Skip to comments.This Japanese toilet should make Americans very worried
Posted on 04/10/2014 7:16:24 AM PDT by C19fan
I remember about 10 years ago, I was watching a National Geographic show about a hunter-gatherer tribe in Papua New Guinea. The men were running around in loincloths with spears, hunting animals, making offerings to the gods you know, typical primitive-tribe stuff. But okay, I don't judge... we're all descended from people like that.
I suspect that the real reason we don't adopt Japanese toilets is the very fact that people are so eager to give reasons not to. We've grown used to the idea that everything good is invented in America. If it wasn't invented here, it must not be worth having, we tell ourselves. It's a toxic combination of "golden age mentality" and national chauvinism a symptom of "Ming America."
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In addition to your good points, we adapted Brit toilet technology quickly and soon had more indoor johns than they did.
“.... The men were running around in loincloths with spears, hunting animals, making offerings to the gods you know, typical primitive-tribe stuff....”
Wow... sounds like my old North Philly neighborhood on a Friday night...
I remember a Japanese family in this area. They had been here for over a hundred years but still kept up with their relatives in Japan. This family had become quite wealthy.
They made a trip to Japan to visit family. After only a couple of days they couldn’t take it any longer and moved into a hotel for the rest of their visit.
Most people don’t want to spend a thousand dollars for a toilet. The TOTO’s are nice units but run on the expensive side.
Quote a price north of two hundred to three hundred dollars plus installation for a toilet and you begin to get the sideways looks from customers.
Because... racism. Yeah that’s it. It wasn’t invented here so we don’t like because we wacist.
Sometimes a toilet is just a toilet.
The old standard low tech toilet is one of the greatest inventions of all time. They’re virtually indestructible, easily repaired and will last many lifetimes.
Al Bundy didn’t think so....
Rich Americans have had these for years. I’m sure Hilary wears out two a year.
... and the bathroom of his dreams...
Its because most Americans don’t give a crap about their toilet. As long as it goes wooosh and takes the smelly stuff away.
Very easy to shoot this idiot down. When I lived in my old apartment in Osaka, I had a washlets toilet, when I lived in Kyoto, I didn’t. The difference is price. I paid around $600
a month for a high turnover 150 sq. ft apt. in Osaka - I paid $560 for a low turnover 300 sq. ft apt. in Kyoto.
A toilet costs maybe around $150-$250 with maybe $5 in toilet paper a month to use. A washlet set costs AT LEAST $500 with about $10 a month in electricity/water costs to use. It’s basic economics that Americans would have no demand for a more expensive toilet with no real additional benefits other than a warm toilet seat and a squirting water nozzle? In fact, Americans are actually smarter because they use lower-tech, more affordable products. There also is a device in Japan present in many department stores toilets that makes the sound of a toilet flushing so that you can cover the sound of you pooping without wasting water. That would seem stupid to an American, with a clear reason.
The train comparison also is stupid. I lived in Japan for five years and never drove. Driving in Japan is a luxury every except rural areas. Japan is also about the size of California with almost three times the population. Americans choose car travel because America is farther spread out, Americans find the freedom of it attractive, and it’s more affordable to use a car than construct huge grids of train tracks throughout the nation, causing both eminent domain and environmental problems for a questionable end.
Economics rules everything - people that ignore the realities of economics look like fools upon close inspection of economic facts.
Alaska. Outdoor, unheated toilets. -30°F
I don't find the indoor, room temp toilet seats such a hardship any more.
I have two Toto toilets - but not the fancy seat.
Still, by far the best toilets I have ever owned, by a long shot.
I really think if I had a tuba case, that toilet would have
no issue flushing it down (assuming I could get it through
my bathroom door.
I am seriously thinking about buying one of the fancy seats.
I’ve been to many countries, and no other country in the world has adopted Japanese toilets.
The men were running around in loincloths with spears, hunting animals, making offerings to the godsyou know, typical primitive-tribe stuff. But okay, I don't judge were all descended from people like thatNo we are not.
Primitive man uses a spear.
You show him how to use an atlatl and he will use it.
Then show him how to use a bow and arrow and he will use it.
Then show primitive man how to use a super modern compound bow with cables, wheels, fiberglass, and he will probably reject it as he has no means of making such a thing.
We Americans still like things simple.
One today could design a super modern electronic salt shaker that measures out the amount of salt you really need by using an electronic probe in the food, but would you really use it?
I still like a nice gas stove and oven with dial controls instead of a super modern electronic control. Electricity goes out, dial operated stove still works, but not the electronic pad stove.
Loincloths in Papua New Guinea? More like bare butts and penis sheaths...
You need a Ferguson... the Stradivarius of Toilet Bowls...
I am still trying to figure out the three seashells.
One can also purchase used panties from a vending machine in Japan.
Just because the Japanese like something doesn’t mean Americans should like it too.
