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Why Putin is dictating terms to Kerry on Ukraine
CNN ^ | April 11, 2014 | By Simon Tisdall

Posted on 04/11/2014 10:31:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

London (CNN) -- High-level talks to defuse the Ukraine crisis, due to be held by the U.S., Russia, the EU and the Kiev government next week, amount to a big personal test for John Kerry after a notably accident-prone first year as U.S. President Barack Obama's secretary of state.

Kerry's State Department failed to see the Ukraine crisis coming and may have inadvertently helped to provoke it. They pushed too hard as the EU moved to cement closer ties with the former Soviet republic. Then, when Ukraine's elected, pro-Russia president was forcibly overthrown, the U.S. barely concealed its satisfaction.

The conviction that Washington deliberately engineered the Kiev "coup" predictably enraged Russian President Vladimir Putin. He decided he would try a bit of direct intervention of his own. The result was last month's annexation of Crimea and the apparent, continuing Russian military threat to eastern Ukraine.

There is a bit of a pattern emerging here...

Out of touch...

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: kerry; obama; putin; russia; ukraine
This is CNN...
1 posted on 04/11/2014 10:31:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

A bit dishonest here. Russia itself is at fault for the crisis in Ukraine. It’s goons were marching all over Ukraine and working with Putin’s Puppet to rob and commit violence against the Ukrainian people. You can’t blame the U.S. for somehow forcing the abuser to abuse even more than usual after their back hands failed to receive the initial desired result.


2 posted on 04/11/2014 10:33:51 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Jim Robinson

While Kerry is no great shakes, if Guardianista Simon Tisdall were Secretary of State, Putin would probably have rolled over all of Europe without demur.


3 posted on 04/11/2014 10:42:34 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Why did Russia wait 23 years to invade Ukraine?


4 posted on 04/11/2014 10:47:36 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Jim Robinson

‘...Ah, the rice in my ass. That’s where I had them....’


5 posted on 04/11/2014 10:49:43 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Jim Robinson

Because Kerry is a clown and so is his boss. Nothing but assclowns that have no knowledge of foreign diplomacy.


6 posted on 04/11/2014 10:53:38 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Because Kerry is a clown and so is his boss. Nothing but assclowns that have no knowledge of foreign diplomacy.


7 posted on 04/11/2014 10:53:47 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Oh... I suspect it will eventually emerge that we were a bit more involved than just passively “viewing with satisfaction”.


8 posted on 04/11/2014 11:00:10 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: Jim Robinson

Because he can.


9 posted on 04/11/2014 11:09:34 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m really learning to appreciate how a real president knows how to run global relationships and global affairs and operations, in a way that he can always influence events, and if he can’t change a result, he at least has chess pieces to play, that shifts the game in our favor, and against the bad guys, if not now, tomorrow, constantly pressuring and influencing things to fit our aims.

I really wish we had some grownups in office now.


10 posted on 04/11/2014 11:31:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama’s diplomacy of dithering, dabbling dilettantism has opened the door for Putin to restore his empire.
It seems to me that those who support Putin’s restoration of the Soviet Empire under a new banner must be pleased with the bumbling and flat-footed approach of Obama and Kerry.


11 posted on 04/12/2014 12:06:30 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

They did a cost benefit analysis and decided there were few risks to taking Crimea now. But there is a cost. Crimea will cost money to the Russians for pensions and infrastructure for very little benefit to the Russian people. Empires do cost. And the Russians will have to spend even more on defense now because everyone else in their area of the world will be doing the same.


12 posted on 04/12/2014 12:16:36 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Secretary Kerry is a fool. No one respects him and his judgment and no one wants to go out of their way to make him look good.

And the ineffectual poking at Russia have only shown the world the limits of American power. Never make a threat you can’t enforce.

The Ukraine crisis is likely to be settled on the terms Russia wants because without Russian cooperation - no settlement will work.

What is clear in Ukraine and in everything else in the last year, Kerry was President Obama’s most disastrous second term pick. One can see what kind of a President his Secretary Of State would have made.

His predecessor Hillary Clinton did nothing of real consequence. But then she also did America and its interests no real harm.


