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Out-of-state groups ride in to stand with Nevada rancher in battle with feds over grazing rights
Foxnews.com ^ | 4/11/2014

Posted on 04/11/2014 6:05:57 PM PDT by RoosterRedux

Groups from as far away as New Hampshire are riding out to Nevada to join the cattle rancher whose standoff with the federal government is growing tenser by the day.

The groups said they were going to the ranch, some 80 miles north of Las Vegas to stand with Cliven Bundy, who property is surrounded by federal agents. Bundy's herd, which once numbered nearly 1,000, is being thinned out by private contractors under the watch of dozens of armed federal agents in SUVs and helicopters, the government says, he has refused for two decades to pay fees to allow the cattle to graze on federal lands.

“Our mission here is to protect the protestors and the American citizens from the violence that the federal government is dishing out,” Jim Landy, a member of the West Mountain Rangers, who made the journey from Montana to Nevada, told Fox News Channel. “People here are scared.”

Bundy's family called for support this week after some incidents of violence between the family and protestors with law-enforcement. Bundy’s son was shot with a stun gun on Wednesday and his sister, Margaret Houston was pushed to the ground in incidents caught on video. The protests began to grow last week, after agents from the federal Bureau of Land Management shut off access to a large swath of federal land to round up Bundy’s cattle.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; blm; bundy; harryreid; neilkornze; nevada
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Obamastan is rising!
1 posted on 04/11/2014 6:05:57 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

If I could afford to go I would.


2 posted on 04/11/2014 6:07:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Obama will not go out like a lamb! JMHO!


3 posted on 04/11/2014 6:07:50 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

“The most complete data is from the Beaver Dam Mountains. Woodbury and Hardy reported a tortoise population density of 150 per square mile in 1948. BLM reduced cattle grazing a few years later and eliminated cattle in 1970. Coombs reported a tortoise density of 39 per square mile in 1974. In these 26 years cattle use was reduced 100 percent and tortoise numbers were reduced 74 percent.

“These tortoises were doing so poorly a veterinarian, Dr. Jarchow, was consulted. He reported all six specimens were suffering from osteoporosis caused by a protein deficiency in their diet. Dr. Jarchow examined five specimens from the same mountains that shared their range with cattle. He reported these specimens were all healthy and well nourished.

“The historical record proves conclusively that tortoise thrive when cattle are on the range with them and without cattle grazing they are always malnourished and unhealthy and their numbers plummet.

http://www.vinsuprynowicz.com/?p=80


4 posted on 04/11/2014 6:08:00 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: RoosterRedux

For what it’s worth, folks, here’s another doc to add to the list documenting BLM’s land grab

http://www.ntc.blm.gov/krc/uploads/704/6-Dry%20Lake%20Solar%20Energy%20Zone.pdf

There’s a name, email address & phone number at the end of it to spread the joy...

(I saved the doc just in case it disappears as well...)


5 posted on 04/11/2014 6:11:52 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: B4Ranch
"This ain't about tortoises, Redneck! This is about the Southside of Chicago against Whitey."

"Obama gots to pry Whitey's cold, dead hands off his Bible and his guns..."

6 posted on 04/11/2014 6:12:02 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: B4Ranch

The turtles thrive on bovine scat....I’m not shitting you...


7 posted on 04/11/2014 6:12:18 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Wait for it from the MSM: when lefty cranks do this, they’re “holding vigil”; when patriotic Americans do it, they’re “vigilantes.”


8 posted on 04/11/2014 6:12:37 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: SgtBob

It’s predigested food for some animals.


9 posted on 04/11/2014 6:13:34 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: RoosterRedux

What is the government going to do with the cattle once they have them?


10 posted on 04/11/2014 6:14:16 PM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

Give them voter ID cards and turn them loose in Chicago.


11 posted on 04/11/2014 6:15:23 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Freepers back this effort 100%!


12 posted on 04/11/2014 6:16:05 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: B4Ranch

The tortoise ruse is proof that nefarious is occurring here. Reid and his federal mafia are unquestionably behind this. Godspeed militia, death to tyrants. . How can that be controversial?


13 posted on 04/11/2014 6:16:25 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: cripplecreek

Same here..........


14 posted on 04/11/2014 6:16:28 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Are there any pictures on site of the good guys?


15 posted on 04/11/2014 6:16:33 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: SgtBob

GMTA


16 posted on 04/11/2014 6:17:16 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

Be Patient,
it’s coming to a canyon near You.


