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The Real Story Behind The Bundy Ranch Harassment
danaradio ^ | April 11, 2014

Posted on 04/11/2014 5:57:49 PM PDT by george76

By now you’re familiar with the standoff between the federal government, i.e. the Bureau of Land Management, and 67 year-old rancher Cliven Bundy. .. The BLM asserts their power through the expressed desire to protect the endangered desert tortoise, a tortoise so “endangered” that their population can no longer be contained by the refuge constructed for them so the government is closing it and euthanizing over a thousand tortoises. The tortoises, the excuse that BLM has given for violating claims to easements and running all but one lone rancher out of southern Nevada, is doing fine. In fact, the tortoise has lived in harmony with cattle in the Gold Butte, Clark County Nevada for over a hundred years, or as long as Cliven Bundy’s family has lived on the land as ranchers

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A tortoise isn’t the reason why BLM is harassing a 67 year-old rancher. They want his land. The tortoise wasn’t of concern when Harry Reid worked BLM to literally change the boundaries of the tortoise’s habitat to accommodate the development of his top donor, Harvey Whittemore. Whittemore was convicted of illegal campaign contributions to Senator Reid. Reid’s former senior adviser is now the head of BLM. Reid is accused of using the new BLM chief as a puppet to control Nevada land (already over 84% of which is owned by the federal government) and pay back special interests.

BLM has proven that they’ve a situational concern for the desert tortoise as they’ve had no problem waiving their rules concerning wind or solar power development. ... If only Clive Bundy were a big Reid donor.

(Excerpt) Read more at danaloeschradio.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
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1 posted on 04/11/2014 5:57:49 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Im certain the Torti...will enjoy their solar neighbors///


2 posted on 04/11/2014 6:00:53 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ..Benghazi Clinton Alert)
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To: george76

Interior Approves Two Ivanpah Valley Solar Projects on Chemehuevi Homelands

ICTMN Staff
2/20/14

Two controversial solar projects in the Ivanpah Valley, a renowned desert tortoise habitat that contains traditional homelands of the Chemehuevi Indian Tribe, have been approved by the U.S. Department of the Interior.

The 300-megawatt Stateline Solar Farm Project will be built in San Bernardino County, California, on about 1,685 acres of public land that’s two miles south of the California-Nevada border, the Interior Department said in a release. This facility will be able to power 90,000 homes via photovoltaic panels, and create 400 construction jobs plus 12 permanent jobs, the department said.

Likewise, the 250-megawatt Silver State South Solar Project near Primm, Nevada on about 2,400 acres of public land will be able to power 80,000 or so homes. That will be next to the 50-megawatt Silver State North Project, an Enbridge enterprise that has been operating since 2012 and was the first solar plant on public lands to deliver power to the grid. Silver State South will also use photovoltaic panels and will generate an estimated 300 jobs during construction and 15 permanent operations jobs, the Interior Department’s media release said.

The projects, which straddle the California-Nevada line, had been under scrutiny and been met with legal action by environmental groups and the Chemehuevi Indian Tribe for their infringement on endangered desert tortoise habitat, among other concerns. In its official Biological Opinion on the effect of the solar farms, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service calculated that the projects would displace or kill up to 2,115 desert tortoises, mainly babies and eggs that could be destroyed because they were not seen, reported public television station KCET in October 2013. At the same time, the Fish and Wildlife report said that although about 2,000 desert tortoises occupy the sites, the projects would not harm the species overall, KCET said.

Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/02/20/interior-approves-two-ivanpah-valley-solar-projects-chemehuevi-homelands-153653


3 posted on 04/11/2014 6:04:28 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: george76

It doesn’t serve Bundy’s cause well to not be accurate in saying things like this: “They want his land.”

That is simply not true, the land isn’t Bundy’s and never was. Accuracy matters, especially when people are saying things like “this is the beginning of CW2.” Stick it to BLM, stick it to Reid, but be accurate and stop acting like Bundy actually owned the land.


4 posted on 04/11/2014 6:04:52 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: george76









if you want to get your cattle back
I want a piece of the action








5 posted on 04/11/2014 6:06:05 PM PDT by devolve (- Tell VLADIMER after my ELECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: george76

Government vehicles and personnel outside of the Bundy ranch / Cliven and Carol Bundy


6 posted on 04/11/2014 6:08:00 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: george76

Are you aware this case goes back to 1993?


7 posted on 04/11/2014 6:09:22 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

First Solar

http://greencorruption.blogspot.com/2012/05/breaking-nrg-energy-on-doe-cronyism-hot.html#.U0iSXPldWSo

NRG acquired the Agua Caliente Solar Project from First Solar on August 5, 2011, as DOE announced the loan. First Solar is a Goldman Sachs investment, and Goldman Sachs –– #2 top Obama 2008 donor with two Bundlers and other donors –– has their DNA all over “green!”


