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Bill Clinton on voter ID: Why not solve problem by putting a photo on every Social Security card?
Hotair ^ | 04/10/2014 | AllahPundit

Posted on 04/10/2014 5:01:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

After years of lefty rhetoric about how even the smallest ID requirement at the polls is some sort of pogrom against minority voters and the poor, I … did not see this coming.

But maybe I should have. Per some polls, support for voter ID reaches 80+ percent. Maybe Bill’s already thinking about purple states in 2016.

With 34 states now requiring some form of identification at the polls, former president Bill Clinton and civil rights leader Andrew Young on Wednesday endorsed the idea of adding photos to Social Security cards as a way to prevent voter suppression…

Clinton and Young, a former mayor of Atlanta, expressed concern that the voter ID laws could discourage poor and minority voters from showing up at the polls, which would circumvent the intent of the Voting Rights Act.

“I’m not against photo identification, but only as long as the cards are free and easily accessible. Providing eligible voters the ability to obtain a photo on a Social Security card eliminates any genuine concern,” Young said. He called on Obama to issue an executive order making such photos available.

Clinton did not go so far as to urge executive action. However, he said, putting photos on Social Security cards would represent “a way forward that eliminates error,” without having to “paralyze and divide a country with significant challenges.”

Help me figure this out. Traditionally, the argument against voter ID is that it puts the poor at a disadvantage by making them spend money they don’t have. Even if the ID itself is free, as it is in some states, it costs money to collect the supporting documents for it, like an official birth certificate. Except that … you also need supporting documents proving your age, citizenship, and identity to obtain a Social Security card. To prove the first two, they ask for a birth certificate. To prove identity, “Social Security will ask to see a U.S. driver’s license, state-issued nondriver identification card or U.S. passport,” although certain other forms of ID might be accepted if those are absent. And SSA emphasizes that all documents must be original or certified copies; photocopies won’t cut it. All of which is to say, how is a Social Security card less burdensome for a voter to obtain than a state-issued ID would be? If anything, it’s more of a pain for the feds since it would require issuing two separate SSA cards — one, presumably without a photo, when you’re a child and can’t vote, and then another with a photo when you turn 18 and can.

The point here, I guess, is to leverage the ubiquity of Social Security. If everyone, including the poor, is already bearing the cost of registering for a number and getting a card, you might as well add a photo and take care of their voter ID too. If it’s unfair to make them bear a burden at the polls, though, why ask them to bear one to produce documents for SSA? Why shouldn’t photocopies of a birth certificate suffice as proof of identity? This has always been the main objection to voter ID — it seems capricious to demand proof of ID for so many things in life, including participation in a protest of voter ID laws, and then wave people through on election day without one. If obtaining photo ID would make the poor’s lives easier in various ways, not just in voting, then naturally you’d want to maximize the incentive for them to do so. That’s a virtue of Clinton’s proposal. Unlike lots of lefties, he sees value in encouraging people have at least one basic form of photo ID.

Exit question: Will righties balk at this because Social Security is federally administered, though? I saw some grumbles in Headlines about this being a de facto national ID card, in which case, no thanks.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: billclinton; socialsecurity; voterid

1 posted on 04/10/2014 5:01:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

My SS card used to claim that it was NOT to be used for personal ID.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 5:03:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

Because SS Cards say pretty specifically “NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION”?


3 posted on 04/10/2014 5:04:13 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bill Clinton and Andrew Young are RACISTS!!!!


4 posted on 04/10/2014 5:04:20 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: SeekAndFind
which would circumvent the intent of the Voting Rights Act.

So what, Social Security circumvents the intent of the constitution.
5 posted on 04/10/2014 5:04:58 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Wasiss, Willy !
6 posted on 04/10/2014 5:05:10 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: SeekAndFind

How many times will the SS card have to be issued? How many people look the same at 18 as they do at 60? This is stupidity times 10.


7 posted on 04/10/2014 5:05:30 PM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

I got mine in the 60’s. Sorry Bill, in can’t be used for anything but Social Security issues. Nice try for a US ID card you progressive deceitful moron.. “Papers please”.


8 posted on 04/10/2014 5:06:37 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: SeekAndFind

Most social security cards are issued right after birth (otherwise your parents cannot claim you as a dependent). How would your baby picture show who you are?


9 posted on 04/10/2014 5:07:36 PM PDT by anoldafvet (If you think the government is capable of taking care of you, just look at the indian tribes)
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To: SeekAndFind

.... Most SS cards are issued when we are babies ...... Trusting we don’t really change much from birth over our entire lifetime .... yup ..... this would be a great idea!! Oh ...... that .... and of course the billions of dollars a year to maintain updated pictures if we actually do physically change from the time of birth.


10 posted on 04/10/2014 5:07:38 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone can get a SS card, and do. Citizenship not a requirement.


11 posted on 04/10/2014 5:08:41 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Huh, Bill Clinton is pro-ID?


12 posted on 04/10/2014 5:08:45 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: SeekAndFind

Some democrat needs to take Bill aside and tell him that solving the problem is not the goal. Quit fixing things, Bill.