13 posted on 04/12/2014 3:04:20 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson

Putin dictated terms with Syria as well.

It is strength versus “flexibility” on display.


14 posted on 04/12/2014 3:05:53 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

Actually Obama erased his own “red lines” and left the French who had pushed for US intervention in Syria holding the bag. Into that vacuum stepped the Russians. They have racked up significant gains at minimal costs - and the sanctions are likely to be dropped sooner or later. America is a declining power in retreat.


15 posted on 04/12/2014 3:13:14 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: elhombrelibre

Actually Crimea has a lot of valuable gas and oil beneath its sea shelf waiting to be exploited - and the potential is considerable. The profits from its development will more than offset any potential liabilities stemming from its acquisition for Russia. This is made clear by the sanctions America slapped yesterday on the Crimean state energy company Chernmorneftegaz to discourage its transfer to Russia’s gas behemoth Gazprom.


16 posted on 04/12/2014 3:20:42 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson

Painting Kerry as a foreign policy failure directs attention away from his boss and his predecessor. For example, notice how carefully the article avoids mentioning Libya.


17 posted on 04/12/2014 4:18:42 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Yeah, the whole “engineering a coup” thing was going through Putin’s mind during the years when he was installing his well-paid corrupt puppet regime, and like any other gangster, he didn’t like it when his victims fought back. Dhimmihood — it’s not just imposed by muzzies anymore.


18 posted on 04/12/2014 4:24:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well said. And Putinistas demonstrate their Dhimmihood of the mind daily on FReeREpublic by paying homage to Putin , the Emperor of the neo-Russian empire, the Czar, the President for Life, and the Gangster Statesman.


19 posted on 04/12/2014 4:35:23 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: goldstategop

I know you hope America is a declining power.


20 posted on 04/12/2014 4:36:11 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I was stating a fact brought about by this Administration’s policies.

But I don’t see you getting worked up about its slashing in military spending, in its neglect of our allies, in its buttering up to our adversaries and its “leading from behind.”

Don’t shoot the messenger if you don’t like to hear the message. Obama talks loudly and carries no stick and you damn well know it.

America is in danger of becoming the Rodney Dangerfield superpower, if isn’t already.


21 posted on 04/12/2014 4:45:36 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: elhombrelibre

I’m not a friend of Putin. I have a healthy fear of him. No one fears Obama.


22 posted on 04/12/2014 4:47:02 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Actually, I’m very aware of the impacts of Obama’s budget on the military. Even with that said, America’s decline is more in the minds of its enemies than in its research and development and its materiel strength.


23 posted on 04/12/2014 4:48:46 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Perception too has a lot to do with it. We can’t do much on Ukraine.

Let’s make a stand where we really do need to flex muscles.


24 posted on 04/12/2014 4:52:12 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson
Kerry: “All options are on the table” in response to Russian invasion of Crimea

I guess that doesn't mean what I think it means.

25 posted on 04/12/2014 4:56:01 AM PDT by McGruff (I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb Bush pulled a Charlie Crist)
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To: goldstategop

I believe the Ukrainians, if they’re willing, can do much. They do not have to submit to Russia.


26 posted on 04/12/2014 5:10:01 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

Putin has full and complete KGB dossiers on Obama, Kerry, Biden, Hagel, Jarrett, Holder and the rest in this radical administration.


27 posted on 04/12/2014 6:16:53 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Jim Robinson

28 posted on 04/12/2014 6:26:05 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Russia doesn’t need an army to bring Ukraine to its knees, all it needs to do is double the price of the natural gas it sends to the Ukraine, which Vladimir Putin has in fact already done.

The European Union has vowed to help Ukraine pay for its newly high-priced gas, which will eventually bring Europe to its economic knees too.

The Obama administration could save Ukraine and Europe from this fate by allowing, in fact, encouraging, U.S. exports of natural gas to the troubled region. It could also approve the XL pipeline and other measures to increase U.S. oil production and exports, thereby hurting Russia’s oil-dependent economy. Europe could help itself by allowing fracking so that it can become energy-independent.

Why is none of this happening? Because Obama and Europe’s leaders have bowed to environmental interests. By doing so, they have also bowed to Vladimir Putin’s interests, the most important of which is to maintain a monopoly on gas and oil going to Ukraine and Europe.

