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Bundy Ranch, the Federal Government, and the Nevada Water Tipping Point
American Thinker ^ | April 12, 2014 | Monica Morrell

Posted on 04/11/2014 11:38:51 PM PDT by lilyramone

Many Americans have been watching with great consternation the ongoing struggle between the Federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the U.S. Marshals against Cliven Bundy and his family. There are no signs of either side relinquishing their position. Many onlookers have been informed that this dispute is over protecting the desert tortoise. But it is nothing of the sort. In fact, the reality of the dispute goes far underneath what is being talked about. The more appropriate source of the dispute is ground water as well as surface water -- this is a war over water.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyranch; harryreid; neilkornze; nevada

1 posted on 04/11/2014 11:38:51 PM PDT by lilyramone
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To: lilyramone

this imperial fedgov has no desire to ever tell the truth to citizens. they are incapable of doing so.


2 posted on 04/11/2014 11:55:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: lilyramone

http://www.rfdtv.com/story/25206377/oklahoma-texas-border-dispute-has-ranchers-worried


3 posted on 04/11/2014 11:56:00 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: lilyramone
Dingy: " I have every bit of confidence that Neil Kornze will be the best director we have ever had at BLM "

Maybe the best Dingy Puppet EVER in the Fed bureaucracy.

4 posted on 04/11/2014 11:59:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: lilyramone

Thanks for posting this explanation. It makes perfect sense. In WA State the leftist regulators would like to pt meters on all rural wells that do not have specifically deeded water rights because the Indians have the right to as much water as they need and they say that they need it all. In some areas of WA they have made it illegal to place rain barrel or cistern on your own property without obtaining a permit from the dept of wildlife, saying if the rain was permitted to run freely, it might run off of your property and then it wouldn’t be yours any more.

He who controls the water, controls the people. The endangered tortoise may be just a tool of the left, but hat is all the endangered species act is ever. This time, it is also a political organizing tool aimed at reuniting the Democrat base and distracting them from Obamacare.


5 posted on 04/12/2014 12:00:01 AM PDT by Eva
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To: lilyramone

Curiouser and curiouser:

Furthermore, it might be coincidental that the problems with the Bundy cattle ranching began in 1993, the same year Patricia Mulroy began serving as general manager of the Southern Nevada Water Authority. From 1989, Ms. Mulroy was also the general manager of the Las Vegas Valley Water District. The author attempted to contact Ms. Mulroy for a comment but she retired from both positions a few months ago in February.

It’s also possible the drought in the western states could have been the catalyst to the desperate actions by the Federal authorities surrounding the Bundy cattle operation. Currently, water rights in Nevada run anywhere from $7,000 to $50,000 per acre foot (depending on the time of year and the amount of rainfall or snowfall in the western region). The water in Nevada is then auctioned, as it has been for at least twenty-five years. That same water can be resold in Las Vegas, Arizona, or Southern California.

Bunkerville in Nevada is ensconced between the Virgin River and the main road, Riverside Road. The Virgin River is a tributary to Lake Mead. The river, along with other sources, discharges into Lake Mead, the largest reservoir in the United States. Both the Virgin River and Lake Mead are part of the Colorado River Basin. In fact, Lake Mead is considered to be the largest surface water collection for the Colorado River. Whoever controls the water controls the vast wealth that is distributed to a network of states at a crucial time during a water shortage.


6 posted on 04/12/2014 12:07:15 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Add to that, so much of what ends up in Lake Mead ends up evaporating (the main problem with these manmade desert “lakes”).


7 posted on 04/12/2014 12:17:17 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: lilyramone

“The real wealth is in the water to support the plush green golf courses, and surrounding housing developments, gleaming swimming pools, and other demands by hotels and households in Las Vegas, Arizona, and Southern California.”

Crony capitalism strikes again. The corporate prostitutes who bankroll the Dems and RINOs are calling in their chips.

Too bad this isn’t 1800, before massive Federal Power and law Enforcement elites. The locals would have settled this in their own proper way.


8 posted on 04/12/2014 12:35:48 AM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: lilyramone

I feel like this Rancher is part of a dying America. An America of rugged individualism, hard work ethic, and self dependence. It is sad that there is fewer and fewer such men, and that society is trying to exterminate such people by force of government.


