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Air Force apologizes to family after armed traffic stop (Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio)
Stars & Stripes ^ | April 10, 2014 | Laura A. Bischoff and Clint Davis

Posted on 04/11/2014 4:17:30 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

A Columbus, Ohio, family said their children were traumatized after what was meant to be a fun trip to the National Museum of the United States Air Force ended with guns drawn on them.

Alice Hill, 65, her daughter-in-law, Wendy, and two young grandchildren visited the museum on April 4 and, as they were leaving, were ordered to get out of their vehicle by military police. Hill said the officers pulled guns on the family and cuffed the adults in front of the children, according to an incident report.

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The family was detained for about 90 minutes as authorities sorted through questions about whether the van was stolen — it wasn't — and whether they were casing cars in the lot — they weren't.

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"An initial check of the vehicle plates with the National Law Enforcement Terminal System reported the vehicle as stolen," according to a base statement Tuesday. "Security forces responded as trained, and executed high-risk traffic stop procedures. Further investigation of the full vehicle information number revealed the vehicle was not stolen."

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"We sincerely regret the fact that their enjoyable day at the museum ended with this high-risk traffic stop," their statement read. "Had the vehicle not originally come back as stolen, this situation would have been resolved with a quick courtesy stop of the vehicle to clarify the initial report."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: airforce; database; donutwatch; museum
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Note that the USAF doesn't quite apologize to this family, and that nothing has apparently been done to change the erroneous info in this national stolen car database.
1 posted on 04/11/2014 4:17:30 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

Well it was their fault for driving a vehicle the MPs thought was stolen. Next time they should make sure their vehicle isn’t on the list.


2 posted on 04/11/2014 4:20:07 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Timber Rattler

I spent 10 years in the Air Force. The base police did not instill confidence.


3 posted on 04/11/2014 4:21:21 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Timber Rattler

But his was a high-risk traffic stop!

Notice how it gets repeated.

Yeah, two kids and two women, one a senior citizen.


4 posted on 04/11/2014 4:21:41 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Timber Rattler

It is up to the originating agency to up date and remove any erroneous files.

The base police should have report the error to the entering agency.


5 posted on 04/11/2014 4:22:04 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Timber Rattler
,,, at least the base police didn't shoot them!
6 posted on 04/11/2014 4:25:43 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Timber Rattler

It took 90 minutes to look at the registration, re-run the plates, and compare to the drivers’ licenses?


7 posted on 04/11/2014 4:25:53 AM PDT by Never on my watch (Jeesh!)
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To: Timber Rattler
"Had the vehicle not originally come back as stolen, this situation would have been resolved with a quick courtesy stop of the vehicle to clarify the initial report."

This makes not one bit of sense. It is self contradictory.

How to you clarify an initial report with a 'courtesy stop' yet blame that same 'report' as the reason these people were handcuffed and detained?

The fact is that if there had not been an erroneous report, there would have been no reason to stop them in the first place. They apparently learned from the best: Obama.

8 posted on 04/11/2014 4:26:49 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: exit82

I once watched them detain a guy in a secure area for having lost his badge. He was about halfway down a 30 ft hallway, kneeling with his hands behind his head.

The air force police were on either end of the hallway guns drawn, pointing at him and incidentally at each other. They were arguing with each other over what to do. One cop would give an instruction and then the other would countermand. The guy in the middle eventually told them to get their f*&!@ act together.


9 posted on 04/11/2014 4:28:19 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: All
The Air Force Museum is just fantastic. If you ever find yourself in the vicinity of Dayton, you really should stop by.

I believe they open at 8am 7 days a week, not sure what time they close, and it's free.

10 posted on 04/11/2014 4:28:44 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: Timber Rattler

These cops are auditioning for jobs with the ATF storm troopers


11 posted on 04/11/2014 4:29:05 AM PDT by Never on my watch (Jeesh!)
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To: j. earl carter

ditto the museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola


12 posted on 04/11/2014 4:30:07 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Timber Rattler

Well there is one place the armed forces are actually allowed to carry arms...and unfortunately use them against unarmed women and children.

I guess if it’s a man shooting a real gun, then they will “shelter in place”?


13 posted on 04/11/2014 4:30:46 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Timber Rattler

Just part of the desensitization of ‘civilians’ (and LEOs) to brutal treatment of innocents.


14 posted on 04/11/2014 4:32:14 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: j. earl carter

We visited the museum last summer. The volunteer selling the tickets gave us a rundown on what to look for and see. I asked him if the alien’s remains ere on display.

With out missing a beat he said “I ‘m sorry sir but that display is still classified. “


15 posted on 04/11/2014 4:33:31 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: j. earl carter

Maybe you should be sure to arrive on foot! (sarc/off)


16 posted on 04/11/2014 4:34:51 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Timber Rattler

With the proliferation of automatic license plate readers, we can expect incidents like this to become a common occurrence.


