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New York Student Suspended for “Insubordination,” aka Opposing Common Core
Rightwing News ^ | 4/11/14 | Duane Lester

Posted on 04/10/2014 10:25:02 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

We’re told that there’s nothing to worry about when it comes to Common Core. If that’s true, what’s with the intimidation and the punishment for those who oppose it:

A 13-year-old student at Orange-Ulster BOCES believes she was suspended from school this week as a result of telling other students they didn’t have to take the Common Core English test Tuesday.

The girl, eighth-grader Seirra Olivero, was suspended for two days for insubordination.

While she acknowledges the charge, she contends in a complaint filed with the district that she felt bullied by three administrators because she told other students they didn’t have to take the test.

Her mother, Carin Beauchesne of Sparrowbush, said Thursday that she felt her daughter had done what students are told to do when they’re being bullied.

“She walked away! She felt she was being treated like a criminal. She’s a 13-year-old girl. What would you do?”

William Hecht, Orange-Ulster BOCES’s superintendent, said the girl’s complaint, which was filed under the state’s Dignity for All Students Act, was being taken seriously.

He said it was against school policy to discipline students for opting out of the controversial test, and that Seirra’s suspension came as the result of her refusing to obey the administrators.

He declined any further comment on the matter.

In her complaint, Seirra says that on Tuesday morning, the day of the test, she told a student he didn’t have to take the test if he didn’t want to. A teacher told her to “shut my mouth and keep walking.”

Is it just me or is that something you’d expect to hear from a prison guard?

But then, they don’t call it the school to prison pipeline for nothing.

Hat Tip: Weasel Zippers


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: arth; commoncore; education; orangecounty
This girl lives in Sparrowbush, NY We lived just down the road. So much for all that anti-bullying propaganda, that's another bunch of BS. Here's hoping this young lady's parents succeed in a killer lawsuit against the school district.
1 posted on 04/10/2014 10:25:02 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa

She belongs in Texas.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 10:29:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Impala64ssa

The no bullying rule doesn’t apply to the bullies who make the rules.


3 posted on 04/10/2014 10:37:25 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Impala64ssa

Whether or not Common Core is a good or bad thing, I’m not comfortable with the idea that students can simply blow off school tests when they object to them. Is that really what conservatives want?


4 posted on 04/10/2014 10:52:36 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

“Is that really what conservatives want?”

Yes it is! I guess you aren’t a conservative.


5 posted on 04/10/2014 10:58:46 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Unam Sanctam

I’m inclined to agree with you.


6 posted on 04/10/2014 11:01:13 PM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: Impala64ssa
Remember, we don't have a Department of Education, we have a Ministry of Reeducation.
7 posted on 04/10/2014 11:04:13 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: Impala64ssa

When I was younger the charge against a student of “insubordination” was a blanket charge because a teacher just didn’t like a student (even if that student was justified in objecting to an absurd command or request).

-JS


8 posted on 04/10/2014 11:31:42 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Yes. Especially when the test is not authorized by the constitution. The Federal Government has no constitutional authority to regulate education.


9 posted on 04/10/2014 11:50:58 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: vette6387

I guess I’m not, and I guess students’ running amok in school, only obeying the rules they personally like is the what conservatives really want these days.


10 posted on 04/11/2014 12:56:49 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: P-Marlowe

Then take it up in the political process. Don’t tell children they don’t have to follow any rules they don’t like. American public education is already a free-for-all disaster enough as it is. Other countries and cultures teach children to respect and obey their teachers. In general, I don’t think that is a bad thing.


11 posted on 04/11/2014 12:59:46 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

Yup.


12 posted on 04/11/2014 1:00:57 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Yup.


13 posted on 04/11/2014 1:01:59 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Now that’s just too funny.... imagine rebelling against something you know is inherently wrong and against your “core”. Ha ha... I remember the ‘60’s and didn’t the other side do the same??? Shoe is on the other foot now....


14 posted on 04/11/2014 1:04:00 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Whether or not Common Core is a good or bad thing, I’m not comfortable with the idea that students can simply blow off school tests when they object to them. Is that really what conservatives want?

Common Core is a federal invention. The federal government has no business messing with education.

Stories such as this one are useful to the extent that they sew disrespect for public education.

15 posted on 04/11/2014 1:22:09 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: JSDude1
Insubordination? Sheesh. Schools are (or should be) stores where you purchase education. The students are customers. Can you imagine a Target shopper being accused of insubordination?

Everything I see these days makes me think of the new Captain America movie.

16 posted on 04/11/2014 1:35:11 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

The rule is that the student doesn’t have to take the test. That rule was developed from the political process. So you can take your erroneous and insulting generalizations and your support shills and go back to DU.


17 posted on 04/11/2014 2:03:22 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Common Core is being used in about 3/4 of the school districts in Texas.


18 posted on 04/11/2014 3:11:22 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Unam Sanctam
I guess you missed this part: "He said it was against school policy to discipline students for opting out of the controversial test..."

She didn't "blow off" the test. She opted out (which is her right) and told other students they could, as well. That was her sin to the school's eyes.

