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North Korea 'is capable of striking U.S. with a nuclear electromagnetic pulse attack'
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Posted on 04/10/2014 1:38:23 PM PDT by chessplayer

North Korea has the capability to deliver on its threats to carry out a nuclear electromagnetic pulse attack on the United States, it has been claimed.

Dr Peter Vincent Pry, executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security, has reportedly seen a long-suppressed government report that concludes North Korea is capable of using an Unha-3 rocket to carry out an attack on the U.S..

He says the U.S. would be particularly vulnerable to such an attack, as any rocket from North Korea is likely to travel over the South Pole and approach from the south - something American missile defences would apparently be powerless to stop.

Such an attack on the U.S. would cripple the country's defence systems, not to mention cause chaos in any scenario where an electronic device is required - including road, sea and air transport, government and civilian communications and, of course, the throughout entire economic sector.

The leaked Department of Homeland Security report allegedly claims that North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un already successfully practiced an electromagnetic pulse attack on the U.S. in early 2013.

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KEYWORDS: emp; korea; northkorea; peterpry; petervincentpry; pry
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One bomb and we're (the few who survive) back in the 1700's.
1 posted on 04/10/2014 1:38:23 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

If they do, the few lights that they do have will be snuffed out permanently.

The fat little monster would lose all his playthings.

He may be stupid, he may be brutal, he may be insane, but he’s still capable of basic arithmetic, which is why he eliminates whole families of any and all perceived enemies.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 1:41:31 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: chessplayer

Obama, you’d better do something. This might interfere with your golf games and fundraisers.


3 posted on 04/10/2014 1:42:09 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: chessplayer

There is merit to the EMP, but not the over-hype. It would take quite a few EMP’s to do the job; one will just hurt us regionally. Beyond that, the NORK’s would cease to exist about 32 minutes later. I’m sure Canada would get in on the action because EMP doesn’t stop at borders. Mexico? I hope they are spared. Maybe their peep’s here will go home then.


4 posted on 04/10/2014 1:42:29 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: chessplayer

Worry about the open borders and the 20,000 MANPADs
given to al Qaeda, first.


5 posted on 04/10/2014 1:42:44 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: chessplayer

17000 mile minimum, out of a 10k missile. I doubt it.


6 posted on 04/10/2014 1:43:13 PM PDT by xone
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To: Westbrook

If they do and succeed, we will not have the means to retaliate.


7 posted on 04/10/2014 1:43:23 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: chessplayer

Yeah but they keep electromagnetising themselves instead. That’s why Kim Jong-un’s hair look like it does.


8 posted on 04/10/2014 1:44:10 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: chessplayer

“North Korea is likely to travel over the South Pole”

Really, what rocket does NK have that can travel to Japan let alone under the South Pole

Basic math and travel time would let you know we have lots of satellites, aircraft and etc that could easily shoot it down.

NK wants more money from Americans - this is just there supporters saying hey, give them money to come talk.


9 posted on 04/10/2014 1:45:11 PM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: Westbrook

Our president doesnt have the guts to retaliate in any forceful way. And by ‘forceful,’ I mean bomb the daylights out of NK!


10 posted on 04/10/2014 1:45:59 PM PDT by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: 353FMG

> f they do and succeed, we will not have the means to retaliate.

It won’t take long for word to get to the submarine fleet. They cant destroy all communications with one nuke. The military has tempest-hardened communications.

The Norks would have just a few minutes to rejoice in their pyrrhic victory before being utterly vaporized.


11 posted on 04/10/2014 1:46:44 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: 353FMG

Even if we had the means to retaliate, the celebrity president doesnt have the balls.


12 posted on 04/10/2014 1:47:59 PM PDT by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: chessplayer
North Korea 'is capable of striking U.S. with a nuclear electromagnetic pulse attack'

If 0bama gets his way with the severe reduction in our nuclear forces, we might have a hard time answering.

13 posted on 04/10/2014 1:48:08 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: chessplayer
North Korea 'is capable of striking U.S...

Sounds like a fantastic opportunity for us to shut down another 50 nuclear missile sites! /sar

14 posted on 04/10/2014 1:49:42 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: chessplayer

We’ll just pull out their one plug and the country will go dark!


15 posted on 04/10/2014 1:49:52 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: 353FMG

>If they do and succeed, we will not have the means to retaliate.

Military electronics are tempest-hardened. Even a hundred nukes won’t be able to take out all the communications.

If the order is given, the retaliation would turn the chia pet’s city into a smoldering radioactive crater.


16 posted on 04/10/2014 1:49:59 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: chessplayer

Everyone here is replying emotionally, saying what they would do if THEY were President after suffering an EMP attack.

But that’s silly —the President is a completely different creature who strongly believes that his duty is to usher in a new Era Of Fairness in which the USA is diminished and has a level of power that is AVERAGE by global standards.

People aren’t considering that such an attack by NK might ENHANCE Obama’s goals time-frame.

It’s likely Obama would make scary speeches but would order NO counter-attack.

More likely he would make a counter-attack that had absolutely no goal other than attending to POTUS appearances.

