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‘Expect To See A Band Of Soldiers’: Militia Members Arrive At Nevada Ranch
CBS Las Vegas ^ | 4-10-2014 | Unknown to me

Posted on 04/10/2014 10:35:30 AM PDT by bimboeruption

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To: rarestia
"the state government of Nevada isn’t going to provide protection"

Just where does Nevada's federal and state Congress critters stand on this? Are there any real reporters, not journalists, asking them about this situation?

51 posted on 04/10/2014 10:58:58 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

One of those critters is Harry Reid. Where do you think he stands?


52 posted on 04/10/2014 10:59:21 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: bimboeruption

277 head of cattle.. Well, a hell of a feud was fought over a hog, so..

The worst thing these guys are doing is organizing this whole thing over the internet.


53 posted on 04/10/2014 11:01:05 AM PDT by crz
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To: DuncanWaring

I like Ann but I can’t help but wonder if her opinion would change if the family were Catholic instead of Mormon?


54 posted on 04/10/2014 11:01:50 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: DeWalt; taxcontrol; bimboeruption

I posted the following on another thread. This is ultimately about property rights versus squatters’ rights and not states’ rights.


It’s not his land. His cattle are grazing on federal land.

At the end of the Mexican-American War in 1848, Mexico and the U.S. signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo which granted title to that land to the U.S., for which the U.S. paid Mexico $15 million.

Sixteen years later in 1864, Nevada became a state. A provision of the Nevada Statehood Act of 1864 promised that Nevada would disclaim all rights to the unappropriated public lands lying within its boundaries, and that such land would remain at the sole disposition of the United States.

Cliven Bundy has no legal right to graze his cattle on federal land without permission. When he stopped paying grazing fees, the federal government sold his grazing rights to the Clark County Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan.

In short, the U.S. bought and paid for that land. It owns it. It makes the rules on it.

(Note: I made no assertions about the rightness of armed BLM officers or the 1st Amendment area and none should be inferred.)


55 posted on 04/10/2014 11:02:16 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Pride in the USA

This isn’t going to end well


56 posted on 04/10/2014 11:02:50 AM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: AppyPappy; jagusafr
refusing to disperse

In addition to reading about freedom of speech, I seem to vaguely recall something about "peaceably assembling".

Was that just a fantasy, a dream or is there such a right?

57 posted on 04/10/2014 11:03:01 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: bimboeruption

Video at source is pretty intense.

This will escalate


58 posted on 04/10/2014 11:03:18 AM PDT by kidd
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To: DuncanWaring

Certainly food for thought.

History doesn’t always work that way though. The Feds have gotten so bad that the rebellious explosion could be sparked by anything with a little or a lot of justification.

Popeye: “That’s all I can stands I can’t stands no more”

But I guarantee if/when serious resistance starts, regardless of the so called justification, the Feds are going to make this over reaching incursion look like a Sunday brunch.


59 posted on 04/10/2014 11:04:01 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: bimboeruption

Can’t see that we are much better off then Ukraine. Obummer administration = Putin administration. Things can get nasty just as in the Ukraine.


60 posted on 04/10/2014 11:04:34 AM PDT by Vinylly (?)
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To: PapaNew
I believe you should elaborate. That whole response was ,frankly, quite "muddy".
61 posted on 04/10/2014 11:05:03 AM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: lonevoice

This guy is telling the ‘militia’ to back off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42NasvIqoF4


62 posted on 04/10/2014 11:05:03 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: DuncanWaring

Bump!


63 posted on 04/10/2014 11:05:41 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: taxcontrol; Rusty0604
Wait a minute Mr. tax

You suggest this guy is a squatter because he had some cows and goats graze on some dusty land?

As government gang bangs the American people 24/7?

What about the tens of millions of squatters the feds force us to pay for?

We pay hundreds of *billions* to government each year to protect and secure our borders. Yet we get absolutely nothing in return except a massive tax bill to subsidize tens of millions of illegals running through our streets. Forced to pay for their housing, food, healthcare, social services, schools..etc.

What's up with that?

64 posted on 04/10/2014 11:06:09 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: xzins

It’s usually used with rioters or people blocking traffic. In the South, the charge is “Lookin’ at stuff we tole you you ain’t supposed to be lookin’ at”.


65 posted on 04/10/2014 11:06:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: The Sons of Liberty

The sheriff should arrest and jail the person that assaulted the rancher’s son with the stun gun.


