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LA Deputies Admit to Fatally Shooting Innocent Man (Helping hostage)
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/deputies-shoot-kill-innocent-victim-west-hollywood-stabbing- ^ | 4/10/2014 | By Christina Cocca

Posted on 04/10/2014 5:57:03 PM PDT by dragnet2

Full title: LA County Sheriff's Deputies Admit to Fatally Shooting Innocent Man

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department admitted on Thursday that deputies mistakenly shot and killed a 30-year-old man after mistaking him for the suspect in a hostage situation earlier this week,

Authorities confirmed that John Winkler was one of three hostages inside a West Hollywood apartment during the standoff. The victim had gone into the apartment to help the other hostages after hearing screaming coming from the residence.

Officials said in a statement the three deputies on the scene saw one of the other hostages bolt out of the residence as they arrived.

“He was covered in blood and bleeding profusely from the neck,” the statement read. “Simultaneously, Winkler ran out of the door, lunging at the back of the fleeing victim. Both ran directly at the deputies.”

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They shot the unarmed man to death who was helping the hostage, and also shot and wounded the hostage...
1 posted on 04/10/2014 5:57:03 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

oopsy!

Time to lawyer-up.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 6:00:16 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: dragnet2

The shot the hostage?


3 posted on 04/10/2014 6:01:23 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Sure did....


4 posted on 04/10/2014 6:01:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Oops....

Poor guy didn't get to "go home".

5 posted on 04/10/2014 6:08:24 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: driftdiver
The hostages ran out of the apartment unarmed, towards the deputies, and they just opened fire on them, killing the man helping the hostage out, and also wounded a hostage at the same time...

After, they simply went in and arrested the suspect inside...

6 posted on 04/10/2014 6:08:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

As long as the deputies went home safely after their shift all is well.


7 posted on 04/10/2014 6:09:12 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: dragnet2

I really wanted to support them in this. ya know thinking they may have thought the dead guy was attacking the other.

having a hard time


8 posted on 04/10/2014 6:11:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dragnet2

At least the cops got to go home safe that night...


9 posted on 04/10/2014 6:14:18 PM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: driftdiver

“They like to shot first and ask questions later,” neighbor Monica Lewis said. “If there was no sign of a weapon or anything there was no reason to shoot them.

(They are trained to look at a suspects hands for weapons....Or use to be)

This is what you’d expect to happen during a full on violent war...Just open fire.


10 posted on 04/10/2014 6:14:32 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“This is what you’d expect to happen during a full on violent war...Just open fire.”

If our troops did this in Iraq they’d be prosecuted.


11 posted on 04/10/2014 6:16:16 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dragnet2

How hard do they have to look to find such cowardly morons?


12 posted on 04/10/2014 6:21:10 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: dragnet2

When I underwent LEO training it was simple. You shot armed or dangerour people, you do not shoot unarmed or non dangerous poeple. Killing dogs is for Aminal Control and the SPCA. Houses, apartments etc have numbers on the so that you can get the right address and on and on.
With the amount of negligent shootings by law officers these days I question if the get any training at all.........
Identify your target have a clean field of fire and fire only the rounds necessary to stop the perp. Hitting car with 80 plus shots is likely yo be excessive..........


13 posted on 04/10/2014 6:25:38 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: dragnet2
The Deputies are just upset that they could not also shoot the guys dog.... it is in their operations manual. Their union also demands it as part of their recommended method of operation. Fairness in dealing with the public unless the victim is an African American and then the union demands the dogs owned by all the whites present be killed.

"It is what we do" proudly proclaimed the union representative.
14 posted on 04/10/2014 6:26:32 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: dragnet2

Why were the cops trying to kill all the witnesses?


15 posted on 04/10/2014 6:27:08 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

They are doing what they are trained to do.


16 posted on 04/10/2014 6:35:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dragnet2

And Then found the suspect checking another victim....with a knife ???

Well, that’s interesting ....


17 posted on 04/10/2014 6:44:52 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: dragnet2
They shot the unarmed man to death who was helping the hostage, and also shot and wounded the hostage...

So they shot everybody, maybe they were never taught the difference between a hit and a rescue at cop school.

18 posted on 04/10/2014 6:52:08 PM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: The Cajun
So they shot everybody,

Well, they didn't shoot the perp, who seems to have emerged from the incident unscathed.

19 posted on 04/10/2014 6:55:03 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

“With the amount of negligent shootings by law officers these days I question if the get any training at all.........”

It isn’t training, it is attitude. Modern LE attitude is “If in doubt, kill.” They think they are in Iraq. It is the same with their over aggressive attitudes.

The best training in the world can’t correct attitude.


20 posted on 04/10/2014 7:01:38 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: driftdiver
They have been prosecuted for exactly “this”.

We live in an upside down world now.

Cops can fire at will and murder citizens to “preserve the peace”.

Soldiers are brought up on charges for murder, in war zones.