8 posted on 04/11/2014 6:13:56 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: george76

Cannot remember the source right now, but involved petroleum rights/development in the area. Think Whorey Reid’s name was mentioned.

Looking to find the documentation.....


9 posted on 04/11/2014 6:23:28 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: dynoman

You make a good point, but this article is actually one of the better ones making the rounds. In the arid West, actual ownership of the land is not nearly as important as ownership and control of the water rights and the grazing rights.

Bundy claims that Clark County owns the land. The Federal government holds the title to the land, but Clark County controls the grazing rights and Bundy has a well established claim to those grazing rights for which he has paid the authorities. He also controls water rights, which is just as important. That’s the way things work in the West and why land disputes always center around water and grazing.

Reid and his cronies, together with their environmental wacko partners in crime have co opted the Endangered Species Act and the Environmental Protection Act to run legitimate ranchers out of business by denying them their water and grazing rights. It’s organized crime in operation out on the range and when they can’t get the courts to go along, they bribe or change the judges.


10 posted on 04/11/2014 6:28:09 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: dynoman

Thats my thoughts as well


11 posted on 04/11/2014 6:28:15 PM PDT by GregoTX (Remember the Alamo)
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To: S.O.S121.500

Isn’t Reid’s son mixed up with some sort of Chinese firm. maybe there is a connection. I do know Bundy won’t will. They will make something bad happen and everyone will back off. It is legal for our government to murder us.


12 posted on 04/11/2014 6:32:32 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: george76

Bump


13 posted on 04/11/2014 6:34:01 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: dalebert

“It is legal for our government to murder us.”

Now there’s a Ruby Ridge Waco type question for us.


14 posted on 04/11/2014 6:42:23 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: george76

why would cattle, grazing in a zillion acre field, threaten the tortoise???


15 posted on 04/11/2014 6:48:42 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: terycarl
why would cattle, grazing in a zillion acre field, threaten the tortoise???

Because racism.

16 posted on 04/11/2014 6:51:03 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: terycarl
It's not about that brand of reptile, it is about a snake named Reid, the Mormon Temple Recommend Reid, who is orchestrating a deal to net him power and money via his cronies who want the land to raise 'solar panels' for sale. The pollution the Chinks will be allowed to spew upon the land will not even be noted by the fedzilla enviro protection racket once Harry's deals are finished.

Take note of the posters who will try to defend the fedzilla actions but claim they are only trying to keep the discussion honest.

17 posted on 04/11/2014 6:56:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: george76
It's not about a danged tortoise.

The BLM is killing hundreds of desert tortoises.

Desert tortoise faces threat from its own refuge August 25, 2013

Back at the conservation center, a large refrigerator labeled "carcass freezer" hummed in the desert sun as scientists examined the facility's 1,400 inhabitants to find those hearty enough to release into the wild. Officials expect to euthanize more than half the animals in the coming months in preparation for closure at the end of 2014.

More glaring proof that the FedMob is incapable of managing lands or wildlife.


18 posted on 04/11/2014 7:01:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: george76

So have any of the good lefties asked what impact the solar farm will have on the tortoises?

No?

I thought not.

It’s just like their lie that everything they do to enlarge the iron fist of the State is ‘for the children,’ though what they do actually harms the children, they couldn’t care less about the tortoises. That is just a tear-jerk excuse to attack a US citizen and pay off their debt to the ChiComs.


19 posted on 04/11/2014 7:03:12 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: B4Ranch; All

“The most complete data is from the Beaver Dam Mountains. Woodbury and Hardy reported a tortoise population density of 150 per square mile in 1948. BLM reduced cattle grazing a few years later and eliminated cattle in 1970. Coombs reported a tortoise density of 39 per square mile in 1974. In these 26 years cattle use was reduced 100 percent and tortoise numbers were reduced 74 percent.

“These tortoises were doing so poorly a veterinarian, Dr. Jarchow, was consulted. He reported all six specimens were suffering from osteoporosis caused by a protein deficiency in their diet. Dr. Jarchow examined five specimens from the same mountains that shared their range with cattle. He reported these specimens were all healthy and well nourished.

“The historical record proves conclusively that tortoise thrive when cattle are on the range with them and without cattle grazing they are always malnourished and unhealthy and their numbers plummet.

http://www.vinsuprynowicz.com/?p=80

Hat tip to B4Ranch, that is his post.


20 posted on 04/11/2014 7:05:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: combat_boots
"“It is legal for our government to murder us.”"

Only from a drone.

21 posted on 04/11/2014 7:09:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: dynoman

Bundy needs some more innovative legal strategeries.