17 posted on 04/11/2014 4:35:48 AM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: driftdiver

for comic releaf check out the barney fifes at florida atlantic universities police dept.
always great for a laugh


18 posted on 04/11/2014 4:42:33 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Timber Rattler

two women and a couple kids is enough to scare the Chair Force?

We are in trouble


19 posted on 04/11/2014 4:44:26 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Gaffer
This makes not one bit of sense. It is self contradictory.

How to you clarify an initial report with a 'courtesy stop' yet blame that same 'report' as the reason these people were handcuffed and detained?

If you click through to the article you will see...

Wait a minute... You can't click through to the article because the link isn't posted. Well, we can fix that.

Air Force Apologizes to Family after Traffic Stop

the initial report was that the van was cruising the parking lot and looking at all the cars in a suspicious manner. It turns out the family was looking at all of the out-of-state license plates. When the MPs ran the license plate after the initial report, it came up as stolen.

The police response, given that information, was appropriate.

20 posted on 04/11/2014 4:46:51 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: riverrunner
"It is up to the originating agency to up date and remove any erroneous files."

Wouldn't that be 'racist', and an attempt to deny someone his Constitutional rights?

21 posted on 04/11/2014 4:48:39 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (Proudly providing the NSA with provocative textual content since 1995!)
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To: Haiku Guy

Okay. Fine. Seems reasonable. But it doesn’t make my comment at the time, wrong.


22 posted on 04/11/2014 4:49:29 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Timber Rattler

Our government: arrogant, petty, and stupid.


23 posted on 04/11/2014 4:49:36 AM PDT by Third Person
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To: Ken522

‘,,, at least the base police didn’t shoot them!’

or their dog!


24 posted on 04/11/2014 4:50:19 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Never on my watch

Or the IRS.


25 posted on 04/11/2014 4:52:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Haiku Guy
The police response, given that information, was appropriate.

Guns drawn and slapping handcuffs on them was "appropriate"? I don't think so.

26 posted on 04/11/2014 4:54:28 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Timber Rattler

Well at least they apologized. If it had been civilian cops the women would have been tazed, maybe shot, and the explanation would have been that the police responded in an appropriate manner given the threatening circumstances and the exigencies of the situation. /s/


27 posted on 04/11/2014 4:55:13 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Timber Rattler

Barney fife in blue.


28 posted on 04/11/2014 4:57:14 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: j. earl carter

Just give yourself 90 minutes for your anal probe.


29 posted on 04/11/2014 4:58:20 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Haiku Guy

not if she had her registration in the glove box it wasn’t


30 posted on 04/11/2014 4:58:41 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: driftdiver

I had a co-worker who was using the turnstiles to a classified facility. They are designed as cages in ‘certain situations’, his card let him in and then locked him in the turnstile.

As he told me later on four sets of M-4’s pointed at his head made him a bit ‘nervous’. It turned out to be a data base ‘error’.

Sure am glad I don’t work there anymore.


31 posted on 04/11/2014 4:59:05 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: j. earl carter
The Air Force Museum is just fantastic. If you ever find yourself in the vicinity of Dayton, you really should stop by.

You are right about that. I would recommend going to this museum even if you are not int he vicinity of Dayton. I drove out from New Jersey, and it was worth the trip!

The only disappointment was that the XB-70 Valkyrie was not on display. Apparently that hangar has not yet been built. When that is completed, I may have to go back!

The thing I liked about this museum was that all of the displays and written information was very matter-of-fact, without a lot of interpretation from some lefty history professor about what it all means. I remember looking at a display of an atomic bomb, and the caption explained that it was the casing of an actual atomic bomb, similar to the one dropped on Nagasaki, that had been dimilitarized. The display left it up to the visitor to figure out what he thought about that.

32 posted on 04/11/2014 4:59:33 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Haiku Guy

The police response, given that information, was appropriate.

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I know. They are literally dozens on gangs out there stealing autos, the gangs consisting of grandma, ma, and the grandkids.

I sure hope they cuffed the kids. They’re the brains of the outfit.

I have a sneaking suspicion that they plate they ran that came up stolen was slightly different from the plate that was actually on the car.


33 posted on 04/11/2014 5:00:10 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Timber Rattler

Fortunately they did not have their dog with them.


34 posted on 04/11/2014 5:00:40 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Timber Rattler

A complete non-apology apology.


35 posted on 04/11/2014 5:07:54 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Guns drawn and slapping handcuffs on them was "appropriate"? I don't think so.

Well, think about it.

The police are looking at a vehicle that is behaving suspiciously, and on a license plate check, it comes up as stolen. What do you expect them to do?

Now, the police have to realize there is always a possibility that the database is wrong, and the vehicle was not stolen. But if it is on the list of stolen vehicles, it probably is stolen. You have to figure that the list is right more often than not, right?