66 posted on 04/10/2014 11:06:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: DoodleDawg

And, in fact, Nevada disclaimed those lands when it became a state. See my post up thread.


67 posted on 04/10/2014 11:07:29 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: bimboeruption

holder and obama would love this to escalate into a distraction from their current troubles. I expect an escalation by fedgov.


68 posted on 04/10/2014 11:07:37 AM PDT by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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To: bimboeruption
I was going to post this article but, I'll post it here:

UPDATE: Up to 5,000 Armed Militia Members Will Be Arriving in Bunkerville, Nevada Sometime Today


69 posted on 04/10/2014 11:07:43 AM PDT by blam
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To: AppyPappy

According to the family, the fees were originally supposed to be used only to assist the local ranchers. But it transformed into being used against them. Please see post #5.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3142927/posts?page=10#7


70 posted on 04/10/2014 11:07:53 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: DeWalt

You are correct. The feds can not own anything other than 10 square miles and military, ports, et al.
So, now for those who claim that the feds can own land. How come that this land is then managed under a trust?


71 posted on 04/10/2014 11:08:18 AM PDT by crz
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To: BuckeyeTexan

That may be the legal nub of the matter,

but I’m thinking this has more to do with
“we’re fedup with the fedgov”.


72 posted on 04/10/2014 11:08:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Rusty0604

Not so. Check your facts at post # 55.


73 posted on 04/10/2014 11:09:00 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Principled
"They haven’t shot any dogs or people yet...."

It is not over yet, shooting people will be the next thing they do. Obama and Holder , particularly Holder is taking heat. They need an incident to take the attention off Holder and the IRS. Somebody is about to die.

74 posted on 04/10/2014 11:09:21 AM PDT by sport
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To: blam

WOW!


75 posted on 04/10/2014 11:09:46 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: taxcontrol
This all comes down to either beliving that property rights trump squatters rights or the reverse.

You know it's not that simple, tax. This is about the history of that region, open range, government control, and a clash between the old ways and the government.

76 posted on 04/10/2014 11:10:04 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: bimboeruption

“First Amendment area” were called “First Amendment Zones” yesterday.

Let me remind you that we’re talking about BLM mindset.

Those bugger eating bureaucraps.

And of course under Obozo the Constitution and the Freedom of Expression of the 1st Amendment mean absolutely nothing.

God please make the Militia’s see that they don’t need to provoke a train wreck. Obozo would just love that.

The best result is for the Congress and Senate members from NV and UT to put pressure on the Bureaucraps to back away.


77 posted on 04/10/2014 11:11:19 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: MrB

Agreed.


78 posted on 04/10/2014 11:11:56 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Rusty0604

I believe it.


79 posted on 04/10/2014 11:12:44 AM PDT by bimboeruption ("We Recognize No Sovereign But God, And No King But Jesus!" - John Adams & John Hancock)
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To: sport
It is not over yet, shooting people will be the next thing they do. Obama and Holder , particularly Holder is taking heat. They need an incident to take the attention off Holder and the IRS. Somebody is about to die.

Totally agree. I will be shocked if this does NOT escalate.

80 posted on 04/10/2014 11:13:33 AM PDT by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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To: PapaNew

Press slandering of Militia movements after the OKC bombing silenced that movement under Clinton.


81 posted on 04/10/2014 11:13:39 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; Jeff Head

Wasn’t Jeff Head at Klamath?


82 posted on 04/10/2014 11:14:44 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: rarestia

I’m afraid you’re right. But when we had Ruby Ridge/Waco, there wasn’t this nationwide powder keg of hostilities, waiting for the wrong spark to set it off. I’m afraid we may be seeing a flashpoint in progress.


83 posted on 04/10/2014 11:14:48 AM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: DeWalt

Some on here like to quote the constitution, but forget the 17th enumerated power under art 1 sec 8. Laughable.


84 posted on 04/10/2014 11:16:31 AM PDT by crz
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To: Rusty0604

“My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve.”

Uhhh....no. He was paying “grazing fees”, not “doing what I want you to do” fees. If he thought the BLM wasn’t doing their job, he should have pulled his cows off the land and quit paying the fees. Or he should have lobbied the government to reign in the BLM. He can’t just decide he isn’t getting a good deal from the government and quit paying. Hell, we’d all be doing that.