22 posted on 04/11/2014 7:11:16 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MHGinTN

But, but Cliven didn’t pay his fees......


23 posted on 04/11/2014 7:12:45 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Because racism. "

Don't go there buddy....

24 posted on 04/11/2014 7:13:30 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: dalebert

The Chinese solar firm was in Laughlin, NV.. Clark County as well. The deal died. This has nothing to do with that. This is a whole other animal. The BLM, US Fish and Wildlife along with the Endangered Species Act is destroying the West. I was just in Washington testifying about it yesterday as a matter of fact.


25 posted on 04/11/2014 7:14:18 PM PDT by Hildy (Falling down is how you grow. Staying down is how you die.)
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To: terycarl
"why would cattle, grazing in a zillion acre field, threaten the tortoise???"

did you ever have a cow step on you?

(me neither, but it can't be good.)

26 posted on 04/11/2014 7:14:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

When this story first began to emerge, I asked more than once as to where Bundy’s senator Harry Reid was. Now I know. He’s in the backroom counting his bribes and illegal campaign contributions.


27 posted on 04/11/2014 7:24:39 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: george76
Interesting that the Federal government has the time and manpower to enforce a turtle sanctuary by training attack rifles on US citizens while, in the same general area, cannot or will not stop the illegal alien flood from invading this country?

This country is lost!!!!!!!

28 posted on 04/11/2014 7:25:07 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: terycarl

<< why would cattle, grazing in a zillion acre field, threaten the tortoise??? >>

The cattle do not.

However, the Chinese Communists are paying Harry’s son large money to get Chinese solar panels on the public BLM land.


29 posted on 04/11/2014 7:28:26 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Hildy

thank you


30 posted on 04/11/2014 7:30:54 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: eeriegeno

By design.

Remember his national civilian army speech ?


31 posted on 04/11/2014 7:32:08 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I have no evidence to support my thinking, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn the Bundys all voted for Reid.


32 posted on 04/11/2014 7:32:28 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: george76

Sounds like a pest control problem to me.

First turtles, then Feds.


33 posted on 04/11/2014 7:47:39 PM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Paladin2

Try reading post 20—and as they’d been ranching for 120 years before anyone said boo about the turtle, it seems likely that the turtle and the cow can co-exist.


34 posted on 04/11/2014 8:11:15 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: dalebert

It is legal for our government to murder us.
-=0=-
You forgot, it is DUTY to exterminate them....


35 posted on 04/11/2014 8:14:24 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: TigersEye

More glaring proof that the FedMob is incapable of managing lands or wildlife.
-=0=-
Seems they managed to FUBAR the whore house they ended up with too.........


36 posted on 04/11/2014 8:16:15 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: Paladin2
"why would cattle, grazing in a zillion acre field, threaten the tortoise???" did you ever have a cow step on you? (me neither, but it can't be good.)

yes I have, and the step would NEVER kill a tortoise. I understand that the turtles do much better where they share the grazing land with cattle than they do when seperated...

37 posted on 04/11/2014 8:20:39 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: Mr Rogers

Still on duty I see. There are a couple threads you missed, maybe some more coffee?


38 posted on 04/11/2014 8:25:58 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi

I gather you dislike facts, and prefer to make your judgments on blind emotion?


39 posted on 04/11/2014 8:31:17 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Mr Rogers

I love facts.


40 posted on 04/11/2014 8:37:59 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Paladin2

You and I both know that all animals will avoid stepping on an obstacle in every instance, even while on the run, if they are able. Sure-footedness demands it. Cattle graze head down for the most part and even when on the move at a walk they watch what’s in front of them. Hunt much? I suppose you simply forgot the “sarc/” tag.


41 posted on 04/11/2014 8:42:59 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: chulaivn66
I don't have much direct experience with cattle.

I know they like to bump vehicles trying to drive them to the barnyard in the evening and that they are heavy with relatively small feet. As a kid, when we went into the pasture behind the house to get to more interesting places we avoided them.

42 posted on 04/11/2014 8:48:04 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: chulaivn66

I’m sure that cattle try not to step into gopher/prairie dog holes.


43 posted on 04/11/2014 8:48:54 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MileHi

Good. The facts include that this dates back to 1993. In his letters to the BLM, Bundy said he would not pay them because he didn’t believe either they or the federal government owned the land.

Could this recent enforcement action be tied to Dingy Harry? Possibly. But the root of the dispute goes back 20 years, and Bundy was very clear about why he stopped paying the BLM.

The problem I have is that someone who claims they are a citizen of Nevada and not a citizen of the USA is NOT someone I want representing conservatives or the Tea Party. This looks like a textbook case in how to discredit the Tea Party movement and conservatives, and promote the idea that conservatives are domestic terrorists.