19 posted on 04/11/2014 3:16:42 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Im inclined to agree with you as well. While I try to educate my children on the ills of government I shield them from the activist side. Sometimes its just best to let kids be kids and not fill their heads with the terrors we feel are coming. Civil disobedience is for me an adult subject. I wouldnt use my child as a tool to get my point across. Its akin to liberal rat scum repeating the line it’s for the children. Its like I tell my kids, free speech end when you cross the threshold to my front door. Likewise you show respect to elders and those appointed to teach you unless illegal. If a parent doesnt like it enroll your child in another school but for gods sake dont use your child as a tool.


20 posted on 04/11/2014 4:33:18 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Unam Sanctam

I cannot speak for all conservatives ... only for myself.

What I want is for “public education” to be completely abolished. The State should not be in the business of running educational establishments. Even if such activity were appropriate to the State (it isn’t), the State has demonstrated gross incompetence and criminal malfeasance. It should be fired.


21 posted on 04/11/2014 4:39:21 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: AZLiberty
The students are customers.

No. The parents are the customers.

22 posted on 04/11/2014 4:41:19 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: raybbr
I guess you missed this part: "He said it was against school policy to discipline students for opting out of the controversial test..." She didn't "blow off" the test. She opted out (which is her right) and told other students they could, as well. That was her sin to the school's eyes.

Something like the attitude the court system takes about people who tell jurors about their rights to apply "jury nullification" to unconstitutional laws.

23 posted on 04/11/2014 4:46:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
I guess I’m not, and I guess students’ running amok in school, only obeying the rules they personally like is the what conservatives really want these days.

The rules say students can opt out of the test. How is choosing that option blowing off the rules?

24 posted on 04/11/2014 4:50:54 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: kevkrom

The kid isnt mentally developed to know what common core is doing to this country like an adult does. The parent is using their child as a political tool. Did you ever ask yourself why the parent decided to not keep the child home from the test vs. Sending the child to school placing her in the middleto make a point? Keep children to children activities and let the adults deal with the adult matters. I find the parents actions repulsive. The parent told the child to do this vs. staying home.


25 posted on 04/11/2014 4:59:12 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Unam Sanctam
Then take it up in the political process. Don’t tell children they don’t have to follow any rules they don’t like.

Here's the point: it wasn't a rule.

According to the Times Herald

"I replied and said, 'I did some research and it said they don't have to.'" The principal then asked if she'd researched "both sides" of the issue.

The girl said in her statement that she grew increasingly upset with the principal but when she asked to call her mother, the principal refused.

"Then she started to ask other questions and that's when she started to interrogate me and I felt like I was being treated like a criminal."

The girl stalked out of the office, slamming the door behind her. Walking quickly down a hall, she said she refused to stop when another administrator demanded that she do so "four or six times."

That administrator, she said, told her "I had no business telling the kids that they don't have to take the test and if I wanted to tell them I (could) out of school."

It sounds like the students WERE NOT under an obligation to participate in the Common Core tests, the principal knew that, and was upset with the student for telling other students their rights. Additionally, I'd like to know what "other questions" were asked, if they had anything to do with finding out the political beliefs of the student or her family, and by what right the principal was interrogating the student AFTER the student demanded her parents be present for any further questioning.
26 posted on 04/11/2014 5:09:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

This IS NOT simply “a school test”!

This is a LIBERAL INDOCTRINATION PROGRAM, being imposed under the guise of “common core”.

Liberalism always markets their poison in candy wrappers!


27 posted on 04/11/2014 5:10:32 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Unam Sanctam
How NY State is treating parents and students who opt out of the common core tests
28 posted on 04/11/2014 5:13:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

I think you’re missing the entire picture here, this isn’t simply about a test.


29 posted on 04/11/2014 5:14:58 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: NorthMountain

I fully agree with you, the government should not be in the business of running schools and other educational institutions.


30 posted on 04/11/2014 5:17:36 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Unam Sanctam; xzins
Then take it up in the political process. Don’t tell children they don’t have to follow any rules they don’t like.

I teach my children to stand up against tyranny. If this kid had put a UN flag in his truck or a Che Guevara flag no one would have said a word. But since he put a flag promoting his cultural heritage and he is a white kid, he has no rights at all.

In case you hadn't noticed, there is a war going on against white males. People have to apologize for being white or even speaking English correctly. It is not this kids fault that he is the white descendant of Southern gentlemen.

There were no rules about flags in pickup trucks when this kid arrived with his one day. The rule was created to squelch his free speech and his alone. It was an unconstitutional attempt to silence his viewpoint and to further the schools anti-white multi cultural attack on America's traditional heritage.

90% of the people who died while fighting under the stars and bars did not own slaves. If that flag offends someone then tough. There is no right to go through life without being offended. Ther is, however a right to hold and express offensive viewpoints. That right hiwever must be exercised occasionally in order to maintain it. Use it or lose it.

We must stand up to tyranny or we will most certainly kneel before it.

