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Militiamen make their presence felt in protest of BLM’s livestock grab
Las Vegas Sun ^ | April 11, 2014 | By Ed Komenda

Posted on 04/11/2014 10:01:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

BUNKERVILLE — The militiamen rolled in to draw a line in the dirt.

About 70 miles northeast of Las Vegas, they set up camp on a sun-baked patch of land next to a bend in the Virgin River, keeping supplies — like rucksacks and sleeping bags — in neat piles under the roof of an abandoned shack.

Gruff and largely unshaven, dressed in camouflage fatigues and cut-off shirts, the men kept their intentions quiet, telling news reporters the reason they pulled their trucks into this rural desert town — on one of the hottest days of the year — is simple enough: “We’re here to camp,” said one man who would not share his name.

But they were really here to protect one of their own from the perceived enemies: a band of federal agents recently dispatched to the scrub desert to seize the cattle of embattled rancher Cliven Bundy.

“They’re here to protect Cliven’s family and home,” said Lynn Brown, one of Bundy’s daughters.

A 68-year-old Nevada native, Bundy has long been at the center of a battle with the Bureau of Land Management, the federal agency controlling the 150 miles of desert where the rancher’s cattle have roamed for decades. A renegade when it comes to any sort of government control, Bundy — the father of 14 children — has refused to pay BLM a dime of required grazing fees for his 900 cattle, a tab that has since reached $300,000. Bundy has fought the fee, he says, because his Mormon ancestors set up shop on the land long before the BLM formed.

The problem? The land where Bundy’s cattle graze is federally owned, and the BLM now says the livestock aren’t supposed to be there. Federal agents this week cordoned off sections of land and sparked...

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyranch; corruption; fascism; harryreid; neilkornze; nevada; tyranny
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1 posted on 04/11/2014 10:01:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Just came from the prayer thread on this topic.

I feel that the feds are dying to escalate this to bloodshed.

2 posted on 04/11/2014 10:05:21 PM PDT by SIDENET
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To: Jim Robinson

Jimbo, bedn listening to this if interested:

Nationwide conference call in progress regarding Bundy Ranch
1-559-726-1300 access code is 276125#


3 posted on 04/11/2014 10:05:42 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

“been” gawd I hate tablets!


4 posted on 04/11/2014 10:06:42 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m praying that there is no violence.

Got a bad feeling about all this.


5 posted on 04/11/2014 10:08:52 PM PDT by Bobalu (Four Cokes And A Fried Chicken)
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To: Jim Robinson

Out of curiosity, is the bit about Bundy not paying the land fees correct?


6 posted on 04/11/2014 10:11:36 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig
Out of curiosity, is the bit about Bundy not paying the land fees correct?

If it is should he be killed for it? That's a hell of a tax penalty.

7 posted on 04/11/2014 10:13:35 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: Jim Robinson
Gruff and largely unshaven

Of course they would be unshaven, "Gruff"?, you would have to ask the twit who wrote this what that means.

8 posted on 04/11/2014 10:16:26 PM PDT by Octar
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To: Octar

Gruff! Gruff! Gruff gruff gruff!


9 posted on 04/11/2014 10:17:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Little Pig; Kenny

It say 900 cattle on desert land. What is the carrying capacity of such land. Ranchers have a right to run cattle on public lands for a fee (usually fairly low which it says he is not paying), but they don’t have a right to destroy the land with over grazing. It sounds like he is just plain against. Of course, with 14 children, he may not have the money.


10 posted on 04/11/2014 10:18:29 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Little Pig; Jim Robinson

This is from Bundy’s daughter on their webpage. She explains how it came to this. Lots of misspellings and other errors, but the point gets across:

http://standwiththebundys.wordpress.com/2014/04/11/a-message-from-shiree-bundy-cox/


11 posted on 04/11/2014 10:19:02 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Kenny

No, he shouldn’t, obviously. However, that’s the first I’ve heard of it. I didn’t know if it was intended to be a hatchet job, or if it was legit. If legit, there is grounds for at least *some* LEO involvement (though nothing like this). If the law says you can’t graze cattle there unless a fee is paid, then that’s the law until it gets struck down.


