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This is Bigger than Cliven Bundy (video)
YouTube ^ | 4/10/14 | Unknown

Posted on 04/10/2014 10:48:03 PM PDT by ponygirl

Watch this excellent speech given by a Bundy friend & neighbor at a town hall meeting.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyranch; harryreid; neilkornze; nevada
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Breaks my heart to see this. And he's right. This fed action is just to set a precedent.
1 posted on 04/10/2014 10:48:03 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: ponygirl

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2 posted on 04/10/2014 10:51:04 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: ponygirl

3 posted on 04/10/2014 10:55:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: ponygirl

PING


4 posted on 04/10/2014 11:00:04 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: ponygirl

Bookmark


5 posted on 04/10/2014 11:02:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ponygirl

“Them son of a bitches will fire the next shot heard round the world, and WE will fire the rest.”

I’ve been worried these people were going to throw their lives away.

They are choosing to sacrifice them to a purpose.

This is the Alamo. This is flyover country saying “enough”.


6 posted on 04/10/2014 11:03:28 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: ponygirl

He didn’t hold back did he?


7 posted on 04/10/2014 11:12:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ponygirl
The current Acting Deputy Director (Programs and Policy) of the BLM was a lackey of Harry Reid.

Neil Kornze

Bureau of Land Management

8 posted on 04/10/2014 11:14:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye
Oh, how twee... they were married in the Universal Life "church." The church that holds no doctrine and merely believes that everyone should "do what's right" (according to whom?) and that "We are one." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church
9 posted on 04/10/2014 11:21:37 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: ponygirl

Groovy!


10 posted on 04/10/2014 11:23:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: ponygirl

The worst of this is that the disturbance the cows induce and fertilization they leave behind are just what the forbs that feed the tortoises really need. This is not a question of “either/or.”


11 posted on 04/10/2014 11:24:59 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: ponygirl

He NAILED it! N.A.I.L.E.D. it.

Cliven Bundy was legally obligated to pay grazing fees to use land that he does not own. Even so, there is NO reason for this extreme show of force. This is about the federal government flexing its muscle.


12 posted on 04/10/2014 11:25:21 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: TigersEye
And did I read that right... This Kornze at age 31 was the "senior policy advisor" on forestry and mining to Harry Reid? Has Neil Kornze ever held a job in either of those industries? So this little weasel *#@! is going to get a bunch of people killed because now he's in charge over industries and lives that he knows absolutely nothing about?

He graduated with a Masters from Walla Walla. So do the math on that. If he was on the fast collegiate track, he completed his Bachelors at 21. Immediately went into grad school, finished by 23. And a mere 7 years later is a "senior policy advisor" to the most corrupt politician in the Senate? Isn't that special.

13 posted on 04/10/2014 11:33:05 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I have felt each time before, at Ruby Ridge and Waco, that these deliberate and easily avoided homicides were EXAMPLES.

This is Washington D.C. sponsored terror. The fact that they beat the younger Bundy and never arrested him proves it here. They had no legal grounds to beat him or they would have arrested him. It was to make an example. To US.


14 posted on 04/10/2014 11:33:08 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: ponygirl

I think you read it right. Pays to have friends in high places.


15 posted on 04/10/2014 11:46:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Psalm 144
"I have felt each time before, at Ruby Ridge and Waco, that these deliberate and easily avoided homicides were EXAMPLES.

This is Washington D.C. sponsored terror. The fact that they beat the younger Bundy and never arrested him proves it here. They had no legal grounds to beat him or they would have arrested him. It was to make an example. To US."

I wish enough local people would show up to out flank the BLM thugs and surround them with lots of video cams. Perhaps this is the beginning of "The American Spring".

16 posted on 04/10/2014 11:52:18 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: ponygirl

Sorry, this guy misses the biggest point of all. Who owns the land? The US Government does. As the owner, it has the right to decide how that land is to be used ... PERIOD. Anything else is turning our backs on private property rights.