13 posted on 04/10/2014 5:08:53 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SeekAndFind

Well at least it’s a start


14 posted on 04/10/2014 5:09:14 PM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry Slick, that right there would be racism.


15 posted on 04/10/2014 5:11:06 PM PDT by jughandle ( "We have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!" -HRColl)
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To: Paladin2

This used to be America too but now we have probably the whore that rides the beast riding back into the white house and the beast wanting us to have SS IDS. Maybe these IDS will allow one to buy and sell or NOT.


16 posted on 04/10/2014 5:16:45 PM PDT by Cats Pajamas (Send your dollar to see the birth certificate)
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To: mosaicwolf

FWIW, I think the US is in serious need of a national ID card. Unless we get some form of secure, national ID, fraud (voter, ID, etc...) will continue to grow more rampant.


17 posted on 04/10/2014 5:16:59 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: realcleanguy

There is probably a FOB (friend of bill) who owns a consulting company that is p-e-r-f-e-c-t for this type of job.


18 posted on 04/10/2014 5:17:35 PM PDT by kdot
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To: Bryan24

That won’t help fraud. Anyone can buy a driver’s license or steal one. In my line of work I handled a situation where this national had four different US i.d.s and all had his photo. Come on.


19 posted on 04/10/2014 5:20:53 PM PDT by Cats Pajamas (Send your dollar to see the birth certificate)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Bill: that is a federal program.

Elections are run by the states.

Someone teach this kid the Constitution. And how to clean sinks.


20 posted on 04/10/2014 5:23:50 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Paladin2

But that does seem stupid. Since it’s something everyone has, I think he has a pretty decent idea there.


21 posted on 04/10/2014 5:37:35 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: smalltownslick
Passing around your SS # is still not a wise thing.

Even a passport # or DL # is dangerous if it's on the web.

22 posted on 04/10/2014 5:39:21 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

I suppose the idea is that - EVERYONE is suppose to have a SS Card... whereas some other form of photo ID is “limited to the privileged few”...LOL????


23 posted on 04/10/2014 5:44:06 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Little Ray
Because SS Cards say pretty specifically “NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION”?

Not any more... they haven't for several years now.

My question - when was the law changed to allow the SS Card to be used for ID? Not that it matters - the card was created.... drumroll... as a form of ID related to Social Security... Sigh

24 posted on 04/10/2014 5:45:22 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, I bet Bill Clinton would LOVE to see a national ID card like that. Any such ID could be “disabled” if the person in question made the wrong person mad in government.


25 posted on 04/10/2014 5:47:43 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I agree!! I have been telling people that for years.... “There is no such thing as “Federal Elections”, only State Elections to FILL Constituanily proscribed positions


26 posted on 04/10/2014 5:48:12 PM PDT by Forrestfire ("If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." Gen. George Patton)
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To: SeekAndFind

%#@#$% idiot!


27 posted on 04/10/2014 5:53:00 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because they don’t use Social Security cards as personal IDs.


28 posted on 04/10/2014 5:56:41 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: anoldafvet; R_Kangel
Most social security cards are issued right after birth (otherwise your parents cannot claim you as a dependent). How would your baby picture show who you are?

And here comes the money grab. You would be required to have a new picture taken every 2-3 years. Of course you would have to pay a "fee" Plus...a whole new department would have to be created to oversee the "law breakers" and of course to manage all of the functions of the department. Thousands would be employed, they would form a union, have a SWAT team, armed agents, you get the picture.

So you see, it's ALWAYS about creating more government and taking MORE of our hard earned money just to keep us in our place!

Free country my ass!

29 posted on 04/10/2014 5:59:48 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Bryan24

Dude....like...Dude.

I am a citizen of Nebraska. As such, I am also happen to be a citizen of the US. The latter is entirely dependent upon the former. I do not owe the central Govt my identity for ANY purpose. The State of Nebraska is my agent for dealing with the central Govt.

Rethink your position on this, posthaste.


30 posted on 04/10/2014 5:59:57 PM PDT by bakeneko
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To: SeekAndFind

It is a burden enough for someone to have to get all the documentation together and jump thru the hoops to get their picture on a SS card, but this would be a MUCH bigger burden the more SS cards one has. Why, even for our illustrious leader, it would be a tremendous hardship. After all, doesn’t he have a good handful of social security numbers, each with a card needing now a picture?


31 posted on 04/10/2014 6:05:54 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: SeekAndFind

Really not feasible .... the Chicago cemetery voting block would have no way to obtain a current photo.


32 posted on 04/10/2014 6:16:14 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (I think the Administration would get more respect if they just went ahead and wore clown suits.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Bill Clinton on voter ID: Why not solve problem by putting a photo on every Social Security card?”

Here’s a better idea, BJ. How about making sure someone is a U.S. citizen before issuing them a SS card?

Think you can get that past the DNC?


33 posted on 04/10/2014 6:16:38 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Exit question: Will righties balk at this because Social Security is federally administered, though?