Hearing sabre-rattling talk HERE is silly.

It’s only dark speculation but I might even consider such reports as POTUS conceptual prep-work for HIM ordering exactly such an attack —UPON *US*.


17 posted on 04/10/2014 1:50:11 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Westbrook

Puhleeze. Obama doesnt have the sense or courage to pull the trigger!

To believe otherwise is fantasy. Its a different time we live in.


18 posted on 04/10/2014 1:50:58 PM PDT by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: chessplayer

Just what barry and eric need right now with a few member of congress after them. A perfect diversion.


19 posted on 04/10/2014 1:51:45 PM PDT by Old Yeller (In Latin, the word sinister means left. Which is appropriate for left-wingers.)
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To: edcoil

This report and this guy are silly,

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/04/world/north-korea-missile-capabilities/

Missiles cannot get here directly let alone fly via the south friggen pole.


20 posted on 04/10/2014 1:52:21 PM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

You’re right about the consequences for NORK; but, according to the EMP Commission, you’re very wrong about the number of EMPs required.

http://empcommission.org/

IMHO, no state will risk an EMP attack on the USA, for the reasons you mention. However, a non-state terrorist might try it. The most likely scenario being a launch from a freighter, within a few hundred miles of the coast. While the U.S.A. would probably glassify NORK, Iran, and possibly other possible conspirators (deployed nuclear subs would still be operational) — that might not suffice to deter non-state terrorists.


21 posted on 04/10/2014 1:52:46 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: 353FMG
If they do and succeed, we will not have the means to retaliate.

Not as long as barry is around.
22 posted on 04/10/2014 1:52:58 PM PDT by Old Yeller (In Latin, the word sinister means left. Which is appropriate for left-wingers.)
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To: 353FMG

Retaliate and what, put N.K. in the dark like we got !!!

Have you noticed 99% of N.K. LIVES in the dark already.


23 posted on 04/10/2014 1:54:35 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: chessplayer
I did that for a couple of years, voluntarily. I'm good with an early to mid 1800s mountain man life style.

/johnny

24 posted on 04/10/2014 1:57:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: chessplayer
if we were to reply in kind, nothing would happen to North Korea...they have nothing for an EMP to effect.


25 posted on 04/10/2014 1:58:46 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: 353FMG

One word: Boomers (as in Trident subs). ONE could wipe out all of North Korea.


26 posted on 04/10/2014 2:05:40 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: subterfuge
> Puhleeze. Obama doesnt have the sense or courage to pull the trigger!
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> To believe otherwise is fantasy. Its a different time we live in.

You're probably right.

I could see him rejoicing in the suffering of Americans. He'd be likely to nominate the fat little Nork creep for Nobel Peace Prize.

27 posted on 04/10/2014 2:05:59 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Vaquero

So the little monster riceball literally has nothing to lose?

Or is he thinking, “The Japanese attacked America & ended up getting nuked, then guess what? The Americans rebuilt their entire country & look at Japan today!”

Another Duchy of Grand Fenwick? No, too rational.


28 posted on 04/10/2014 2:07:26 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Westbrook

well, is this a scenario that would finally allow the federales to put us in concentration camps or otherwise severaly restrict every activity we do, then maybe its what is wanted by TPTB...


29 posted on 04/10/2014 2:08:42 PM PDT by cherry
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To: chessplayer


30 posted on 04/10/2014 2:09:19 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

We put some pretty serious hardware in the upper atmosphere years back while testing our goodies. We could not take out anywhere near the size of the continental United States, we knocked out some lights and made a lot of stuff fuzzy on the radio, but we did not blast a 3500 miles wide diameter area.
I too used to freak at the idea of a single warhead floated up 300 miles would wipe us all out if it came up from the southern hemisphere. Fact is, it won’t. Do damage? Sure, knock out everything? nope. Beyond which, how does a non-state terrorist get a payload into orbit in the first place? They would have to work with a nation in order to do so.


31 posted on 04/10/2014 2:10:01 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Westbrook

We have everything to lose, the Norks very little.

We will be the overall losers.


32 posted on 04/10/2014 2:11:21 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: chessplayer

I suppose the danger would be if they got more help from China or Iran, for example. I still wonder if the EMP hype is commiserate to the threat.


33 posted on 04/10/2014 2:12:09 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: chessplayer
Yep....you eff up them Obamaphones and EBT cards up in here and you got a real bonafide problem.
34 posted on 04/10/2014 2:12:54 PM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

The EMP Commission has an explanation about how it would work — way to complex for me to attempt to summarize here. Suffice it to say, it is convincing.

http://empcommission.org/


35 posted on 04/10/2014 2:14:13 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: 353FMG

Google “TACAMO”.


36 posted on 04/10/2014 2:14:25 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

It would be a lot easier and cheaper to just shoot out a lot of transformers on the 3 grids at the same time.


37 posted on 04/10/2014 2:17:18 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: cherry
Actually, this is a scenario that would allow US to put the federales into concentration camps until a lamp-post opens up where they could hang out.