12 posted on 04/11/2014 10:20:05 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig

Out of curiosity, is the bit about Bundy not paying the land fees correct?

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Sort of. His family has had defacto possession and use of this land for over 130 years. At some point they did pay fees which were imposed later. Originally the fees were funneled back as assistance, and that stopped. Standard federal breach of contract, because they can. Anyway, Bundy at some point started years worth of legal proceedings and in the interim offered the payments to other state and county entities which refused the payments. One by one all of the area ranchers have been driven out or given up over increased strictures and fees. Bundy is the last one in the area still in operation.

Bundy has a case, albeit an antiquated one. Forty or fifty years ago he might have prevailed, but we were a nation of laws then.


13 posted on 04/11/2014 10:20:48 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Farmers have been grazing their cattle on government land since the inception of this nation. What the hell is wrong with the BLM here?

So the guy has 900 head of cattle. If he came by them legally, so what? Like those cattle are going to hurt anything that doesn’t exist ten miles on down the road, on the 99.999% of the federal land where not cattle are grazing.

This is just the federal government throwing it’s weight around just to show it can.

I side with Bundy on this.

The Bloat Management team can go suck eggs. It’s just one more agency that needs to be EPAed right along with that agency.

Man I wish Republicans in Washington could scrape up two whole balls between them sometime in the next century.


14 posted on 04/11/2014 10:21:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Jim Robinson

A writer friend of mine tipped me to this article and the author, “Daxton Brown” (he researched and wrote a book about Harry Reid’s corruption)

“Harry Reid’s Connection to Bundy Ranch Siege”

http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_bundyranch.php

Explains a lot.


15 posted on 04/11/2014 10:22:41 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Octar

“Gruff”?, you would have to ask the twit who wrote this what that means.

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I think it means: “Ewww! Not a polished and perfumed swaying metrosexual!”


16 posted on 04/11/2014 10:23:15 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: SIDENET

> I feel that the feds are dying to escalate this to bloodshed.

The People’s limits are being tested by Der Fuehrer right now to see how much of our rights we will give up. I predict he will keep pressing buttons (stealing cattle, having agents unlawfully arrest and assault possibly even kill “dissidents”, seize land, etc) until he gets The People to snap and pull out their weapons and fire on and kill some his agents who he will sacrifice willingly to get massive media exposure and make them look like right wing gun nuts. The Left will go nuts and he will try to push through federal gun grabbing legislation while he laughs giddily at his own “genius” from the WH.


17 posted on 04/11/2014 10:26:01 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Psalm 144

That’s all I was asking. Kind of odd that he would try to pay a state entity for the use of federal land. Had the FedGov kept this in the courts (biased as they are) at least it would maintain the semblance of legitimacy. If what you say is correct, then the feds have decided that they’re not getting their way fast enough to suit them, and have decided to force the issue. In that case, I’m surprised that a) they haven’t already launched their assault, and b) the various private-citizen groups there haven’t told the feddies more explicitly that it’s time for them to go home.


18 posted on 04/11/2014 10:26:12 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: SIDENET

they totally are. i hope imperial fedgov gets smacked down hard.


19 posted on 04/11/2014 10:26:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Little Pig

Much as I’d like to side with this guy, and as much as I hate the Fedzillla bullies, he’s frankly a bit of a nutter. He says he would pay the country to graze but not the Feds because they don’t own the land. It’s one thing to say you don’t think the Feds should own most of the state. It’s another thing to say they don’t, refuse to pay grazing royalties, ignore court orders, and bet the family farm (literally) than nobody will enforce them.


20 posted on 04/11/2014 10:33:47 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Texas Fossil

> A writer friend of mine tipped me to this article and the author, “Daxton Brown” (he researched and wrote a book about Harry Reid’s corruption)

“Harry Reid’s Connection to Bundy Ranch Siege”

http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_bundyranch.php

Explains a lot.