Is Vladimir Putin any more guilty for taking advantage of its oil and gas monopoly, which America and Europe are allowing it to do, than Standard Oil once was for taking advantage of its similar monopoly, which the U.S. government once permitted?

Or are the guilty parties Obama and the leaders of Europe for enabling Vladimir Putin’s actions by their refusal to help Ukraine become more energy-independent of Russia?


29 posted on 04/12/2014 6:51:24 AM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: Jim Robinson
Why Putin is dictating terms to Kerry on Ukraine...

Because he could! :) Kerry is a coward, moron and a wuss. That would be MY guess!

30 posted on 04/12/2014 6:58:58 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!l)
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To: Bluestocking
The European Union has vowed to help Ukraine pay for its newly high-priced gas, which will eventually bring Europe to its economic knees too. The Obama administration could save Ukraine and Europe from this fate by allowing, in fact, encouraging, U.S. exports of natural gas to the troubled region. It could also approve the XL pipeline and other measures to increase U.S. oil production and exports, thereby hurting Russia’s oil-dependent economy. Europe could help itself by allowing fracking so that it can become energy-independent.

Gazprom charges much lower prices than Europe can get anywhere else. Europe isn't addicted to Russian gas - it's addicted to cheap Russian gas. Even a doubling makes Russian gas cheaper than that available from anywhere else. Europe refuses to use coal, which it has ample stores of, and is cheaper than natural gas, because of the greenies. Ukraine has plenty of coal, but the country has a Soviet-style economy that prevents foreigners from benefiting from helping to extract it.

31 posted on 04/12/2014 7:19:34 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Jim Robinson

- WAKEUP CALL on IQ :

Bill Clinton - sold out for Hillary Rotten because he loves to wake up to her lovely face in the morning

John Kerry - sold out for $3.2B to beautiful Teresa Heinz after dumping his first wife after he went through her dinky $700M

Barack Hussein Obama Junior - married luscious Moochelle Robinson - make up your own jokes


32 posted on 04/12/2014 7:20:58 AM PDT by devolve (- Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - I need more SPACE - Obama Jr -)
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To: elhombrelibre

The reset button, intended to renew the strained relationship of US and Russia after the invasion of Georgia should have been the first clue. What a collegiate juvenile act


33 posted on 04/12/2014 7:22:05 AM PDT by griswold3 ("Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".)
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To: ansel12
I really wish we had some grownups in office now

We'd still be a great nation if Dan Quayle hadn't used an alternate spelling of potatoE.

It's all been rigged to force the US into the globalist web, possibly since the founding of the Republican Party.

34 posted on 04/12/2014 7:34:37 AM PDT by grania
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To: griswold3

Yes, and Putin’s Russia has been a pain for the US often in ways that don’t get reported and some of which are classified.


35 posted on 04/12/2014 7:37:55 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: grania

Since 1854?


36 posted on 04/12/2014 8:23:31 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: JPG

Wow. Had not seen the graphic comparison before today. Shave Kerry’s head and you have...a big head.


37 posted on 04/12/2014 8:35:54 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: elhombrelibre

“Even with that said, America’s decline is more in the minds of its enemies than in its research and development and its materiel strength.”

And that perception is Obama will NOT use that strength and they are correct. Obama is waiting to use these resources against certain factions of American people - foreign powers.


38 posted on 04/12/2014 9:10:54 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: Jim Robinson

39 posted on 04/12/2014 9:13:32 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: ReformationFan
Lincoln became President soon after the Republican Party was formed. Wasn't he their second nominee? He was totally opposed to any kind of autonomy or states rights for the south. An interesting thing that came up in some research someone did yesterday is that he's the one who signed the purchase of Nevada's territory, and the fine print is what gave the feds permission to change the conditions of ownership; to replace state authority with federal authority.

So, yeah, I'm beginning to wonder just what the original Republican Party stood for.

40 posted on 04/12/2014 9:44:41 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania
The Republican Party started as the "anti-Nebraska" party--in reaction to the Kansas-Nebraska Act which opened up the possibility that new slave states might be formed in areas which slavery had been banned by the Missouri Compromise. They stood for the "free soil" position--to stop the spread of slavery in the hopes that that would doom the institution, but not trying to interfere with it where it was already established.