31 posted on 04/11/2014 6:02:07 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Unam Sanctam; P-Marlowe

These common core tests have a problem. First, many students aren’t taking them seriously. I know one teacher who told me of multiple/many students taking 15 minutes on what should have been a 1 to 2 hour math test. This teacher is a math teacher and says it’s impossible to have completed that test in that time. Another told me that the science test pretends to cover growth for the year but doesn’t cover what those students might have taken that year...spend the year in zoology and don’t get tested on zoology. So, what do the kids do? They blow it off.

Why can they blow it off?

Because they KNOW that it doesn’t matter. It isn’t the ACT or SAT. It isn’t a graduation requirement. It isn’t anything except another dumb test toward the end of the year.

It is primarily a tool used by the government to measure your school for deciding if the fed wants to take over your school. And those are the facts.


32 posted on 04/11/2014 6:12:44 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

The school itself says that the students can skip the test. The student points that out, and is punished.

Common core, BTW, is injurious to knowledge and learning. It is almost lethal for math and science.


33 posted on 04/11/2014 6:19:14 AM PDT by MortMan (Fired the Fox - Anyone who denies religious liberty in favor of "fairness" is a fascist.)
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To: xzins
It is primarily a tool used by the government to measure your school for deciding if the fed wants to take over your school.

Something the feds have no constitutional authority to do.

The No Child Left Behind law ensures that all children will have an equal opportunity to fail. It should be called the ALL Children Left Behind law.

The only way to improve education is to let the parents have a strong influence on what subjects are taught and how they are taught. The further you get from community involvement the worse the result.

Public Schools have become the recruiting ground for the socialist democrat agenda. Kids leave high school completely unable to think for themselves. They rattle off global warming nonsense and have no clue about how the world operates. They have no historical perspective for their positions. They are, in effect, drones and they don't even know it.

Centralized control of education is what they had in Germany and what they have now in North Korea. The Government dictates to everyone in the country as to what is important to learn and the parents are helpless to prevent their children from being brainwashed by those who would rob them of their liberty.

34 posted on 04/11/2014 6:51:48 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe
rattle off global warming nonsense and have no clue about how the world operates.

You forgot to mention that they do know Kim Kardashian, Miley Cyrus, and Justin Bieber.

And their birthdates, significant others, and latest videos.

Strong skills to take to a job interview....

35 posted on 04/11/2014 6:55:58 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Bulwyf

And parents should not use their 13 year old children as political tools to push their beliefs.


36 posted on 04/11/2014 8:20:10 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Jarhead9297

My kids are younger and I educate them, if they stand up, they’ll do it on their own. I will stand with them though and back them if needed. I for one will not sit idly by and watch freedom die, you’re free to do so, just don’t get in my way.


37 posted on 04/11/2014 8:28:45 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

I was born in the mid 70s but im old fashioned like my dad...i make the decision for my kids when it come to academic choices such as I will and will not do. Kids today have FAR too much freedom. They are not adults and in no way should be addressed or treated as such.


38 posted on 04/11/2014 11:32:14 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Jarhead9297

I was born in 75, and also old fashioned, I do agree with kids having too much freedom, they need boundaries and guidance. They need that from you and I, not the educators though.


39 posted on 04/11/2014 12:44:15 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Ha!! Same year nice! I agree exactly with what you said.


40 posted on 04/11/2014 1:05:52 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Unam Sanctam; All

You’ve been a sleeper troll for 14 years...haven’t you? You been here 14 years and you don’t know what common core is all about?

The wording of your question...”Is that really what conservatives want?” lacks a pleural possessive...ie: “is that really what “WE” conservatives want’? It tells me you don’t really see yourself as conservative.

You’re not really of us are you...GOPe perhaps?

We need kids who can consciously surface above the brainwashing the left throws at them...their generation will be bearing the brunt of America’s restoration or its disintegration. This girl can be homeschooled and will flourish!


41 posted on 04/11/2014 1:06:24 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Bulwyf

This mean we are getting old? :-(


42 posted on 04/11/2014 1:06:29 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Impala64ssa; neverdem; The Mayor; Behind Liberal Lines; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

Also a NY ping.

43 posted on 04/24/2014 6:24:51 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

BTTT!


44 posted on 04/24/2014 10:34:15 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: raybbr; Unam Sanctam

Good post!!


45 posted on 04/24/2014 10:39:43 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Whether or not Common Core is a good or bad thing, I’m not comfortable with the idea that students can simply blow off school tests when they object to them. Is that really what conservatives want?

YES!!!!

What the heck if the point of the tests anyway? There's plenty of other ways to grade teachers students anyway.

46 posted on 04/24/2014 11:22:15 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Unam Sanctam
I guess I’m not, and I guess students’ running amok in school, only obeying the rules they personally like is the what conservatives really want these days.

That sure could be a problem. Then they won't know how to be good little drones.

We can't have any of that thinking for yourself stuff going on. It's not good for the collective.

47 posted on 04/24/2014 11:25:29 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: bamahead; traviskicks

Government schools ping


48 posted on 04/24/2014 2:21:27 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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