So, if the vehicle was stolen, would there have been anything wrong with following the procedure for a high risk traffic stop? Job #1 on a high risk traffic stop is to control the situation and eliminate the possiblity that the occupants of the vehicle, who you figure at a minimum are probably car thieves, can resist. So you stop the car and gunpoint, remove the occupants, secure them (with handcuffs), and then check the registration.

36 posted on 04/11/2014 5:08:34 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: j. earl carter
it's free.

Well, except for the "personal demonstration" part...

37 posted on 04/11/2014 5:10:07 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Timber Rattler
A witness had called security to report that the family was acting suspiciously, peering into various cars in the museum’s parking lot. Hill told police she and her 8-year-old grandson Aaron were checking out license plates around the lot to see how far some visitors had traveled.
“My son was excited to see different state license plates, especially the Alaska plate he saw on the way in,” 31-year-old Wendy Hill told police. “We drove the lot to see if he missed any before we left to go home. That was when we were stopped.”

Message to the Slaves: Don't teach your children to be intellectually curious. Teach them to obey!

38 posted on 04/11/2014 5:11:52 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: driftdiver

Yeah...I know a guy who flies KC135s and he says they are all dicks.


39 posted on 04/11/2014 5:14:23 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: bert; stylecouncilor
...ditto the museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola....

Thanks for the heads up.

40 posted on 04/11/2014 5:14:44 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Flick Lives

Fort Hood #1 - “Why was Army security so lax?> How did this happen?!?”

Navy Yard - “Why was Navy security so lax? How did this person have access to the base (where he worked)?”

Fort Hood #2 - “Why was the Army security so lax? Don’t they know that Army bases are targets?”

Dayton - Wright Patterson Air Base - “Why are you harassing this poor family just because you thought they were driving a stolen car?”


41 posted on 04/11/2014 5:19:39 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Timber Rattler

Good thing they didn’t have a dog with them...


42 posted on 04/11/2014 5:20:22 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: j. earl carter
The Air Force Museum is just fantastic. If you ever find yourself in the vicinity of Dayton, you really should stop by.
I believe they open at 8am 7 days a week, not sure what time they close, and it's free.

Should we check our vehicle's status first? ;)

43 posted on 04/11/2014 5:24:42 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: driftdiver
I spent 10 years in the Air Force. The base police did not instill confidence.

In my years in the AF, on some bases I found the Security Forces to be rather anxious for some kind of action. This may have been one such instance.

44 posted on 04/11/2014 5:25:12 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: onedoug
ditto the museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola.... Thanks for the heads up.

Also, don't pass up the tours of the back lots. Pensacola and Dayton each have a version. The Air Force tour takes you through the shops where restoration is done and upcoming projects are stored. I was there a couple of years ago and they had a B-17 ball turret that looked as if it had just come off the assembly line!

And, one day is simply not enough for the Air Force museum.

45 posted on 04/11/2014 5:30:21 AM PDT by pa_dweller (Extremist tea-party-driven hostage-taking legislative arsonist without a life)
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To: Timber Rattler

Ban assault grandma’s.


46 posted on 04/11/2014 5:30:37 AM PDT by moovova
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To: j. earl carter

Not bloody likely.


47 posted on 04/11/2014 5:31:19 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: Haiku Guy

I can see being cautious on the approach and asking them out of the vehicle while you and your guys figure out what’s going on, but there’s an awful lot of “mights” and “coulds” in there to be immediately treating them as violent criminals. I’ve been in their shoes before, in far more dangerous grounds than Wright-Patterson AFB, and I’m not understanding why there’s apparently zero on-site judgment being used. It sounds like they reverted to some battle drill and didn’t bother analyzing the situation beyond what some database told them.

Anyone in the military who’s had to sit through getting their paperwork updated in S1 should know you can’t trust a database any farther than you can throw the SAN that hosts its data.


48 posted on 04/11/2014 5:37:47 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Timber Rattler

Some context might help here ....Sounds like this happened 2 days after the latest Ft Hood shooting, so it’s understandable that they were extra sensitive to anything out of the ordinary or a little suspicious.


49 posted on 04/11/2014 5:45:14 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Future Snake Eater
I can see being cautious on the approach and asking them out of the vehicle while you and your guys figure out what’s going on, but there’s an awful lot of “mights” and “coulds” in there to be immediately treating them as violent criminals.

If they were being treated as violent criminals, there would be a passage in there about how they were thrown to the ground, a knee placed on their back, were cuffed behind the back, and held down until the matter was resolved. If that had happened, I think the poster would have chosen to excerpt those parts of the article.

It sounds to me like a lot of discretion was used here, and this family was treated a lot better than somebody would have been if they looked more like your typical violent criminal. But discretion only goes so far. If you are on a military base in what is presumed to be a stolen vehicle, you can expect to be handcuffed.

50 posted on 04/11/2014 5:45:30 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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