17 posted on 04/10/2014 11:53:41 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: ponygirl

Further background - I would like to see sourcing for this additional info:

BUNDY RANCH: IT’S ABOUT WATER & NATURAL GAS, NOT THE TURTLES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SuAoMgT610


18 posted on 04/10/2014 11:55:51 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: taxcontrol

Of course the federal government owns the land and has the right to make the rules.

But why such a show of force over cattle and not illegals? The latter causes exponentially more damage to the land. Both are trespassers.


19 posted on 04/11/2014 12:09:19 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Tainan
It's definitely not about tortoises. The BLM is killing hundreds of them.

Desert tortoise faces threat from its own refuge August 25, 2013

Back at the conservation center, a large refrigerator labeled "carcass freezer" hummed in the desert sun as scientists examined the facility's 1,400 inhabitants to find those hearty enough to release into the wild. Officials expect to euthanize more than half the animals in the coming months in preparation for closure at the end of 2014.

More glaring proof that the FedMob is incapable of managing lands or wildlife.

20 posted on 04/11/2014 12:09:47 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: taxcontrol

How can the US government exercise private property rights?

The US Government cannot be ‘private’.

Neither can it have rights - it has enumerated powers.


21 posted on 04/11/2014 12:11:34 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I agree that this was a way excessive show of force. Likely could have been done with half a dozen deputies.


22 posted on 04/11/2014 12:13:10 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: agere_contra

Article 1 section 8 provides the enumerated power that specifically gives the Congress exclusive legislative authority in all maters whatsoever over the land in question.


23 posted on 04/11/2014 12:14:37 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: agere_contra
The Federal government does not own property it oversees it for the people who are the owners of all public property. The FedGov are merely managers. Very incompetent and corrupt managers.
24 posted on 04/11/2014 12:15:09 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: taxcontrol

Perhaps you could unpack your reasoning a little?

I’m not seeing anything in Article 1 Section 8 that allows the government to assert private property rights on grazing land.

Unless the whole area is one enormous post office :0)


25 posted on 04/11/2014 12:38:13 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: ponygirl

heads up people. This all links to Harry Reid, he controls the BLM shill that is doing this.
Im writing an article that ties it all together.
I wrote the only bio of Reid. Nothing happens in Nevada unless he says so.

http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php


26 posted on 04/11/2014 12:49:28 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: taxcontrol

FTF!


27 posted on 04/11/2014 2:20:37 AM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: taxcontrol

Yup. I just can’t get into supporting this guy who decided he was going to ‘gibsmedat’ years before the habitat was ever decided. Should’ve paid his grazing fees back in 1993, rather than do some spurious “I personally negate these laws by fiat!” type of thing.


28 posted on 04/11/2014 3:31:24 AM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: taxcontrol

I don’t see that. Please be more specific.

Nothing in Art 1 Sec 8 allows this at all.


29 posted on 04/11/2014 3:39:17 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Mr. Bundy is willing to pay rent. TO HIS STATE. Not the government.


30 posted on 04/11/2014 3:49:37 AM PDT by lucky american (Progressives are attacking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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To: ponygirl

http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_lies_fracking_leases_Bundy_ranch.html

(NaturalNews) The Bureau of Land Management says its 200-man armed siege of the Cliven Bundy ranch in Nevada is all about protecting an “endangered tortoise.” But a Natural News investigation has found that BLM is actually in the business of raking in millions of dollars by leasing Nevada lands to energy companies that engage in fracking operations.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_lies_fracking_leases_Bundy_ranch.html#ixzz2yZs9IpMI


31 posted on 04/11/2014 4:48:09 AM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: Carry_Okie

That raises the question of bison.

were there no tortoises when there were buffaloes?

The real problem seems to be one of legality. Who paid what when. I read here the rancher did not pay his grazing fees and the enviros did. His cattle are thus grazing on their land.

It’s like getting the permit at to demonstrate at the gates of Walter Reed Hospital.

Code pink let their permit lapse and the DC Chapter of Free Republic obtained it. Thus rather than seeing decrepit crones as they returned fron their night out, the wounded warriors were greeted with smiles and support.