I'll balk at it because my SS card is a little piece of thin cheep card stock issued in 1963 sitting in the bottom of a steel box that says in big bold letters NOT TO BE USED FOR IDENTIFICATION!

Perhaps Bill Clinton can compare the costs of the hundreds of million people like me having to go to the SS office to get a new SS photo ID (to be used for identification) vs those few thousand unlike me who do not have another form of valid photo ID.

Typical Clinton move. Cause confusion to hide the real issue.

34 posted on 04/10/2014 6:30:44 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: SeekAndFind

My son who is mentally challenged (34 years old) has lost his SS card many times. Do you know that you can only get a replacement 10 times over your lifetime?

He lives one state from me and his Aunt and he went to SS office this week to get a replacement SS card since he lost his.... The Gov worker was a jerk. Knows my son is mentally challenged, his Aunt had his birth certificate, banking statement with his name, address, etc, several other things with his name and birthday on it.

However, SS worker said my son has to have his name,his SS#, and his date of birth on the same paper in order for them to verify who he is. He then said, I have this printout that shows he has been getting SSDI for years and we have all his information right here in the computer. His Aunt asked, can you print that out and we can take down to DMV so he can get his State License ID because the DMV said they could take that to issue an ID card. Nope the SS worker replied. Why? Because we started printing out and giving it to folks and they weren’t taking it to the DMV and getting their ID so now we can’t print this out any more.

So my son who is a good person, Loves the Lord, reads his bible, works at the street missions to feed the poor (as best as he can to feel needed and helpful)..can’t get a State ID...and can’t get a SS card until he comes up with something with his Name, birth-date, and his SS number on it.

It was an eye opener for me on how hard it is to get a replacement SS card and a State ID for lot of folks.

At this point, might have to try to get an old school record perhaps. Just no clue on how to get all the data on one form...


35 posted on 04/10/2014 6:37:48 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: SeekAndFind

That would quickly become an indentity thief’s paradise.


36 posted on 04/10/2014 6:56:23 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Bryan24
FWIW, I think the US is in serious need of a national ID card. Unless we get some form of secure, national ID, fraud (voter, ID, etc...) will continue to grow more rampant.

We already have a de facto national ID card, aka a driver license. I've never understood the objections to a national ID card. Everybody whips out the "papers, please" trope, but how is that any different from our resident JBTs asking for "license and registration" at the slightest provocation?

37 posted on 04/10/2014 6:58:53 PM PDT by Terabitten (I'd rather have one Walker than fourteen runners.)
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To: kabar
How many times will the SS card have to be issued? How many people look the same at 18 as they do at 60? This is stupidity times 10.

S.S. cards are issued to babies, you can't claim a baby with I.R.S. without a S.S. number. Will they put new born's pics on cards?

Clinton is stupid.

38 posted on 04/10/2014 7:24:32 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because most folks don’t carry their SS#s around with them, and the cards state plainly that they are NOT to be used for ID. We couldn’t use them at the Credit Union, where I was a Teller for a year.


39 posted on 04/10/2014 7:47:16 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Graybeard58

The article indicates that there will be no photos prior to 18 since people can’t vote until they reach 18. Regardless, it is a stupid idea.


40 posted on 04/10/2014 8:06:53 PM PDT by kabar
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To: elpadre
Anyone can get a SS card, and do. Citizenship not a requirement.

Yes, this is the correct observation.

Mister (impeached and disbarred) Clinton's deceitful remark is the very model of sophistry, n'est ce pas?

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41 posted on 04/10/2014 8:18:57 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bill you are an Idiot. i think you get these at birth now and i also think every baby looks like a monkey. so the pictures would all look alike,


42 posted on 04/10/2014 8:42:26 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: SeekAndFind

Aha! Resistance to state id voter verification by fedgov was just the setup for the federal citizens’ national identification card. Slick!


43 posted on 04/11/2014 1:18:17 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: kabar

Side comment to what you posted. Arizona driver’s licenses are valid until the driver turns 65. Driver’s are required to get a new photograph every 12 years.


44 posted on 04/11/2014 9:14:05 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Paladin2

Right, how about simply dipping your finger in purple ink?


45 posted on 04/12/2014 4:31:45 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: kabar

Lay off Bill, he’s a Democrat.


46 posted on 04/12/2014 4:32:44 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SeekAndFind

WE DON’T WANT NATIONAL ID CARDS Clinton...

Considering crime in this ‘great United States’ - where the FBI fudges crime statistics to make minorities less offensive - who wants to carry their Social Security Card to the polls?

Hey Clinton - you might live in an all-White safe liberal elite enclave but the rest of us don’t. No, I don’t carry my Social Security card with me... and no one else should either.


47 posted on 04/12/2014 4:40:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (When fascism comes it will come..with promises of a better world.The jackboots come later..-Shapiro)
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48 posted on 04/24/2014 4:12:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Note: this topic was posted 4/10/2014. Thanks SeekAndFind. An unusual good idea from Slick!

49 posted on 04/24/2014 4:13:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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