Someone who fights for the right to be a Nevadan but not an American is not going to resonate with many Americans...


44 posted on 04/11/2014 8:53:17 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Mr Rogers

“I gather you dislike facts, and prefer to make your judgments on blind emotion?”

I’d like a fact: when and how did the US government come to own that land?


45 posted on 04/11/2014 8:54:35 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Paladin2

He tried paying them to Clark County. They wouldn’t accept them.


46 posted on 04/11/2014 9:00:03 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Mr Rogers
The facts include that this dates back to 1993.

Seems it goes back quite a bit further. But you have been all over here today framing it that way.

47 posted on 04/11/2014 9:04:45 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi

1993 is when Bundy stopped paying the BLM for his grazing permit. He did not object to BLM ownership from the 50s until 1993.

That is not framing. Bundy was paid up on his grazing permit thru February 28, 1993. That is a fact. Period.


48 posted on 04/11/2014 9:12:48 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Mr Rogers
So he paid until the demands became untenable. I take it you also side with the Connecticut polidiots against the rifle owners because they won't comply with the new untenable “laws”?

All I know here is you always find a way to apologize for jack-boots. Always.

49 posted on 04/11/2014 9:24:01 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: dsc

“I’d like a fact: when and how did the US government come to own that land?”

“The United States and Mexico signed the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848. In that treaty, Mexico ceded land that includes the present-day state of Nevada to the United States. 9 Stat. 922 (1848); see also Sparrow v. Strong, 70 U.S. (3 Wall.) 97, 104, 18 L.Ed. 49 (1865) (”The Territory, of which Nevada is a part, was acquired by Treaty.”). The language of the Treaty itself refers to the land ceded by Mexico to the United States as “territories previously belonging to Mexico, and which remain for the future within the limits of the United States.” 9 Stat. 922, 929 (1848). Courts in the United States have uniformly found that title to the land first passed to the United States through the Treaty. See, e.g., United States v. California, 436 U.S. 32, 34 n. 3, 98 S.Ct. 1662, 1663 n. 3, 56 L.Ed.2d 94 (1978) (stating that, under the Treaty, “all nongranted lands previously held by the Government of Mexico passed into the federal public domain”); Cappaert v. United States, 426 U.S. 128, 131, 96 S.Ct. 2062, 2066, 48 L.Ed.2d 523 (1976) (stating that a limestone cavern located in Nevada is “situated on land owned by the United States since the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848”)...

...Thus, as the United States has held title to the unappropriated public lands in Nevada since Mexico ceded the land to the United States in 1848, the land is the property of the United States. The United States Constitution provides in the Property Clause that Congress has the power “to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States.” U.S. Const. art. IV, § 3, cl. 2. The Supreme Court has consistently recognized the expansiveness of this power, stating that “[t]he power over the public land thus entrusted to Congress is without limitations.” Kleppe v. New Mexico, 426 U.S. 529, 539, 96 S.Ct. 2285, 2291, 49 L.Ed.2d 34 (1976); United States v. San Francisco, 310 U.S. 16, 29, 60 S.Ct. 749, 756, 84 L.Ed. 1050 (1940). See also Alabama v. Texas, 347 U.S. 272, 273, 74 S.Ct. 481, 481-82, 98 L.Ed. 689 (1954); United States v. California, 332 U.S. 19, 27, 67 S.Ct. 1658, 1662-63, 91 L.Ed. 1889 (1947); Gibson v. Chouteau, 80 U.S. (13 Wall.) 92, 99, 20 L.Ed. 534 (1871); United States v. Gratiot, 39 U.S. (14 Pet.) 526, 537, 10 L.Ed. 573 (1840). Moreover, the Supreme Court has noted that Congress “may deal with [its] lands precisely as an ordinary individual may deal with his farming property. It may sell or withhold them from sale.” Light v. United States, 220 U.S. 523, 536, 31 S.Ct. 485, 488, 55 L.Ed. 570 (1911) (internal quotation marks and citation omitted). Indeed, the establishment of a forest reserve by Congress is a “right[ ] incident to proprietorship, to say nothing of the power of the United States as a sovereign over the property belonging to it.” Id. at 537, 31 S.Ct. at 488.”

http://openjurist.org/107/f3d/1314/united-states-v-gardner

“The power over the public lands is vested in Congress by the Constitution without limitation, and has been considered the foundation on which the territorial governments rest.”

United States v. Gratiot - 39 U.S. 526 (1840)

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/39/526/case.html

Please note that 1840 US Supreme court case. This is not some new legal doctrine pushed by Obama.


50 posted on 04/11/2014 9:26:59 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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