32 posted on 04/11/2014 4:54:54 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: taxcontrol
Sorry, this guy misses the biggest point of all. Who owns the land? The US Government does.
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WE THE PEOPLE own the land and they are supposed to be our servants. You know when you are confronted with trumped up excuses for heavy handed action. What the hell are they going to do with all the prairie land? Let it revert back to high grass, weeds and brush. If that ‘gasoline’ catches fire it will destroy the turtles and everything else. This is the lame-brained government every time. Just like starving all the calves because the idiots do not know what in the hell they are doing. They have their heads in a place where the sun does not shine. I suspect this is a contrived false flag where they want a confrontation to begin. This just might be where the insurrection begins.

33 posted on 04/11/2014 5:06:07 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: Psalm 144
This is astounding. "Our" government condemns governments in other countries if the dare to keep "spontaneous protests" under control. Our demands that nothing be done has led to Muslim Brotherhood (thankfully failed) government in Egypt, chaos in Iraq, supporting AlQaida in Syria, Nazi thugs in Kiev, what happened in Benghazi. In so many mideastern countries Christians are no longer safe.

But when it's a rancher defending his ancestral right to graze on his property? The feds stop him, violently, and killing his cattle, with the excuse of saving a turtle that does fine with the grazing.

Is it his land? Yeah. US citizens, not government employees own federal lands. "Our" government is out of control.

34 posted on 04/11/2014 5:13:12 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania

Our government sure is the hell out of control and it makes me sick to even live here anymore and not be able to do anything to change it.


35 posted on 04/11/2014 5:32:01 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: lucky american

His state doesn’t own the property. The federal government does.

How about I rent your house for 50 years and decide 25 years in that you don’t really own the house and I stop paying rent? I’m not moving out though because I’m willing to pay your ex-wife. Even though your house was not community property because you bought it before you married, I think she deserved that house.

That’s fair, ain’t it?


36 posted on 04/11/2014 6:33:28 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: taxcontrol

You’ve been on every thread the past two days defending this corrupt administration. You’ve got all your little talking points in a row don’t you? This is all about making more corrupt money for Harry Reid and you know it. It will not stop here, as the man in the video explains. They intend to run every rancher off “public” land (which you keep claiming they own) and then buy him out with our tax dollars. At what point are you willing to stop them? When they come knocking at your door? Sorry pal, it will be too late by then and you will have helped them in their mission, so there will be no one left to help you.


37 posted on 04/11/2014 6:34:10 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Psalm 144

People yesterday were arguing the “who’s right according to the law” aspect of this situation.

I don’t think that facet has much to do with this at all.

This is “we’re fedup with the fedgov and going to resist”.


38 posted on 04/11/2014 6:35:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
How about you live in your house for 50 years and suddenly someone decides that there is an endangered species of weed in your neighborhood and suddenly everyone must move out because the BLM/OPA/OFA and one of Harry Reid's corrupt cronies wants what is on, near, under and around your property? So he can sell it off piecemeal to corrupt developers and make a chunk of change off each one?

There is no danger to the Desert Tortoise. This is all a ruse to get ranchers off this land. Once they are off this land, they will not be able to stay in business and will be forced to sell out, which has been the intention all along. And then they will move on to the next location, and the next, and the next, until all farms/ranches/ etc. are under their control.

What is going on here is simply another purge of the Kulaks.

39 posted on 04/11/2014 6:41:49 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: ponygirl

That’s not a comparable scenario. Bundy doesn’t own the land, he rents it. Well, he did, but he stopped paying rent in 1993.

I don’t doubt that there is an ulterior motive and I don’t doubt that there are corrupt politicians involved. The fact remains that Bundy doesn’t have a legal right to graze his cattle on the land anymore.

Does that necessitate an armed invasion to remove Bundy’s cattle? No.