9 posted on 04/12/2014 12:48:11 AM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: Jim Robinson

Add to that the desert (straw man) tortoise fares better on grazed land.


10 posted on 04/12/2014 12:51:50 AM PDT by glock rocks (If you like your health plan, you're a racist !)
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To: lilyramone
Al Bundy - Cowboy


11 posted on 04/12/2014 12:51:55 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Add to that, so much of what ends up in Lake Mead ends up evaporating (the main problem with these manmade desert “lakes”).

I once talked with a hydrologist looking in central Tanzania for enough water for the new capitol, Dodoma. He said the problem was that rainfall averaged less than one meter per year while evaporation was 2 meters per year.

OK, I looked it up. Here are the numbers for Lake Mead:

"The average monthly rates for the Lake Mead open-water evaporation stations were computed for 1998 and 1999. For open-water stations, the sum of the average monthly rates for 1998 was 88.9 in. (7.4 ft) and the sum for 1999 was 90.7 in. (7.6 ft; table 7). For these 2 years, the average annual Lake Mead evaporation rate was 89.8 in. (7.5 ft). "

Estimating Evaporation from Lake Mead

12 posted on 04/12/2014 1:31:10 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: GraceG

Sadly, this entire story reminds me of an old western cowboy movie with land grabbing, water rights and all. It may not be long before the gun fights begin.

Having lived in the west, I understand the importance of water rights and Mr. Bundy is clearly a victim of some of that.

Per Bundy’s son David, who was interviewed by Fox, what upsets me is that the BLM deliberately destroyed some of the water holes and pipeline systems that fed water to a variety of domestic cattle and wildlife in that area as well. Are you surprised? NOT ME.


13 posted on 04/12/2014 1:37:34 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Progov

This is not the first time the feds have acted this way.


14 posted on 04/12/2014 2:06:33 AM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: GraceG

Wow, I never would have made the connection to Al Bundy without your knee-slapper of a post.


15 posted on 04/12/2014 2:37:37 AM PDT by Gigantor (The Fundamentally Transformed States of America)
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To: Progov

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/bundy_ranch_the_federal_government_and_the_nevada_water_tipping_point.html


16 posted on 04/12/2014 2:42:45 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: exnavy

Waco II


17 posted on 04/12/2014 2:58:28 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Progov

Did you ever see the movie Milagro Beanfield War? Has many elements similar to what’s happening now.


18 posted on 04/12/2014 3:15:44 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Progov

I was thinking this whole story reminded me of the movie Chinatown. Jim Robinson even posted about a character named Mrs Mulroy. I believe that was the name of Faye Dunaways character in the movie. If you recall it was about a murder and who controlled water rights in Los Angeles.


19 posted on 04/12/2014 3:16:12 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: lilyramone

Well whats it really about?
Water, Oil, a solar energy farm?
I think it’s all a bout creating civil unrest so that
the fascists can declare martial law and suspend elections.
There is a coup d’etat going on right now you know.
Everyone is looking out for the reason when they should be
looking in. Some how, some way, Obama and his fascists
handlers are behind this.


20 posted on 04/12/2014 3:40:36 AM PDT by Slambat
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To: Jim Robinson

When I was in college last there was a book that haunted me. So much so it still comes to mind when I hear about all these new water grabs by the government. The text has chapters on historic and recent case studies. Whoever controls the water controls everything - everything.

I had to go to Amazon to find the name again. And there the description on the book should make anyone take notice:
“The fluidity of transboundary waters perfectly represents contemporary challenges to modern governance. This book offers conceptual and empirical support for the idea that the human relationship with water must move beyond rationalist definitions of water as product, property, and commodity. “

That alone tells you everything about it.
If interested, this is it: Reflections on Water: New Approaches to Transboundary Conflicts and Cooperation (American and Comparative Environmental Policy) -by Joachim Blatter (Editor), Helen Ingram (Editor)

This was the lone text book for a full semester in a graduate school on public administration. So a lot of time was spent on this. Probably meant to ‘nudge’ our minds to globalization of government. Especially since a reoccurring theme in many classes was about the need for ‘efficiency of services’ by merging of governments.


