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Three Jews Among Those Killed in Ukraine Uprising
Forward ^ | March 18, 2014 | Paul Berger

Posted on 04/10/2014 3:23:24 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

Balaclava-clad far-right paramilitaries fire into the air at the funeral in Ukraine of an anti-government protestor. This is not a tribute to a fellow right-wing nationalist, but to a Jewish construction worker, Alexander Scherbanyuk.

Of the approximately 100 people killed during the protests in Kiev that swept Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich from power in February, three were Jews, according to Vyacheslav Likhachev, a Ukrainian anti-Semitism expert.

The same day, snipers in Kiev killed two more Jewish anti-government protesters, Josef Shiling, a 61-year-old construction worker from Drogobych and Evgeniy Kotlyar, a 33-year old ecological activist from Kharkiv. Each of the three men, whom the Ukrainians consider as martyrs to their revolution, were known by their local Jewish communities, Likachev said.

(Excerpt) Read more at forward.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: agitprop; israel; leftwingsources; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine; waronterror

1 posted on 04/10/2014 3:23:24 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

But, but, but, Ukranians are Nazis! And Putin the KGB dictator is defending freedom and Christianity by invading a sovereign nation using special forces cutthroats without insignia. The Ukranians are exterminating Jews and Russians and puppies as we speak, Russia Today and Alex Jones told me so.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 3:33:46 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: BurningOak

I can’t take any more of this! Someone post something from Russia Today or the Moscow Times, QUICKLY!


3 posted on 04/10/2014 3:38:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Zhang Fei

What religion were the 97 killed?


4 posted on 04/10/2014 3:39:28 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
What religion were the 97 killed?

Given that Jews are 0.2% of the population of Ukraine (i.e. 2 out of every 1000), and 3 out of 100 demonstrators killed were Jewish, you could say that Jews were highly over-represented among the dead. Heck, Yanukovich was telling his underlings that that the Maidan demonstrations were a Jewish plot, while calling the demonstrators Nazis.

5 posted on 04/10/2014 3:46:19 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

So we don’t know what religion the 97% of the dead were.


6 posted on 04/10/2014 3:50:42 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Zhang Fei

And the Prime Minister of Ukraine is also a Jew. Conveniently ignored by some who would prefer to label the ‘Kiev regime’ as neo-Nazis and Banderists.


7 posted on 04/10/2014 3:50:46 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Corporate Democrat

And Ihor Kolomoysky, a Jewish billionaire, is now the governor of the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/world/europe/ukraines-jews-dismiss-claims-of-anti-semitism.html?_r=0

“Nazis”? Bullsh!t.


8 posted on 04/10/2014 4:39:24 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: ansel12

“What religion were the 97 killed?”

Almost all were - if they held to any religion at all - Catholic or Ukrainian Orthodox.


9 posted on 04/10/2014 4:40:32 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: ansel12

You tell a few things by their place or origin and their names: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_during_Euromaidan


10 posted on 04/10/2014 4:46:15 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

We don’t know what their religion is.


11 posted on 04/10/2014 4:53:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“We don’t know what their religion is.”

Almost all were baptized Catholics or Eastern Orthodox. At least one apparently a Muslim. There might have been some Ukrainian Baptists as well.


12 posted on 04/10/2014 5:17:51 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

I believe that you are merely speculating on the individuals participating in the riots, and don’t actually know what those 97 people’s religion or non-religion was?

It’s confusing, because you sound like you know, and that those individual’s lives have been looked into to answer this question, is that the case?


13 posted on 04/10/2014 5:26:14 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

We don’t know. Likely nobody knows. Just knowing about Ukrainians in general, the majority at least considers themselves Orthodox (either Ukrainian or Russian) or Catholic (a couple of varients) with a few Protestants (mostly Baptists.)

So we’re talking statistically, not imperical knowledge.


14 posted on 04/10/2014 5:38:09 PM PDT by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: WildSnail

Ukraine and Kiev, but rioters and revolutionaries are not always simply reflections of the normal religious demographics.

We just don’t know, and no one cares, the article is about 3 men who died.


15 posted on 04/10/2014 5:41:47 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“I believe that you are merely speculating on the individuals participating in the riots, and don’t actually know what those 97 people’s religion or non-religion was?”

If you have information to the contrary, post it. Otherwise, what I have said stands because it is based on common sense.

“It’s confusing, because you sound like you know, and that those individual’s lives have been looked into to answer this question, is that the case?”

Yes, I know, and the lives of the dead have been looked into. I know - based on common sense and a great deal of knowledge about the region and its peoples - that the vast majority, almost all, of the dead were Catholic or Orthodox. If you have proof to the contrary, post it.

You will fail to do so, of course.


16 posted on 04/10/2014 5:55:59 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: ansel12

We also don’t know the composition of the peaceful protestors, and how many of them chose to remain when the shooting started.


17 posted on 04/10/2014 6:08:04 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: vladimir998

That isn’t the way it works, you are claiming to know the religion or non-religion, of 97 individuals.

I’m merely doubting that you know that, I would like to see the list of those individuals by their religious beliefs.


18 posted on 04/10/2014 6:12:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 1rudeboy

I agree with you, I would be surprised if that list has been compiled.


19 posted on 04/10/2014 6:14:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Appreciating your curiosity, when all is done, what relevance is their religious makeup?


20 posted on 04/10/2014 6:15:08 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ansel12

“That isn’t the way it works,”

That’s exactly how it works.