21 posted on 04/10/2014 7:03:41 PM PDT by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: LevinFan

That attitude is trained, encouraged, and rewarded.


22 posted on 04/10/2014 7:04:12 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Fido969
Well, they didn't shoot the perp....

Well shooting the victims gave the cops a chance to calm down and think things out, probably scared the hell out of the perp too.

23 posted on 04/10/2014 7:08:08 PM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: All; dragnet2
Never call the cops unless you want someone killed!   Link

They may shot first before they ask.

They may shot first before they think.

Cop arrives at traffic accident, shot the airman holding his wallet mistaken for a gun. Link

Kid was fatally shot holding Wii controller mistaken for a gun.  Link

24 posted on 04/10/2014 7:15:19 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: dragnet2
Cops are FAR more likely to shoot innocent bystanders than armed citizens.
25 posted on 04/10/2014 7:16:32 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket)
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To: LevinFan

If they were in Iraq, they’d be Court Martialed for their actions.


26 posted on 04/10/2014 7:18:40 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (The bill was the subject of a truly awe-inspiring tsunami of poorly informed indignation. Rich Lowry)
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To: driftdiver

If our troops did this in Iraq they’d be prosecuted.

Our “troops” are already doing it here. They call themselves cops but they’re no different from the military.


27 posted on 04/10/2014 7:40:29 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: The Cajun
Well shooting the victims gave the cops a chance to calm down and think things out, probably scared the hell out of the perp too.

I was thinking the same thing. The guys are keyed-up, on hair trigger, ready to blast away at anything that moves.

After they get it out of their system, they can act like normal cops used to, and just beat the p!ss out of the perp.

28 posted on 04/10/2014 7:42:30 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: LevinFan

I remember a time when a cop was forced to shoot someone they truly felt regret even when they had no choice. Now they look forward to shooting people and can’t wait to get to the donut shop and talk about it.

I simply don’t like cops. And believe me, they’ve been this way for years. That’s why I quit after being a cop for a very short time when I saw all the abuse and the thin blue line.


29 posted on 04/10/2014 7:44:23 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: driftdiver
"The shot the hostage?"

They shot both hostages that ran out of the building. One survived.

Sounds like the CA polizei are taking the advice of Keanu Reeves (x2)!



Harry Temple: All right, pop quiz. Airport, gunman with one hostage. He's using her for cover; he's almost to a plane. You're a hundred feet away... Jack?

Jack: Shoot the hostage.
30 posted on 04/10/2014 8:31:06 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: dragnet2

“This is what you’d expect to happen during a full on violent war...Just open fire.”

Just as dogs are being wantonly shot by cops, more and more people are getting the same treatment, which is what I expect to happen as America turns more and more into a turd world, collectivist hellhole.

Pretty soon the cops will just be your average death squad.


31 posted on 04/10/2014 8:33:46 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Fido969

The criminal justice system is there to protect the criminals from the law-abiding.


32 posted on 04/10/2014 8:35:31 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: VerySadAmerican

” They call themselves cops but they’re no different from the military.”

Wrong, WRONG! !

The military would not tolerate the trash which is now hired by all too many police forces.


33 posted on 04/10/2014 8:36:27 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Fido969

It’s all that pent up ‘roid rage they have.


34 posted on 04/10/2014 8:36:55 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

This kind of thing is happening with such frequency now, it’s down right undeniable, non-debatable and way disturbing.


35 posted on 04/10/2014 8:38:50 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

They even admit it now because they know nothing will be done about it. They now know that they can kill and murder with impunity.


36 posted on 04/10/2014 8:45:39 PM PDT by sport
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To: dragnet2

They shot him because they don’t want citizens getting involved. That might lessen people’s dependence on them.


37 posted on 04/10/2014 8:47:47 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: sport

There was too many witnesses and dead unarmed people who were shot to death...

And the only one’s doing the shooting, were the LEO’s.

No where to go for them here....


38 posted on 04/10/2014 8:47:56 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cvengr

Why not? They got to kill someone.


39 posted on 04/10/2014 8:48:02 PM PDT by sport
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To: dragnet2

All I hear is crickets from the JBT lovers.


40 posted on 04/10/2014 8:52:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

One or more of them will be along shortly.


41 posted on 04/10/2014 8:54:41 PM PDT by sport
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To: dragnet2

Unbelievable!


42 posted on 04/10/2014 10:09:30 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration

People are running out the door with blood on them.....Open fire...


43 posted on 04/10/2014 10:15:26 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

officer feels threatened, bang’bang’bang....bang.

what’s the code’# for officer feels threatened?


44 posted on 04/10/2014 10:33:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

the gestapo lovers are quiet, yes.


45 posted on 04/10/2014 10:35:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: dragnet2
People are running out the door with blood on them.....Open fire...

Because people in trouble looking for help and safety should know that you never run toward the police for help. Pitiful.

46 posted on 04/10/2014 10:36:45 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: metalurgist

A fatal mistake on their part.


47 posted on 04/11/2014 10:16:13 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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