This is similar to people refusing to pay income taxes because the money goes to the military.
However, the feds should just round up the cattle, sell them, take their fees and give him whatever is left. There’s no need to turn this into Occupy SW


85 posted on 04/10/2014 11:16:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: rarestia
One of those critters is Harry Reid. Where do you think he stands?

Most likely he wants to stand in a pool of blood while he buys thousands of acres for the price of back taxes. He has done similar things before.

86 posted on 04/10/2014 11:17:09 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: DuncanWaring

Bingo! No one should be siding with this person who mooches off of the public good. He stopped paying for grazing rights BEFORE it was declared off-limits for grazing. He’s been freeloading off the gov’t by grazing his cattle for free and pocketing the difference. He is a trespasser and taker.

It’s isn’t fair to law-biding ranchers who have to pay for lawful grazing rights.


87 posted on 04/10/2014 11:17:52 AM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: bimboeruption; Jeff Head; AuntB; Phil V.; Socks C.; Grampa Dave; sergeantdave; george76; ...
I'll be right back just as soon as I can round up some popcorn. Watching two Mormons fighting it out (Reid and Bundy) should make for breathless watching and waiting!!!

Ok, be right back!!!

88 posted on 04/10/2014 11:19:55 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Bill Clinton, America's 1st Black PresidentÂ… Obama, IS the LAST!!!)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Yes he was. I met him there.


89 posted on 04/10/2014 11:20:10 AM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: AppyPappy

Would like to see home addresses of these agents and their bosses posted.


90 posted on 04/10/2014 11:21:23 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: blam

I got chills up my spine reading that.

God, protect them and give them wisdom.


91 posted on 04/10/2014 11:22:04 AM PDT by bimboeruption ("We Recognize No Sovereign But God, And No King But Jesus!" - John Adams & John Hancock)
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To: Lou Budvis

So let the Feds kill him for it. Maybe a Gov.sniper can get him between the eyes. You approve?


92 posted on 04/10/2014 11:22:05 AM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: DuncanWaring

Maybe he used the wrong justification - Mormon - as his defense. How about if he said “Muslim” instead of Mormon? Do you think it would make a difference?


93 posted on 04/10/2014 11:22:09 AM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Eric Holder called Americans cowards. Do you think anything short of a confrontation would make the feds back down?


94 posted on 04/10/2014 11:23:48 AM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: MrB; BuckeyeTexan; DoodleDawg; DuncanWaring

As much as I dislike and despise FedZilla, I believe you are correct in this situation.

Just like our Founding Fathers when they wrote and executed on the Declaration in Independence, they wanted to make sure what they were doing was right and as legal as possible, and not based on emotional response. For the same reasons our Founding Fathers took the time to make sure what they were doing were righteous in all ways possible, I believe it is important for us to do the same and examine each situation appropriately.


95 posted on 04/10/2014 11:24:07 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: Lou Budvis

You know the British also had the right to tax the colonies to pay for all of the protection they provided to them against the French, Spanish and Indians, allowing them to make huge freeloading fortunes without having to pay for the upkeep of being subjects of the crown.

But I can only assume that the 4th of July is still something you consider to be a holiday too?


96 posted on 04/10/2014 11:24:40 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Principled

That’s a good way to end up in jail.


97 posted on 04/10/2014 11:24:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I don’t doubt you. I certainly don’t want this situation to end in violence, but the rancher and his family really don’t have a legal leg to stand on. And bringing in like minded ‘militia’ is not going to help ease the situation. Hopefully the government will finish rounding up the cattle, haul them off and sell them, then call the whole matter over and done with and let him stew on what’s left of his ranch with his militia buddies.


98 posted on 04/10/2014 11:26:51 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: BuckeyeTexan

“The family had cattle grazing on the land before the BLM took it.”

I don’t see where my statement conflicts with any of the facts in post #55. I didn’t say the rancher owned the land, but that their cattle grazed on it until the BLM took it over. First they were charging fees “to help the ranchers” and then it became ‘to get rid of the ranchers’.


99 posted on 04/10/2014 11:28:04 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: bimboeruption

Notice how the FEDERAL government takes over states’ rights.

This will not end peacefully. The current corrupt administration hates the normal people. If it orders their jackbooted thugs to open fire, the media will all in unison say that they did the right thing.


100 posted on 04/10/2014 11:28:04 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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