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Looks Like China’s Building a Giant New Warship
War is Boring ^ | 04/07/2014 | David Axe

Posted on 04/10/2014 9:16:00 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Possible missile cruiser could outweigh rival surface combatants

There is evidence that China is in the early stages of building a positively enormous missile cruiser—one that could be bigger and potentially more powerful than any equivalent American or Japanese vessel.

On April 6, China Defense Blog—an Internet forum for close observers of Chinese military developments—republished a series of photographs that recently circulated on China’s firewalled national Internet.

The photos, reportedly snapped at the Wuhan Technical College of Communication, depict what appears to be a mock-up of a large surface warship—the kind of mock-up used for testing radars and other sensors. China Defense Blog described Wuhan as a military “facility for crew training and electromagnetic interference testing.”

China and other warship-building countries habitually experiment with land-based mock-ups before manufacturing actual seaworthy prototype vessels. As China renovated its former Soviet aircraft carrier Liaoning a few years ago, it built a mock-up at Wuhan. That massive shape is visible in at least one of the photos of the apparent new cruiser.

New “cruiser” at right, Liaoning mock-up at left. Photo via China Defense Blog China Defense Blog contributor “Totoro” analyzed the photos and estimated the cruiser’s dimensions. Totoro concluded that the vessel is up to 614 feet from bow to stern. That exceeds the U.S. Navy’s Arleigh Burke-class destroyers by 109 feet, America’s Ticonderoga-class cruisers by 47 feet, Japan’s Kongo-class destroyers by 18 feet and the U.S. Zumwalt-class ships by 14 feet.

At nearly 15,000 tons displacement, the still-under-construction Zumwalts are almost the biggest surface combatants in the world, outweighed only by Russia’s single huge Kirov-class nuclear cruiser. If it’s as big as it looks—and actually enters service—the new Chinese warship could become the world’s second-largest fighting vessel.

China Defense Blog also spotted a new radar that could be associated with the cruiser. That sensor and the ship’s size could indicate that it’s an air-defense vessel, meant to protect aircraft carriers, amphibious ships and other vulnerable ships from enemy warplanes and missiles.

If so, the apparent cruiser could pack a greater long-range missile armament than any other vessel. “It would appear that there’s more than enough space for 64 fore and 64 aft [missile] cells,” Totoro asserted. That’s six more cells than on the Ticonderogas, currently the most heavily-armed long-range missile shooters in naval service anywhere.

Totoro art via China Defense Blog To be clear, a few grainy photos are not definitive proof of anything. But if the snapshots do indeed depict a new cruiser in development, it would make sense in light of China’s military needs.

Beijing has struggled to build warships capable of defending against the overwhelming air and missile power of Japan and the United States. It wasn’t until March this year that the Chinese navy commissioned its first warship in the same class as America’s 85 Burkes and Ticonderogas and Japan’s four Kongos and two related destroyers.

The Zumwalts have yet to join the U.S. fleet.

But the Type 052D destroyer that entered Chinese service in March displaces just 7,500 tons and packs 64 missile cells, making it a third smaller than Japanese and American vessels—and with a third fewer missiles.

A big new cruiser could begin to give China some of the same at-sea air-defense capacity that America and Japan have enjoyed for decades.

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: china; cruiser; davidaxe; plan; warisboring

1 posted on 04/10/2014 9:16:00 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Chinese imports to America in 2013: 440 billion dollars.

American imports to China in 2013: 122 billion dollars.

China’s trade surplus: 318 billion dollars or so.

That is an amount, that can pay for a huge arsenal.

America really, really needs to bring back American industry.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 9:20:04 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (
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To: sukhoi-30mki

As I’m sure you know, we no longer build cruisers.

3 posted on 04/10/2014 9:21:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
America really, really needs to bring back American industry.

The resurgence of cheap American energy will foster a resurgence of American industry.

4 posted on 04/10/2014 9:23:28 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

O goody. Another target.

5 posted on 04/10/2014 9:33:07 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Get ready, little lady. Hell is coming to breakfast.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
America really, really needs to bring back American industry.

I've asked you before: how? Crickets.

I'll ask you again: how? The need is there but it's far more complicated than expressing an infantile demand. Give us the benefit of your wisdom.

6 posted on 04/10/2014 9:37:31 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Jeff Chandler

Obama’s EPA and other regulatory agencies are working to screw that up.

7 posted on 04/10/2014 9:53:34 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Seruzawa

Yep, big ship make big boom. Heap big ship sink fast. Big azzed ship make big thump when it hit bottom.

8 posted on 04/10/2014 9:55:34 PM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: Bernard Marx

The answer is to cut taxes and regulations. Get the feds out of everything that was not originally their responsibility. Get rid of all 85,000 pages of the tax code and bring in general tax guidelines that everybody has to follow, written at a level that the average American can follow without having to consult with tax accountants and lawyers and set the federal tax rate at no more than 18%.

Do this and China is at a disadvantage, because it is the regulations more than the tax rate that has driven corporations overseas.

9 posted on 04/10/2014 10:15:24 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
20 years ago, the US planned to build large cruisers to replace the now 30 year old Ticonderoga class. The US dropped the CGX, , and the Chinese are now building theirs.
10 posted on 04/10/2014 11:09:56 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have always thought that weaponry and electronics would eventually require a bigger platform. The DeMoines class ran about 18,000 tons and were extremely capable (8 inch automatic main battery) and cheaper to build and operate than battleships

I think we will get there sooner rather than later

11 posted on 04/11/2014 4:27:17 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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