Skip to comments.‘Expect To See A Band Of Soldiers’: Militia Members Arrive At Nevada Ranch
Posted on 04/10/2014 10:35:30 AM PDT by bimboeruption
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Just where does Nevada's federal and state Congress critters stand on this? Are there any real reporters, not journalists, asking them about this situation?
One of those critters is Harry Reid. Where do you think he stands?
277 head of cattle.. Well, a hell of a feud was fought over a hog, so..
The worst thing these guys are doing is organizing this whole thing over the internet.
I like Ann but I can’t help but wonder if her opinion would change if the family were Catholic instead of Mormon?
I posted the following on another thread. This is ultimately about property rights versus squatters’ rights and not states’ rights.
Its not his land. His cattle are grazing on federal land.
At the end of the Mexican-American War in 1848, Mexico and the U.S. signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo which granted title to that land to the U.S., for which the U.S. paid Mexico $15 million.
Sixteen years later in 1864, Nevada became a state. A provision of the Nevada Statehood Act of 1864 promised that Nevada would disclaim all rights to the unappropriated public lands lying within its boundaries, and that such land would remain at the sole disposition of the United States.
Cliven Bundy has no legal right to graze his cattle on federal land without permission. When he stopped paying grazing fees, the federal government sold his grazing rights to the Clark County Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan.
In short, the U.S. bought and paid for that land. It owns it. It makes the rules on it.
(Note: I made no assertions about the rightness of armed BLM officers or the 1st Amendment area and none should be inferred.)
This isn’t going to end well
In addition to reading about freedom of speech, I seem to vaguely recall something about "peaceably assembling".
Was that just a fantasy, a dream or is there such a right?
Video at source is pretty intense.
This will escalate
Certainly food for thought.
History doesn’t always work that way though. The Feds have gotten so bad that the rebellious explosion could be sparked by anything with a little or a lot of justification.
Popeye: That’s all I can stands I can’t stands no more
But I guarantee if/when serious resistance starts, regardless of the so called justification, the Feds are going to make this over reaching incursion look like a Sunday brunch.
Can’t see that we are much better off then Ukraine. Obummer administration = Putin administration. Things can get nasty just as in the Ukraine.
This guy is telling the ‘militia’ to back off.
You suggest this guy is a squatter because he had some cows and goats graze on some dusty land?
As government gang bangs the American people 24/7?
What about the tens of millions of squatters the feds force us to pay for?
We pay hundreds of *billions* to government each year to protect and secure our borders. Yet we get absolutely nothing in return except a massive tax bill to subsidize tens of millions of illegals running through our streets. Forced to pay for their housing, food, healthcare, social services, schools..etc.
What's up with that?
It’s usually used with rioters or people blocking traffic. In the South, the charge is “Lookin’ at stuff we tole you you ain’t supposed to be lookin’ at”.
The sheriff should arrest and jail the person that assaulted the rancher’s son with the stun gun.
And, in fact, Nevada disclaimed those lands when it became a state. See my post up thread.
holder and obama would love this to escalate into a distraction from their current troubles. I expect an escalation by fedgov.
According to the family, the fees were originally supposed to be used only to assist the local ranchers. But it transformed into being used against them. Please see post #5.
You are correct. The feds can not own anything other than 10 square miles and military, ports, et al.
So, now for those who claim that the feds can own land. How come that this land is then managed under a trust?
That may be the legal nub of the matter,
but I’m thinking this has more to do with
“we’re fedup with the fedgov”.
Not so. Check your facts at post # 55.
It is not over yet, shooting people will be the next thing they do. Obama and Holder , particularly Holder is taking heat. They need an incident to take the attention off Holder and the IRS. Somebody is about to die.
You know it's not that simple, tax. This is about the history of that region, open range, government control, and a clash between the old ways and the government.
First Amendment area were called First Amendment Zones yesterday.
Let me remind you that we’re talking about BLM mindset.