40 posted on 04/11/2014 6:55:39 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: TigersEye

Interesting. But the GOP isn’t getting a pass here. Neither is the so called tea party in congress. GOP is expressly authorizing funding for ATF and BLM. There hasn’t even benn so much as a bill authored and sponsored to stop funding them. They. Own. This. But you sure have a lot of GOP using this thuggery as a justification to give all that power to them, not to get rid of that power. You are all being played.


41 posted on 04/11/2014 6:57:14 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Then what's your point? You're the one setting up straw men here, so I just added one for you.

You happen to think the Feds have the right to own this property. I happen to believe you're wrong.

I happen to think Cliven Bundy is merely the last man standing in a battle which has gone on for over 20 years and you choose to side with the Feds. Good luck to you with that. This corruption will continue and they will move the goal posts and change the rules as they see fit to accomplish their goal of total servitude of the people. Remember whose side you were on when they get around to you.

42 posted on 04/11/2014 7:05:45 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: bert
That raises the question of bison.

That is a tougher question than you might think. The original bison on this continent were extirpated by hunters after the Pleistocene. The ones we had when white guys got here originated from Asia, as did the wolf.

The real problem seems to be one of legality. Who paid what when. I read here the rancher did not pay his grazing fees and the enviros did. His cattle are thus grazing on their land.

Indeed, that is a problem. Yet there is another legal problem in that the Feds have no constitutional authority to enforce their contract at gunpoint. That is up to the sheriff.

43 posted on 04/11/2014 7:15:03 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: ponygirl
Then Then what's your point?

That the federal government owns the land.

Remember whose side you were on when they get around to you.

I'm not on the government's side. I've made that clear. Believing that Bundy is legally in the wrong does not equate to supporting a small-scale, armed invasion to remove cattle from federal land.

44 posted on 04/11/2014 7:34:44 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: agere_contra

The land in question is a small portion of what is now known as the Lake Mead National Recreational Area. Even so, the land in question is over 600,000 acres. That is roughly the size of half of Delaware.

So Article 1 Section 8 says that Congress has exclusive legislative authory over lands that the government owns. If you want to look into the qualifying clause, Hover Dam (Lake Mead National Recreational Area) certainly qualifies a “... other useful building”


45 posted on 04/11/2014 7:35:09 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: savedbygrace

A break down of Article 1 section 8 by clauses:

1) To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever,

2) over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States,

3) and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

In #1 we see the primary clause of this section - Exclusive jurisdiction

In #2 we see the provision for the District of Columbia

In #3 we see that Congress has “like authority” referring back to #1 and then it states over what ... “all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be”.

During the creation of the state of Nevada, Congress, who already owned much of the lands of the territory of Nevada from the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, made the stipulation that certain ordinances were required in order for Nevada to be accepted as a state. One of these was that the state would give up control of lands owned by the US Government. This can be seen in the state constitution:

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/const/nvconst.html

Under the section entitled “Ordinance”, first paragraph, clause #3 which reads:

Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; and that lands belonging to citizens of the United States, residing without the said state, shall never be taxed higher than the land belonging to the residents thereof; and that no taxes shall be imposed by said state on lands or property therein belonging to, or which may hereafter be purchased by, the United States, unless otherwise provided by the congress of the United States.


46 posted on 04/11/2014 7:38:19 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: lucky american; All

I’ve not followed this story too closely. Did Mr Bundy file suit against gvt when he first stopped leasing from them? Just curious about that...if there’s a longer history to this, on his side. Thanks.


47 posted on 04/11/2014 7:38:34 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Now that is an interesting point. We have not learned how this jurisdictional legal nicety was handled.

I don’t know where the authority of Sheriff’s end or where Federal properties are involved. There are US Marshals that might actually have the authority and deputize BLM types for assistance.

I don’t know.


48 posted on 04/11/2014 7:50:39 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: ponygirl

Sorry, you are incorrect. I have not been defending this administration. I have been defending the Constitution, the very source of all law and order in this nation. The Constitution specificly enumerates the power of Congress to decide what to do with lands owned by the US Government.


49 posted on 04/11/2014 7:53:28 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: ponygirl
This will be an iconic photograph!


50 posted on 04/11/2014 8:13:14 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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