Skip to comments.‘Expect To See A Band Of Soldiers’: Militia Members Arrive At Nevada Ranch
Posted on 04/10/2014 10:35:30 AM PDT by bimboeruption
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Regarding the cattleman in Nevada: I would strongly discourage you all from hitching your cart to this particular horse. While I have all manner of criticisms of the BLM and certainly of thuggish FEDGOV tactics, it is essential that one pick ones battles very carefully, and this is NOT a good battle to pick. The guy in question has been grazing his cattle at essentially zero feed cost for upwards of twenty years (well, THAT makes the cattle business easier, doesnt it!) because he stopped paying the BLM any lease charges. Again, we can debate all manner of things including the ridiculous rules about closing land to grazing in order to protect lizards or prairie chickens or whatever the fake endangered species du jour is, and certainly we can debate the existence of the BLM itself, but there is no free lunch; everyone else pays to graze. This guy is claiming, as I understand it, some grandfathered right to the land through the Mormon cult (again, BIG red flag), but I dont buy it. This situation stinks all around to my refined sniffer, and I would NOT die on this hill. Since so many have asked, that is my read. Just be careful with this one.
The problem is that the only peaceful "resolution" is the complete surrender of any opposition to the Federal jackboots and thugs.
I know how we got here, but I don't know how we get out.
Article IV, Section 3: "The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state."
That establishes that the federal government can own land and other properties. The land became the property of the U.S. when it was taken from Mexico. Nothing required that ownership be transferred to Nevada when it became a state.
The family had cattle grazing on the land before the BLM took it.
I thought “squatters rights” was your talking points for yesterday? Couldn’t come up with a new one today?
I meant Adam Kokesh. Not “Koresh”.
Let’s hope they know the names and home addresses of the feds. A note at their home address may remind them that they’re scaring the crap out of others. You know... tasing innocent residents and such? They haven’t shot any dogs or people yet....
They have to know that they’re accountable. What happens to these ranchers should happen to the families of the agents.
And we were all watching Connecticut...
Didn’t he pay the grazing fees for a while, then stopped?
In late 1974, AIM leaders discovered that Douglas Durham, a prominent member who was by then head of security, was an FBI informant. They confronted him and expelled him from AIM at a press conference in March 1975. With some members in fugitive status after the Pine Ridge shootout, suspicions about FBI infiltration remained high. For various reasons, Anna Mae Aquash, the “highest-ranking” woman in AIM, was mistakenly suspected of being an informant. According to testimony at trials in 2004 and 2010 of men convicted of her murder, she was interrogated in the fall of 1975. In mid-December she was taken from Denver, Colorado, to Rapid City, South Dakota, and interrogated again, then taken to Rosebud Reservation and finally to a far corner of Pine Ridge Reservation, where she was killed by a gunshot wound to the back of the head. Her body was not found until February 1976. Low-level AIM members Arlo Looking Cloud and John Graham were convicted of her murder, but many people believed that “higher-ranking” leaders had ordered it. Dissension over this issue contributed to the 1993 split in the AIM organization.
Just where does Nevada's federal and state Congress critters stand on this? Are there any real reporters, not journalists, asking them about this situation?
One of those critters is Harry Reid. Where do you think he stands?
277 head of cattle.. Well, a hell of a feud was fought over a hog, so..
The worst thing these guys are doing is organizing this whole thing over the internet.
I like Ann but I can’t help but wonder if her opinion would change if the family were Catholic instead of Mormon?
I posted the following on another thread. This is ultimately about property rights versus squatters’ rights and not states’ rights.
Its not his land. His cattle are grazing on federal land.
At the end of the Mexican-American War in 1848, Mexico and the U.S. signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo which granted title to that land to the U.S., for which the U.S. paid Mexico $15 million.
Sixteen years later in 1864, Nevada became a state. A provision of the Nevada Statehood Act of 1864 promised that Nevada would disclaim all rights to the unappropriated public lands lying within its boundaries, and that such land would remain at the sole disposition of the United States.
Cliven Bundy has no legal right to graze his cattle on federal land without permission. When he stopped paying grazing fees, the federal government sold his grazing rights to the Clark County Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan.
In short, the U.S. bought and paid for that land. It owns it. It makes the rules on it.
(Note: I made no assertions about the rightness of armed BLM officers or the 1st Amendment area and none should be inferred.)
This isn’t going to end well
In addition to reading about freedom of speech, I seem to vaguely recall something about "peaceably assembling".
Was that just a fantasy, a dream or is there such a right?
Video at source is pretty intense.
This will escalate
Certainly food for thought.
History doesn’t always work that way though. The Feds have gotten so bad that the rebellious explosion could be sparked by anything with a little or a lot of justification.
Popeye: That’s all I can stands I can’t stands no more
But I guarantee if/when serious resistance starts, regardless of the so called justification, the Feds are going to make this over reaching incursion look like a Sunday brunch.
Can’t see that we are much better off then Ukraine. Obummer administration = Putin administration. Things can get nasty just as in the Ukraine.