Those bugger eating bureaucraps.
And of course under Obozo the Constitution and the Freedom of Expression of the 1st Amendment mean absolutely nothing.
God please make the Militia’s see that they don’t need to provoke a train wreck. Obozo would just love that.
The best result is for the Congress and Senate members from NV and UT to put pressure on the Bureaucraps to back away.
I believe it.
Totally agree. I will be shocked if this does NOT escalate.
Press slandering of Militia movements after the OKC bombing silenced that movement under Clinton.
Wasn’t Jeff Head at Klamath?
I’m afraid you’re right. But when we had Ruby Ridge/Waco, there wasn’t this nationwide powder keg of hostilities, waiting for the wrong spark to set it off. I’m afraid we may be seeing a flashpoint in progress.
Some on here like to quote the constitution, but forget the 17th enumerated power under art 1 sec 8. Laughable.
“My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve.”
Uhhh....no. He was paying “grazing fees”, not “doing what I want you to do” fees. If he thought the BLM wasn’t doing their job, he should have pulled his cows off the land and quit paying the fees. Or he should have lobbied the government to reign in the BLM. He can’t just decide he isn’t getting a good deal from the government and quit paying. Hell, we’d all be doing that.
This is similar to people refusing to pay income taxes because the money goes to the military.
However, the feds should just round up the cattle, sell them, take their fees and give him whatever is left. There’s no need to turn this into Occupy SW
Most likely he wants to stand in a pool of blood while he buys thousands of acres for the price of back taxes. He has done similar things before.
Bingo! No one should be siding with this person who mooches off of the public good. He stopped paying for grazing rights BEFORE it was declared off-limits for grazing. Hes been freeloading off the govt by grazing his cattle for free and pocketing the difference. He is a trespasser and taker.
It’s isn’t fair to law-biding ranchers who have to pay for lawful grazing rights.
Ok, be right back!!!
Yes he was. I met him there.
Would like to see home addresses of these agents and their bosses posted.
I got chills up my spine reading that.
God, protect them and give them wisdom.
So let the Feds kill him for it. Maybe a Gov.sniper can get him between the eyes. You approve?
Maybe he used the wrong justification - Mormon - as his defense. How about if he said “Muslim” instead of Mormon? Do you think it would make a difference?
Eric Holder called Americans cowards. Do you think anything short of a confrontation would make the feds back down?
As much as I dislike and despise FedZilla, I believe you are correct in this situation.
Just like our Founding Fathers when they wrote and executed on the Declaration in Independence, they wanted to make sure what they were doing was right and as legal as possible, and not based on emotional response. For the same reasons our Founding Fathers took the time to make sure what they were doing were righteous in all ways possible, I believe it is important for us to do the same and examine each situation appropriately.
You know the British also had the right to tax the colonies to pay for all of the protection they provided to them against the French, Spanish and Indians, allowing them to make huge freeloading fortunes without having to pay for the upkeep of being subjects of the crown.
But I can only assume that the 4th of July is still something you consider to be a holiday too?
That’s a good way to end up in jail.
I don’t doubt you. I certainly don’t want this situation to end in violence, but the rancher and his family really don’t have a legal leg to stand on. And bringing in like minded ‘militia’ is not going to help ease the situation. Hopefully the government will finish rounding up the cattle, haul them off and sell them, then call the whole matter over and done with and let him stew on what’s left of his ranch with his militia buddies.
“The family had cattle grazing on the land before the BLM took it.”
I don’t see where my statement conflicts with any of the facts in post #55. I didn’t say the rancher owned the land, but that their cattle grazed on it until the BLM took it over. First they were charging fees “to help the ranchers” and then it became ‘to get rid of the ranchers’.
Notice how the FEDERAL government takes over states’ rights.
This will not end peacefully. The current corrupt administration hates the normal people. If it orders their jackbooted thugs to open fire, the media will all in unison say that they did the right thing.