17 posted on 04/11/2014 6:18:31 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Big Red Badger

Canyon hell, its happening all around me now on a smaller scale.


18 posted on 04/11/2014 6:20:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: logi_cal869

Saved as well.


19 posted on 04/11/2014 6:20:50 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: RoosterRedux

I hope they are all bringing their artillery

counter sniper teams to the fore , 2 can play that game .


20 posted on 04/11/2014 6:20:57 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: B4Ranch; mabarker1

Not that I would partake, but it is enzyme, and protein heavy...sautéed with fried potatos?


21 posted on 04/11/2014 6:21:50 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: mabarker1

Heard an interesting comment from a BLM spokesperson tonight.

IT’S THE LAW OF THE LAND


22 posted on 04/11/2014 6:21:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Government is eager to protect a turtle but not and unborn human. that tells you where we are headed.


23 posted on 04/11/2014 6:26:25 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: boycott

They’re trying to sell them, if they haven’t driven them to death or abandoned the calves. In calving season.

Problem is that the fedcoats are now rustlers. They need Bundy’s signature to legally sell the cattle. Governors have INTERVENED.


24 posted on 04/11/2014 6:26:49 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Nothing to do with tortoises and everything to do with property rights. The head of the BLM (Reid’s former senior aid) is bringing this to a head after 20 years of back and forth.

There is nothing the Feds would like better than for one of the militia types to threaten or open fire. I have mixed thoughts. There isn’t any doubt that the Feds are pushing this at this time for political reasons. They can’t have the next election on Obamacare so they’re going for something bigger.

The individual LEOs are, for the most part just doing their jobs. The ranchers in Nevada who I know will support Bundy 100%. They know the nazi BLM.

We can’t take this crap much longer. Our rights and freedom are being regulated and PCed away.


25 posted on 04/11/2014 6:28:11 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: combat_boots

It’s gonna be tough selling them. Finding a livestock auction house that will go along with this scheme is going to be a tough hunt.


26 posted on 04/11/2014 6:28:38 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch
“The historical record proves conclusively that tortoise thrive when cattle are on the range with them and without cattle grazing they are always malnourished and unhealthy and their numbers plummet.

You are very correct sir. Although the cows eat the grass they also fertilize the grass for other plants to grow. The kind of plants that that damn desert turtle eats. So long as the land is not overgrazed the cows are the turtles best friend.

In far West Texas when I was a kid I would hunt out on the desert. Occasionally I would run across a desert turtle. I always puzzled how they survived. Only many years later as an adult I found out they get all their water from plants they eat. A properly managed desert range with cattle is that turtles friend.

I also lived in South Louisiana. Logger head turtles will go 100 lbs plus. They are a nasty bit of work, but turtle soup is divine.

27 posted on 04/11/2014 6:29:23 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN)
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To: RoosterRedux

This is what Obama wants so he can use his State Of Emergency Executive Order


28 posted on 04/11/2014 6:31:26 PM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: combat_boots

That whole situation is insane.

I am planning a massive celebration party for when the hussein obama regime comes to an end.


29 posted on 04/11/2014 6:32:23 PM PDT by boycott
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To: JimSEA
The individual LEOs are, for the most part just doing their jobs

The first "job" of any LEO is their oath which is to protect and defend the Constitution. A job that a very large majority of them are not doing.

30 posted on 04/11/2014 6:33:40 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: RoosterRedux

“Lueders said she understood that the heavy equipment was being used to “restore land that has been affected by the trespass cattle.”

The Bundy family has expressed concerns that the cattle are being mistreated. Stetsy Bundy Cox, Cliven Bundy’s daughter, told the Washington Free Beacon that she believes calves are being left behind.

“I watched them gather a herd off the river with helicopters, and they had rounded them for miles and by the time I saw them they were pushing them up the wash,” she said. “Most of them were mamas with babies because it’s calving season, and they’re just little. And I watched the calves, they couldn’t keep up very good and they kept slowing down and the helicopter would swoop down and you could hear them honking at them. And he kept swooping down and honking at them.”

Cox said that calves will hide under brush, and it is likely that employees removing the cattle would not see them.

“I also know my dad’s cows, because a few of those cows out there are my own personal cows,” she said. “When you push them too hard, or if you rope them they sulk. They’re kind of stubborn. And if they don’t want to go they’ll sulk. And if they get down and sulk they’ll sulk so long they won’t even get up, they’ll just die. So if you stress those cows out too much, they’ll do that.”