“What are you talkin’ about, Doc? All the best stuff comes from Japan!” - Marty McFly
Very ingenious and time saving as well as water saving. Plus the fact that the loo was located in a separate closet sized room meant that someone else could bathe, wash up or apply make-up at the same time-- a great survival mechanism with three daughters and a wife sharing the facilities.
we adapted Brit toilet technology quickly and soon had more indoor johns than they did.
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Actually the “Poles” invented the toilet seat.
It took an “Irishman” to put the hole in it.
Japan is now the ‘Flagship’ for toilets?
My first trip to Japan consisted of people basically stopping what they were doing and ‘going’. Benjo ditches were common, running up and down the sides of streets.
Going up to Bangkok Thailand was a thrill as the locals would use the RIVER for everything. Wash Clothes. Water the animals. Head. Brush teeth etc etc etc.
One of the more ‘popular’ spots in Subic Bay, RPI, was the ‘Shit River Bridge’ where the aptly named ‘river’ separating The Naval Base from Olongapo, was the scene of local lads diving into the water(?) to retrieve coins etc.
So, I guess our Neighbors on the ‘other side’ are progressing.
Well, Noah Smith’s right... nothing in United States is made in Japan... /s
“Japanese turnstiles allow you to pay by swiping a card across a scanner as you walk through (you can also swipe those cards to pay at a store). America does not have these things. We have failed to absorb these foreign technologies.”
He’s wrong on these counts, since we have both card scanners on turnstiles and at stores in the area where I live.
What does one of these fancy toilets do when there’s no power? Does it default to a dumb toilet or crap out entirely?
Good. Real good!
Yeah. Right. We’re doing something (although barely doing it lately) that the Japanese aren’t even close to doing now.
Scary long term fertility numbers coming from Japan.
Totos are great. Low water use and very rarely need to flush more than once.
The more complicated a thing is, the harder it is to clean.
Now there's a commode.
The japs could make and sell great cameras, audio equipment and many other great products. These were all for the rich Americans.( I was making $120 am month an an e-2 in the Navy) Most locals could not afford any of these things nor did they want any of this crap which would destroy their culture.( and it did)
I make no excuses about not buying their toilets other than I'm not rich enough nor laxy enough to pay $2,000 for a crapper.
He’s obviously never been to a MTA station in NYC either. They’ve been using swipey cards there for 20 years or so now.
After the brutally cold Winter that we had, I must admit that I find the idea of a heated toilet seat quite appealing. There are few things more jarring that waking up in the middle of the night to use the facilities and having one’s butt coming into contact with an icy seat. I’ve had to peel myself off the ceiling quite a few times!
Japan is several orders of magnitude more compressed than Europe. Personal space, like that of a crushed commuter on a rush hour Shinkansen subway car in Tokyo, must be found inward. Such commuters can be seen standing in place supported by all the bodies pressed up around them with eyes closed as if they're taking a nap. Interior spaces of homes, offices, restaurants, bars, are all efficiently miniature. And unless one is raised in that compressed reality it is stressful.
Japanese-Americans are no different than any of us whose ancestors came from someplace else. I've got a colleague (San-Sei, third generation J-A) who felt completely alien when she visited Japan, and had the added burden of dealing with the reactions of locals to whom she looked as Japanese as them but reacted almost like Donald Sutherland in the final scene of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when she opened her mouth.
Sorry, subway is “Chikatetsu”. Shinkansen are the “bullet trains”, which are quite comfortable and a joy to ride.
The last time I spent any real time in Japan was in the late ‘70s. The Japanese toilets were flush with the floor and you had a bar to grab onto to keep you in a stable squatting position.
Does it take care of large solids to eliminate the occasional need for a plunger?
I have two Toto toilets - but not the fancy seat.
Still, by far the best toilets I have ever owned, by a long shot.
Also, those wonderful “soft close” seats fail after a few years of use, with the friction mechanism wearing out.
The Washlet seats are popular among those who would actually use an available bidet. They are a pleasant novelty I’ve tried, but I’ve never even thought about wishing for one.
Squatting To Eliminate Is Healthier
We are hardly the first to feel strongly about this: doctors, naturopaths, and assorted holistic health professionals have pointed out the hazards of the modern toilet for years. There is empirical evidence that suggests that elevating your feet during elimination is healthier.
The modern day toilet is convenient, but has one major fault; it requires us to sit. While sitting to do our business may be considered civilized, studies show the natural squat position improves our ability to eliminate. Better elimination may decrease many modern day ailments including bloating, straining, hemorrhoids and constipation.
Yep and now because of EPA standards you can only get a toilet that flushes with a cup and a half of water which has to be flushed 3 times.
I just installed 2 of them and they are a joke. I wish I had the old ones back. If I ever need a new one I am going to buy an antique one, I don't care how much it costs.
I know what you mean. This family’s daughter was a real beauty and I saw an interview of her on TV after she had won a beauty contest.
Seeing an obviously Japanese girl speak with a strong Southern accent was almost unsettling.