I think on the whole their economic policies resembled those of the Whig Party. Lincoln was a big admirer of Henry Clay.

Ironically, Nebraska has voted Republican in Presidential elections most of the time, except in landslides like 1936 and 1964. (Of late the district system has allowed the Democratic nominee to win one electoral vote in Nebraska.)

41 posted on 04/12/2014 10:40:48 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus (ADES)
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To: Jim Robinson
Why Putin is dictating terms to Kerry on Ukraine

Because Vlad has a pair and J F'ing Kerry and Hussein 0bama are Ken dolls.

42 posted on 04/12/2014 12:18:51 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I agree nonetheless, the political math is on Putin’s side, has been sense day one ironically for exactly the same reasons Sarah Palin predicted it would be.

Obama is too weak, indecisiveness, and generally poor in judgement to do anything, he proved that in Syria, Egypt, and Iran. All opportunities to make a meaningful and positive difference squandered.

Putin being a sound political calculator simply observed and took advantage, as any good national leader would. Russia now owns Crimea again and I don’t see that changing. It is of course worth noting that Crimea had only belonged to the Ukraine for the last 60 years, prior to 1954 Crimea was part of Russia.

So its not exactly as big a culture shock or historic footnote as people might think here on the other side of the world.

Honestly I don’t care about the allegiance of Crimea. That is a matter that should be exclusively the province of the people of Crimea. Let them have a vote to decide what their region should do. Short of that I am more inclined to allow Russia to take back Crimea than I am to do anything about it.


43 posted on 04/12/2014 2:21:28 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise; All
Crimea did not have a referendum, really, at least, not a real one. At least 30 to 40 percent could have been depended upon to vote against it, but results were in the 90s in favor. There were photos of children voting, pre-filled in ballots, and, of course, the whole process was overseen by Russian forces. I'll also remind people that the Crimean "Prime Minister" was member of a fringe Russian unity party with only 3 members, who became Prime Minister by walking into the Crimean Rada and declaring himself so, and making it very persuasive with the men behind him holding grenade launchers. We cannot consider what happened in Crimea to be in any way legitimate, and it is likely that, if Russia invades the eastern half of Ukraine, we will see a similar "referendum," but only after everything is under their control.

Speaking of Russian forces, one of the Russian Spetznaz goons, posing as a "concerned citizen" in Crimea, appears to be operating now in Sloviansk.

That weapon, by the way, is also a RU Sniper Rifle, apparently limited production from 2006.

Mene mene Russkie, the writing is on the wall.

44 posted on 04/12/2014 2:30:27 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Those Spetznaz boys get around.


45 posted on 04/12/2014 2:34:30 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The same thing happened in West Virginia during the “Civil War”. If it was legitimate for the ‘union’ it must be for Russia.

That said I have no pretense about there not having been a fair election. I was just saying if there were it would be the only legitimate way to decide Crimea’s fate.


46 posted on 04/12/2014 2:47:33 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The same thing happened in West Virginia during the “Civil War”. If it was legitimate for the ‘union’ it must be for Russia.

That said I have no pretense about there not having been a fair election. I was just saying if there were it would be the only legitimate way to decide Crimea’s fate.


47 posted on 04/12/2014 2:47:35 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Jim Robinson

NOBODY pushed to hard. In politics, you and the opponent push very hard. The problem is if one decides that the military approach is to be used. That must be deterred immediately. If it isn’t then it is encouraged.

odumbi is a damn cheerleader for Putin’s insanity.


48 posted on 04/12/2014 2:58:39 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Why is Putin dictating? Because he can.


49 posted on 04/13/2014 8:37:04 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Jim Robinson

There have been all too many foreign policy “Surprises, Caught Unaware, and Didn’t see it coming.” Why do we have a CIA? Why do we have an NSA? And why are we paying that guy who’s supposed to be giving King Barrak the First his daily intelligence briefings? Does anyone know if he’s getting briefed at all these days?


50 posted on 04/21/2014 11:00:11 AM PDT by The Public Eye
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