“Do I think they are leaving baby calves out there? I do,” Cox said. “Do I think that cows are dying? I do.”

http://freebeacon.com/issues/blm-wont-say-if-theyve-euthanized-cows-in-ranch-standoff/


31 posted on 04/11/2014 6:35:03 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Check this out

http://www.blm.gov/ntc/st/en/broadcasts/planning_nepa_forum4.html

Are BLM satellite broadcasts to ‘employees & stakeholders’ subject to FOIA retention rules?

More on BLM’s National Training Center archive on their ‘mitigation’

http://www.ntc.blm.gov/krc/viewresource.php?courseID=704

I guess they do archive it (while it remains there).

I’d like to know who the ‘stakeholders’ are...


32 posted on 04/11/2014 6:35:28 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: RoosterRedux
... agents from the federal Bureau of Land Management...

Why does Bureau of Land Management have "agents?"

33 posted on 04/11/2014 6:36:18 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Jet Jaguar

and another

“Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone”

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/blm_library/tech_notes.Par.29872.File.dat/TN_444.pdf


34 posted on 04/11/2014 6:38:57 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: SgtBob
The turtles thrive on bovine scat....I’m not shitting you...

They would really thrive in Washington.

35 posted on 04/11/2014 6:39:51 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: B4Ranch

“It’s gonna be tough selling them. Finding a livestock auction house that will go along with this scheme is going to be a tough hunt”

Yeh, so far the BLM is SOL. Utah told them to take a hike and the auctioeer in CO refused to take them. He said it would put him out of business. I doubt they will find an auction. Likely just start killing the cattle. Pretty sickening.


36 posted on 04/11/2014 6:42:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: boycott
I am planning a massive celebration party for when the hussein obama regime comes to an end.

You do know there's a good chance we won't be seeing this in our lifetimes?

37 posted on 04/11/2014 6:43:44 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: RoosterRedux
Well, I hope the whole world is watching this. Then it well be an embarrassment to Reid and thugs with Barrack Houssain Obummer.
38 posted on 04/11/2014 6:44:50 PM PDT by Vinylly (?)
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To: madprof98

Yes we will.


39 posted on 04/11/2014 6:44:56 PM PDT by boycott
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To: dalebert
Government is eager to protect a turtle but not and unborn human. that tells you where we are headed.

...or array considerable firepower against a rancher over thousands of acres of empty, arid land suitable only for sparse cattle grazing rather than against an assault at one its own embassies.

40 posted on 04/11/2014 6:47:22 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: logi_cal869

Fact Sheet on the BLM’s Management of Livestock Grazing

Grazing on Public Lands

The Bureau of Land Management, which administers about 245 million acres of public lands, manages livestock grazing on 155 million acres of those lands, as guided by Federal law. The terms and conditions for grazing on BLM-managed lands (such as stipulations on forage use and season of use) are set forth in the permits and leases issued by the Bureau to public land ranchers.

The BLM administers nearly 18,000 permits and leases held by ranchers who graze their livestock, mostly cattle and sheep, at least part of the year on more than 21,000 allotments under BLM management. Permits and leases generally cover a 10-year period and are renewable if the BLM determines that the terms and conditions of the expiring permit or lease are being met. The amount of grazing that takes place each year on BLM-managed lands can be affected by such factors as drought, wildfire, and market conditions.

The BLM administers nearly 18,000 permits and leases held by ranchers who graze livestock on public lands.
In managing livestock grazing on public rangelands, the BLM’s overall objective is to ensure the long-term health and productivity of these lands and to create multiple environmental benefits that result from healthy watersheds. The Bureau administers public land ranching in accordance with the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, and in so doing provides livestock-based economic opportunities in rural communities while contributing to the West’s, and America’s, social fabric and identity. Together, public lands and the adjacent private ranches maintain open spaces in the fast-growing West, provide habitat for wildlife, offer a myriad of recreational opportunities for public land users, and help preserve the character of the rural West.
A Brief History of Public Lands Grazing

During the era of homesteading, Western public rangelands were often overgrazed because of policies designed to promote the settlement of the West and a lack of understanding of these arid ecosystems. In response to requests from Western ranchers, Congress passed the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 (named after Rep. Edward Taylor of Colorado), which led to the creation of grazing districts in which grazing use was apportioned and regulated. Under the Taylor Grazing Act, the first grazing district to be established was Wyoming Grazing District Number 1 on March 23, 1935. Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes created a Division of Grazing within the Department to administer the grazing districts; this division later became the U.S. Grazing Service and was headquartered in Salt Lake City. In 1946, as a result of a government reorganization by the Truman Administration, the Grazing Service was merged with the General Land Office to become the Bureau of Land Management.

