’s obviously never been to a MTA station in NYC either. They’ve been using swipey cards there for 20 years or so now.


39 posted on 04/10/2014 7:46:05 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: driftdiver
This American soldier would have been happy to have anywhere to do his business rather than die at the hands of of Japs.
40 posted on 04/10/2014 7:48:45 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Verbosus

After the brutally cold Winter that we had, I must admit that I find the idea of a heated toilet seat quite appealing. There are few things more jarring that waking up in the middle of the night to use the facilities and having one’s butt coming into contact with an icy seat. I’ve had to peel myself off the ceiling quite a few times!


41 posted on 04/10/2014 7:49:58 AM PDT by SoKatt ("Change" is not a strategy!)
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To: yarddog
Understandable. When my family and I returned from living in Europe the amount of open space around us literally caused me to take a deep breath and relax. An "ahhh, home!" moment. The width of the roads, size of parking spaces, openness of aisles in stores, everything made me realize that I had felt, mostly unconsciously, compressed into a claustrophobic box by an environment that native Europeans are used to. I would suspect when they come to America many if not most have the mirror image reaction to our open space, a sub awareness agoraphobic unease.

Japan is several orders of magnitude more compressed than Europe. Personal space, like that of a crushed commuter on a rush hour Shinkansen subway car in Tokyo, must be found inward. Such commuters can be seen standing in place supported by all the bodies pressed up around them with eyes closed as if they're taking a nap. Interior spaces of homes, offices, restaurants, bars, are all efficiently miniature. And unless one is raised in that compressed reality it is stressful.

Japanese-Americans are no different than any of us whose ancestors came from someplace else. I've got a colleague (San-Sei, third generation J-A) who felt completely alien when she visited Japan, and had the added burden of dealing with the reactions of locals to whom she looked as Japanese as them but reacted almost like Donald Sutherland in the final scene of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when she opened her mouth.

42 posted on 04/10/2014 7:50:47 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: katana

Sorry, subway is “Chikatetsu”. Shinkansen are the “bullet trains”, which are quite comfortable and a joy to ride.


43 posted on 04/10/2014 7:53:31 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: C19fan

The last time I spent any real time in Japan was in the late ‘70s. The Japanese toilets were flush with the floor and you had a bar to grab onto to keep you in a stable squatting position.


44 posted on 04/10/2014 7:53:35 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: C19fan

Does it take care of large solids to eliminate the occasional need for a plunger?


45 posted on 04/10/2014 7:53:44 AM PDT by jughandle ( "We have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!" -HRColl)
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To: Verbosus

I have two Toto toilets - but not the fancy seat.
Still, by far the best toilets I have ever owned, by a long shot.


They function well, but after a few years, their valves and such need replacing like any other.

Also, those wonderful “soft close” seats fail after a few years of use, with the friction mechanism wearing out.

The Washlet seats are popular among those who would actually use an available bidet. They are a pleasant novelty I’ve tried, but I’ve never even thought about wishing for one.


46 posted on 04/10/2014 7:57:07 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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To: NFHale
Like 52nd?


47 posted on 04/10/2014 7:57:21 AM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: Big Mack

Squatting To Eliminate Is Healthier

We are hardly the first to feel strongly about this: doctors, naturopaths, and assorted holistic health professionals have pointed out the hazards of the modern toilet for years. There is empirical evidence that suggests that elevating your feet during elimination is healthier.

The modern day toilet is convenient, but has one major fault; it requires us to sit. While sitting to do our business may be considered “civilized”, studies show the natural squat position improves our ability to eliminate. Better elimination may decrease many modern day ailments including bloating, straining, hemorrhoids and constipation.

http://www.squattypotty.com/Articles.asp?ID=256


48 posted on 04/10/2014 7:59:39 AM PDT by petercooper ("I was for letting people keep their health insurance, before I wasn't". --- Barack Obama)
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To: cripplecreek
The old standard low tech toilet is one of the greatest inventions of all time. They’re virtually indestructible, easily repaired and will last many lifetimes.

Yep and now because of EPA standards you can only get a toilet that flushes with a cup and a half of water which has to be flushed 3 times.

I just installed 2 of them and they are a joke. I wish I had the old ones back. If I ever need a new one I am going to buy an antique one, I don't care how much it costs.

49 posted on 04/10/2014 8:03:10 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: katana

I know what you mean. This family’s daughter was a real beauty and I saw an interview of her on TV after she had won a beauty contest.

Seeing an obviously Japanese girl speak with a strong Southern accent was almost unsettling.


50 posted on 04/10/2014 8:05:30 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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