/johnny

38 posted on 04/10/2014 2:24:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: chessplayer

If they ever decide to do that, launch two: one for us and one for themselves. It will save us the trouble of reducing that barbarian wasteland to a radioactive barbarian wasteland.


39 posted on 04/10/2014 2:28:41 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: TurboZamboni

You might be right about that — beta testing has already occurred.

The damage doesn’t have to be comprehensive — just wide spread. Whether it’s an EMP attack or bullets placed in transformers; IMHO the effects of any large-scale damage to critical infrastructure would quickly be magnified many times over by the ensuing breakdown in social order. Consider Katrina, tropical storm Sandy, etc. Now, imagine that there’s no help coming from the rest of the country, because a large part of the rest of the country is also affected.


40 posted on 04/10/2014 2:30:13 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Westbrook
If they do, the few lights that they do have will be snuffed out permanently.

True that. But suppose the missile is launched from a ship that's out to sea (assuming that's technologically possible)? Then who do you blame?

North Korea? Iran? Russia?

41 posted on 04/10/2014 2:44:44 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

I’d blame them all. And as Reagan said.. outlaw them....


42 posted on 04/10/2014 2:45:48 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: 353FMG
If they do and succeed, we will not have the means to retaliate.

Not even with submarines?

43 posted on 04/10/2014 2:54:36 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: chessplayer

Sure, and their fleet of Yugo’s can out class any Corvette in a 1/4 mile race....


44 posted on 04/10/2014 2:59:45 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Ghost of SVR4
EMP has become the Global Warming of military threats over the last few years. The effects are not as destructive as first thought and while it could knock out the power grid in the affected area, it could be fixed and back in order before we entered a "new stone age" or a "Mad Max" type of scenario. Second, it wouldn't affect military systems, and as noted above, whoever launched it would cease to exist in the counterattack.

I would be far more worried about some terrorist group driving trucks into power substations in major cities during the summer months. The resulting riots, looting, and mayhem would do far more damage than any EMP attack.

45 posted on 04/10/2014 3:02:24 PM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: chessplayer

How many minutes would it take to destroy the DPRK from one squadron of bombers or one submarine? And why hasn’t that happened already? Anyone here think that Washington, Madison, Monroe, Adams, Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, Teddy, McKinley, Coolidge, Ike, FDR, Truman or Reagan wouldn’t have already done so based on their threats, capability and known lunacy?


46 posted on 04/10/2014 3:10:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: chessplayer
One bomb and we're (the few who survive) back in the 1700's.

Nah. Not much worse than 1920 really, maybe even 1960s.

Kids these days...

47 posted on 04/10/2014 3:27:41 PM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: aegiscg47

I’m glad you think so, and am interested in your sources.

I read the book “One Second After” which was based on a US Naval College study on exactly this, in the book it was about 4 weapons over the US, and it was pretty “Thunderdome”. I think the ending number of living survivors after one year was under 10%.
That is quite a gap in theoretical outcomes...


48 posted on 04/10/2014 3:46:14 PM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: ConservativeMan55
The payload of an Unha-3 is 1500 lbs. The most powerful U.S. nuclear weapon with that approximate weight was the W-49 which had a 1.44 MT yield. Coincidentally, the W-49 was used in a high atmospheric nuclear.

It did produce an EMP but Hawaii which is 900 miles away only experienced slight effects. It knocked out a telephone company uplink, some street lights went out, some security alarms went off, etc...There was no massive black out. The electrical grid was fine there. The effects closer to the blast in uninhabited areas were much greater.

IF the North Koreans could get a missile here and IF they could construct a warhead similar to the W-49 and IF they could properly detonate it above Kansas City it would certainly cause a lot of issues. Cities as close as Columbus to the east, Denver to the west and Dallas to the south would barely be affected at all. Cities in the middle of the area such as Oklahoma City, Des Moines, St. Louis and Witchita would likely only have moderate damage to electrical infrastucture. Millions of people would die. We would go to war. But I don't think civilization would come to an end.

However, the world as the North Koreans know it certainly would end.

49 posted on 04/10/2014 3:52:33 PM PDT by nitzy
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To: chessplayer

For all of you saying we would just wipe out NK if they did this...of course we could. If we could determine they were the culprits.

They could fire four pretty simple missiles off four barges off the east coast, west coast, and gulf of mexico. Then blow up the barges. Bye bye evidence.

Every nuke has a signature, so we would for sure know who manufactured them. I’m sure it would be Russian-made. They’ve already lost some. Allegedly, so have we. Just because we know who made it doesn’t mean we know “whodunnit,” or more exactly “who bought it.”

Point is that an attack on the US by EMP weapons will not be pulled off in a way that the attacker will be visible. That would be retarded on their part. Won’t happen. Stop dreaming.

Ironically, it could be the Russians behind all this, just setting up NK to be the patsy. They could (for example) tip off the US that they believe that NK has one of their old EMP nukes. The attack happens and sure enough it was Russian nukes. The Russians help us with proof that it ws NK, and we vaporize NK. Russia is unscathed and comes in to assist us in rebuilding. Damn, I should write a movie.


50 posted on 04/10/2014 4:01:21 PM PDT by 2big2fail
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