Sheep grazing near Worland, Wyoming, in 1940.

The unregulated grazing that took place before enactment of the Taylor Grazing Act caused unintended damage to soil, plants, streams, and springs. As a result, grazing management was initially designed to increase productivity and reduce soil erosion by controlling grazing through both fencing and water projects and by conducting forage surveys to balance forage demands with the land’s productivity (“carrying capacity”).

These initial improvements in livestock management, which arrested the degradation of public rangelands while improving watersheds, were appropriate for the times. But by the 1960s and 1970s, public appreciation for public lands and expectations for their management rose to a new level, as made clear by congressional passage of such laws as the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, and the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976. Consequently, the BLM moved from managing grazing in general to better management or protection of specific rangeland resources, such as riparian areas, threatened and endangered species, sensitive plant species, and cultural or historical objects. Consistent with this enhanced role, the Bureau developed or modified the terms and conditions of grazing permits and leases and implemented new range improvement projects to address these specific resource issues, promoting continued improvement of public rangeland conditions.

Current Management of Public Lands Grazing

The BLM monitors grazing areas using standards and guidelines for rangeland health.
Today the BLM manages livestock grazing in a manner aimed at achieving and maintaining public land health. To achieve desired conditions, the agency uses rangeland health standards and guidelines, which the BLM developed in the 1990s with input from citizen-based Resource Advisory Councils across the West. Standards describe specific conditions needed for public land health, such as the presence of streambank vegetation and adequate canopy and ground cover. Guidelines are the management techniques designed to achieve or maintain healthy public lands, as defined by the standards. These techniques include such methods as seed dissemination and periodic rest or deferment from grazing in specific allotments during critical growth periods.

Legal Mandates relating to Public Lands Grazing

Laws that apply to the BLM’s management of public lands grazing include the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978.
Federal Grazing Fee

The Federal grazing fee, which applies to Federal lands in 16 Western states on public lands managed by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service, is adjusted annually and is calculated by using a formula originally set by Congress in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. Under this formula, as modified and extended by a presidential Executive Order issued in 1986, the grazing fee cannot fall below $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM); also, any fee increase or decrease cannot exceed 25 percent of the previous year’s level. (An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month.) The grazing fee for 2014 is $1.35 per AUM, the same level as it was in 2013.

The Federal grazing fee is computed by using a 1966 base value of $1.23 per AUM for livestock grazing on public lands in Western states. The figure is then adjusted each year according to three factors – current private grazing land lease rates, beef cattle prices, and the cost of livestock production. In effect, the fee rises, falls, or stays the same based on market conditions, with livestock operators paying more when conditions are better and less when conditions have declined.
Number of Livestock on BLM-managed Lands

Grazing use on public lands has declined significantly since the 1950s.
The Bureau does not make an annual national “count” of the livestock that graze on BLM-managed lands because the actual number of livestock grazing on public lands on any single day varies throughout the year and livestock are often moved from one grazing allotment to another. So an aggregate head count would provide very little information on overall livestock use. Instead, the BLM compiles information on the number of AUMs used each year, which takes into account both the number of livestock and the amount of time they spend on public lands. (For the definition of an AUM, see previous section.) Over time there has been a gradual decrease in the amount of grazing that takes place on BLM-managed land, and that trend continues today. Grazing use on public lands has declined from 18.2 million AUMs in 1954 to 7.9 million AUMs in 2013. In most years, the actual use of forage is less than the amount authorized because forage amounts and demands depend on several factors, such as drought, wildfire, and market conditions, as noted earlier regarding annual public land grazing levels.
Grazing Permit System