If you have any doubts that Reid is connected to organized crime and sleaze you won’t after read the article ^


21 posted on 04/11/2014 10:38:13 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Little Pig

The man is arguing from old common law, equity and natural law which were all jettisoned during the 20th century in favor of ‘positive law’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_law

IMO, odds of him having a winnable case are nigh nonexistent.

I suspect his efforts to pay other entities were to demonstrate honesty and good faith during the dispute, but that is not how it works and they properly refused it.

My understanding is that he has since lost in court, and had no means or counsel to move with an appeal.

He is a rancher not an appellate attorney, and it appears that people in very high places want him out and dispossessed of valuable land.


22 posted on 04/11/2014 10:38:57 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Hugin

Good points. Again, that’s why I asked whether the unpaid fees issue was legit. The Feddies have obviously taken this way too far at this point, and are going to have a hard time backing down (not that they want to). It really has become about more than just grazing rights, for both sides. For private citizens, it’s about having a government that is accountable and respects rights, and for the feddies it’s about enforcing the “agenda” and justifying their militarization.

Don’t think this one has much chance of ending well.


23 posted on 04/11/2014 10:40:43 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Hugin

this isn’t the first time feds tried this

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62362


24 posted on 04/11/2014 10:49:48 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

left off title to that link

Media-Suppressed Nevada Case History Shines Truth on Government Ranch invaders

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62362


25 posted on 04/11/2014 10:51:36 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Texas Fossil

Wasn’t one of the politicians in the movie Casino based on Reid?


26 posted on 04/11/2014 10:52:08 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

It has been years since I was at a movie. I plead ignorance.

I have never heard of a movie called Casino.

But yes, it is common knowledge that Reid is Mafia Connected.


27 posted on 04/11/2014 10:54:55 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Texas Fossil

The movie came out in the 1990s and is based on Frank “Lefty” Rosenthal’s activities in Las Vegas and the Mafia’s involvement in gaming in Las Vegas.


28 posted on 04/11/2014 10:57:57 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: jsanders2001

If you have not read this open letter by Mike Vanderboegh, you should read it.

“An Open Letter to the Legislative Tyrants of Connecticut.”

February 27, 2014

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/search?q=Mike+Open+letter

Further down in Mike’s discussion:

” This is not a threat, of course. Not the personal, actionable threat that you may claim. It ranks right along with — no, that’s wrong, IT IS EXACTLY LIKE — an ex-con meeting me in the street and pointing to my neighbor’s house saying, “Tonight I am going to break in there, kill that man, rape his wife and daughters and steal everything that he is, has, or may become.” I warn him, “If you try to do that, he will kill you first. He may not look like much, but I know him to be vigilant and perfectly capable of blowing your head off.” That is not a threat from me. It is simply good manners. Consider this letter in the same vein. I am trying to save you from yourself.

For, like that common criminal, you have announced by your unconstitutional law and your public statements in favor of its rigorous enforcement that you have a tyrannical appetite for your neighbors’ liberty, property and lives. It doesn’t take a crystal ball to see that this policy, if carried to your announced conclusion, will not end well for anybody, but especially for you. To think otherwise is to whistle past the graveyard of our own history. (6)”


29 posted on 04/11/2014 11:08:48 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Army Air Corps

Thanks for the explanation.


30 posted on 04/11/2014 11:10:44 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Ah, I was correct in my recollection.

“Frank Rosenthal did have a hearing with the Nevada Gaming Control Board. Furthermore, he argued with the chairman, the current Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and was denied a gaming license. In 1988, he was officially put in the “Black Book” (List of Persons Excluded from Licensed Gaming Establishments in the State of Nevada). -Las Vegas Sun”


31 posted on 04/11/2014 11:11:55 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jim Robinson

Reid is going to show Obama how it’s done. Obama only blew $527 million on his solar boondoggle (Solyndra), Reid is going for 10 times that.