“you are claiming to know the religion or non-religion, of 97 individuals.”

Post all the evidence you have that I am wrong.

“I’m merely doubting that you know that, I would like to see the list of those individuals by their religious beliefs.”

Go and find it then. Until then what I said stands as perfectly reasonable based on common sense and the history of the region.


21 posted on 04/10/2014 6:15:24 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

It’s interesting to watch you as you prove that you don’t care about facts, that they mean nothing to you, your opinion is all you need for something as specific as listing the religion of 97 dead rioters.

Seeing that you can’t just admit that you don’t really know, is revealing.


22 posted on 04/10/2014 6:25:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 1rudeboy

Post 4 was just a simple question, and we know the answer, no one knows.

I never expected it to be so upsetting.


23 posted on 04/10/2014 6:27:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Again, so what? We know that three were Jews.


24 posted on 04/10/2014 6:34:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Good Lord, post 23 even gets more response on post 4?

I don’t think it deserves the dedication that you guys are giving to post 4, if you were answering it, that would be one thing, but to just keep asking over and over why is was asked, is a bit much.


25 posted on 04/10/2014 6:47:57 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Maybe because you’re being so obtuse about it. Here we have a Jewish publication identifying Jews who were killed. It generated your question about the religious affiliation about the others who were killed. This Jewish publication is not obligated to provide you with that information, and someone providing a guess that the religious makeup of the others killed reflects the religious makeup of the general population is not far-fetched.


26 posted on 04/10/2014 6:54:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I don’t know where you are getting all that, I’m not being obtuse, I have no doubt that 3 Jews were killed and I have never even thought about the publication.

As far as using Ukrainian demographics to fit the religion of the rioters in Kiev, that isn’t the way things work in real life, and besides, I believe the point of the article is to point out that the demographic generalities for the nation, do not apply to the rioters.

I could have sworn that you have been saying this isn’t a big deal and I kept agreeing with, even when you would ping me yet again to agree with you, but you sure won’t let it go.


27 posted on 04/10/2014 7:05:43 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“It’s interesting to watch you as you prove that you don’t care about facts,”

It’s not particularly interesting to watch you as you make up claims that I don’t care about facts. You’ve never particularly shown interest in truth, however.

“that they mean nothing to you, your opinion is all you need for something as specific as listing the religion of 97 dead rioters.”

I didn’t list the religion of 97 dead “rioters”. I said “Almost all were - if they held to any religion at all - Catholic or Ukrainian Orthodox.” And that is simply the truth.

“Seeing that you can’t just admit that you don’t really know, is revealing.”

Seeing that you can’t present any evidence to the contrary of what I said while insisting I am wrong is revealing.


28 posted on 04/10/2014 7:32:41 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: ansel12; 1rudeboy

“As far as using Ukrainian demographics to fit the religion of the rioters in Kiev, that isn’t the way things work in real life...”

What on earth would you know about how things work in real life? Why don’t you simply do some work instead of being so lazy and demanding everybody prove things to your bizarre level of satisfaction?

Here, I’ll start you off:

Bohdan Solchanyk - Greek Catholic (i.e. Ukrainian Catholic):

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/world/europe/lviv-in-western-ukraine-mourns-one-of-its-own-killed-in-kiev.html

Now you only have 96 to go. Get cracking lazy man.


29 posted on 04/10/2014 7:47:51 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Rage and anger, how you find the things that set you off on such a compulsive and passionate rage from, nothing, is a mystery.


30 posted on 04/10/2014 10:39:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“Rage and anger, how you find the things that set you off on such a compulsive and passionate rage from, nothing, is a mystery.”

Set me off? My gosh, you are one of the biggest projectors I’ve ever seen. Your panties got all in a twist over the religion of 97 people whom you never knew and most likely don’t care one whit about. I’m not the least bit in a “rage”, have no “anger” over this, there’s no “compulsive and passionate rage” either. And there’s no mystery - other than whence comes your stupidity.

And you still have 96 to go.


31 posted on 04/11/2014 4:53:32 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

To: Zhang Fei
What religion were the 97 killed?
4 posted on 4/10/2014 3:39:28 PM by ansel12

Since you are obsessed with that question, perhaps you can answer it, if not, just try to get on with your life as best you can.


32 posted on 04/11/2014 9:41:32 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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33 posted on 04/11/2014 3:44:51 PM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: ansel12; Zhang Fei
What religion were the 97 killed?

Not that it's an interesting conversation but I'll speculate.

Jewish organizations tend to track these things, given a history of persecution. Including Europe. And Russia and the Ukraine. So I'm ok with 3.

Muslim organizations tend to track these things too, When it's non Muslims doing the killing, likely here, or when they can reasonably blame it on Zionists. Someone suggested 1, can't argue.

That leaves 96 others. I don't know how many self identify as athiests, agnostics, Hindu, et al in the Ukraine, but I'd guess it's not a majority, so who's left.

I'd love to see Christian groups raise h*ll a bit more about the religious based genocide going on in the Islamic world, but there's no indication religion was an issue here, Christians or Jews. So it's moot.

34 posted on 04/11/2014 3:53:11 PM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: ansel12

“Since you are obsessed with that question, perhaps you can answer it, if not, just try to get on with your life as best you can.”

You seem to be the only one obsessing here. Why are you doing it?


35 posted on 04/11/2014 4:23:37 PM PDT by vladimir998
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