Any U.S. citizen or validly licensed business can apply for a BLM grazing permit or lease. To do so, one must either:

buy or control private property (known as “base property”) that has been legally recognized by the Bureau as having preference for the use of public land grazing privileges,
or acquire property that has the capability to serve as base property and then apply to the BLM to transfer the preference for grazing privileges from an existing base property to the acquired property (which would become the new “base property”).
The first alternative happens when base property (a private ranch) is sold or leased to a new individual or business; the buyer or lessee then applies to the BLM for the use of grazing privileges associated with that property. The second alternative would happen when a rancher wants to transfer existing public land grazing privileges to another party while keeping the private ranch property. Before buying or leasing ranch property, it is advisable to contact the BLM Field Office that administers grazing in the area of the base property. The BLM has information on the status of the grazing privileges attached to the base property, including the terms and conditions of the associated grazing permit or lease that authorizes the use of those privileges and other important information. All applicants for grazing permits or leases must meet the qualifications for public land grazing privileges that are specified in the BLM’s grazing regulations.
The Role of Livestock Grazing on Public Lands Today

Grazing, which was one of the earliest uses of public lands when the West was settled, continues to be an important use of those same lands today. Livestock grazing now competes with more uses than it did in the past, as other industries and the general public look to the public lands as sources of both conventional and renewable energy and as places for outdoor recreational opportunities, including off-highway vehicle use. Among the key issues that face public land managers today are global climate change, severe wildfires, invasive plant species, and dramatic population increases, including the associated rural residential development that is occurring throughout the West.

Livestock grazing can result in impacts on public land resources, but well-managed grazing provides numerous environmental benefits as well. For example, while livestock grazing can lead to increases in some invasive species, well-managed grazing can be used to manage vegetation. Intensively managed “targeted” grazing can control some invasive plant species or reduce the fuels that contribute to severe wildfires. Besides providing such traditional products as meat and fiber, well-managed rangelands and other private ranch lands support healthy watersheds, carbon sequestration, recreational opportunities, and wildlife habitat. Livestock grazing on public lands helps maintain the private ranches that, in turn, preserve the open spaces that have helped write the West’s history and will continue to shape this region’s character in the years to come.

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/grazing.html


41 posted on 04/11/2014 6:51:18 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: HMS Surprise

Reid’s son, Rory Reid, has a deal with a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada. The Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for a large solar energy farm. The presence of cattle grazing in these lands are viewed as an obstacle to a solar facility.

The BLM’s false claim of protecting the desert tortoise falls flat when it has been learned that the agency has previously been killing in mass sick desert tortoises at its Desert Tortoise Conservation Center (DTCC) in southern Las Vegas. It seems that a disease has stricken this tortoise recovery center and paints a massive boondogle in the DTCC operation. Because of funding cutbacks, the DTCC is soon to close down. The fate of the raised tortoises as they are released to the wilds will find the same bad result as any wild animal raised in captivity.


42 posted on 04/11/2014 6:51:22 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: boycott

The regime may end in 2yrs or so, but the damage will be around for decades, if not forever. The Republic is nearly gone, the economy is dying, the population racially-divided as never before, we’re awash in illegal aliens, and the nation is nearly bankrupt beyond repair. His final 18mos are going to be a nightmare of EOs to finish the job.


43 posted on 04/11/2014 6:53:38 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Ten Miles Square.....I only wish it was desert.


44 posted on 04/11/2014 6:56:30 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: SgtBob
The turtles thrive on bovine scat....I’m not shitting you...

You are correct, but that is irrelevant. Crony capitalism for a solar farm, or fracking is much more important than grazing cattle. Just ask Harry Reid.

5.56mm

45 posted on 04/11/2014 6:56:38 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: carriage_hill

There is going to be a serious push for the UN’s New World Order as soon as our economy drops a few more percentage points.


46 posted on 04/11/2014 6:58:13 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: cripplecreek

Road trip!


47 posted on 04/11/2014 6:58:35 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: cripplecreek

It’s a phrase,,
point being , go if you can, if you must.
But,
You’re Area of Operations will go HOT soon enough.


48 posted on 04/11/2014 6:58:39 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: RoosterRedux
I understand that he lost in a court ruling, and is (technically) in violation of the law, BUT:

The larger issue is the overreach of the Feds, and a populace that is resorting to defiance in the face of overbearing laws.

Witness (perhaps) hundreds of thousands of law-abiding Connecticut residents refusing to register their rifles, thus becoming instant felons.
Same is expected next week when New York state's new gun laws take effect:

"Screw you, we will not comply."

"DONT TREAD ON ME", indeed.

49 posted on 04/11/2014 6:58:51 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: B4Ranch

There are backhoes and front-end loaders on site; the JBTs will just kill/let them die, and bury them in pits. It’s a very vast piece of land.


50 posted on 04/11/2014 6:59:06 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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