In the meantime the KL pipeline waits...


32 posted on 04/11/2014 11:18:55 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Reid is going to show Obama how it’s done. Obama only blew $527 million on his solar boondoggle (Solyndra), Reid is going for 10 times that.

In the meantime the KL pipeline waits...


33 posted on 04/11/2014 11:18:55 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Hugin

We stand together always, or surely we will fail. Stop accepting legalism as justification for tyranny.


34 posted on 04/11/2014 11:21:03 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: Army Air Corps

the scene where DeNiro’s character has the knuckles of that cheat cracked was pretty gruesome.


35 posted on 04/11/2014 11:22:28 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Army Air Corps

the scene where DeNiro’s character has the knuckles of that cheat cracked was pretty gruesome.


36 posted on 04/11/2014 11:22:37 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: RitchieAprile

And that really happened. As did the incident with the dude’s head in a vice.


37 posted on 04/11/2014 11:23:38 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jim Robinson

Another story said he owed a million


38 posted on 04/11/2014 11:27:18 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Jim Robinson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drEGR-H92EU

saddle um boys


39 posted on 04/11/2014 11:31:42 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: HMS Surprise

“We” who?

I’m not telling you what to do.


40 posted on 04/11/2014 11:37:44 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Texas Fossil

Sounds like a very logical and well thought out letter with an implied warning and threat to tyrants who seek to impose their will and force over us


41 posted on 04/11/2014 11:40:49 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Little Pig

Yes from what I read, this is correct, but he says he would gladly pay the fees to Clark County Nevada if they sent him a bill, says does not recognize the feds owning Nevada land as when his family started grazing on it, it was state of Nevada or maybe even still a territory... Personally I think the land rights should be grandfathered to him in this case... If he had set up a mine there 140 years ago and produced enough from the land, it would have been a patented claim and he would have owned the land outright...


42 posted on 04/11/2014 11:43:35 PM PDT by AzNASCARfan
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To: HiTech RedNeck

43 posted on 04/11/2014 11:55:04 PM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: Salamander

OH, lol.


44 posted on 04/11/2014 11:56:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: gleeaikin
They've been grazing cattle on that land since 1870.
They probably know the carrying capacity.
45 posted on 04/12/2014 12:26:01 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Have to side with Bundy on this one. Don’t like what the gangster thugs in Washington are up to here, The Governor should tell them to clear out.


46 posted on 04/12/2014 12:31:04 AM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: SIDENET

There are 3 videos from a sheriff in another county of AZ that faced this same over reach towards one of his rancher constituents. He explains the Feds don’t have the authority to come in and take the cattle unless the sheriff grants them that authority. This video was done in 2010 but is applicable to what is happening right now. You will be uplifted by this honorable man and wish, like I did, we had more sheriff’s that understood the constitution.

I think all of us wondered about the overkill response by BLM. Once you see Harry Reid’s son made a deal with a Chinese solar energy company that wants the land it starts to make more sense. I think if you watch the videos you will understand this situation better and the importance of the water rights and why BLM is removing his water pipes that carried water for the livestock and local wildlife. This is starting to look like nothing to do with a turtle and everything to do with Harry Reid wanting that land for the Chinese company his son made a big$$$$ deal with.


47 posted on 04/12/2014 1:33:34 AM PDT by Reb Raider
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To: Jim Robinson

Interesting that the narrative of the article mentions military garb, camouflage, etc. as if all that is a bad thing. But when I scanned through the 16 pictures they had plus the two in the article, there is no one that I could see dressed like that. Just ranchers, citizens and normal people.

One would think the writer was taking literary license for which his/her permit had expired.


48 posted on 04/12/2014 2:41:36 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Little Pig

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/bundy_ranch_the_federal_government_and_the_nevada_water_tipping_point.html


49 posted on 04/12/2014 2:46:23 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Jim Robinson

” perceived enemies”?
This damned federal gub mint has become the enemy of the American peoples.
F-—em.


50 posted on 04/12/2014 3:40:36 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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