21 posted on 04/12/2014 4:28:47 AM PDT by TianaHighrider
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To: lilyramone

Will this incident become Obama’s “Kent State”? Obamacare tazed a lot of people when it caused their health insurance to be canceled. We have already seen a few cancer patients die prematurely due to lapse in medical care. Millions have had their premiums go up. Is that not a form of bureaucratic “tazing”? It was only a matter of time before the tazing was done out in the open by the hired thugs of the bureaucrats, who were “just doing their job”.


22 posted on 04/12/2014 4:54:02 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: lilyramone; Progov
Let's see... Land, Land, see snatch.

You see, it can be done! It CAN be done!!!

23 posted on 04/12/2014 5:13:54 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: ViLaLuz

Fantastic movie...I grudgingly admit that Redford is an amazing director! Just like Sean Penn is a great actor. They just can’t keep their mouths shut and do their jobs!


24 posted on 04/12/2014 5:25:46 AM PDT by Madhattan (Oh Sandy)
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To: Madhattan

Waiting for Obama to pull off what Reagan did to the Air Traffic Controllers to show the Russians what he’s capable of. This time he will use Waco tactics.


25 posted on 04/12/2014 5:50:29 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter
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26 posted on 04/12/2014 6:05:12 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Eva
<>He who controls the water, controls the people.

Bingo. In a word, extortion. The commies have strategically targeted natural resources ( a pillar of any economy ) such as oil, gas, coal, rare metals...and now water and carbon. This has to be part of the conservative agenda; to reign in the EPA and especially the Endangered Species Act.

27 posted on 04/12/2014 6:12:46 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: baddog 219

Don’t go there Buddy!


28 posted on 04/12/2014 6:17:13 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: Slambat

Bank on it.

However, I don’t foresee their plan working out like they think it will.

III%


29 posted on 04/12/2014 6:24:13 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: Madhattan

Milagro Beanfield War got terrible reviews... But I believe the critics didn’t have the proper cultural sensibilities to appreciate it.


30 posted on 04/12/2014 6:37:17 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Paladin2

Maybe “director” was a misprint,& it should have said “dictator”..??


31 posted on 04/12/2014 7:04:31 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: baddog 219
It appears the feds are preparing for a Waco style slaughter. See post #95.

http://www.oathkeepers.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39367&page=10

32 posted on 04/12/2014 8:36:20 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: VRW Conspirator

The bird that the EPA is using to shut down oil and gas drilling in five western states is only on the threatened list, not endangered. The anti Oil and gas greens have been trying to do this for years and finally found some sympathetic decision maker to help them


33 posted on 04/12/2014 8:47:26 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
He who controls the water, controls the people.

"Forget it Jake. It's CHINATOWN".

FMCDH(BITS)

34 posted on 04/12/2014 9:00:03 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: lilyramone

This is not new. The Feds have been trying to take ranchers water rights all over the West. The water rights are tied directly to the grazing rights. In some counties the Sheriff’s have stopped it. Sadly Mr. Bundy lives in the Democratic Socialist county of Clark, NV.

The plan is to get the cattle off the range, drive the price of beef up so high no one can afford it. They want to eliminate beef and pork if possible. No more cow farts destroying the atmosphere. Its all about green.


35 posted on 04/12/2014 9:04:56 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Its all about green”

I disagree, though I think you do realize that “green” is just the latest color of paint employed by the current power hungry psychopaths calling the shots. This ultimately is about water. Currency would more appropriately be based on water than any other substance, if it is to be relative to anything other than man’s labor. Think about it: what can be done in life without water? He who controls the water makes the decisions on the existence of communities and even cities, can control who can raise livestock or grow food, and which industries have access to needed water for the production of energy to widgets.

Those in power have not yet been challenged in the way Bundy and those who are standing there with him are doing. It has been business as usual for the tyrants running the FedGov, in conjunction with the Nature Conservancy and Soros entities buying up water rights, and those not up for sale become targets of the Center for Biological Diversity to find a “green” victim so a FedGov agency can flat out STEAL the water in the name of the current ‘paint’ color of the day. Tyranny will always be Tyranny, and unless a populace will forego their comforts and stand up against such, evil wins.

Just my two cents.


36 posted on 04/12/2014 9:42:40 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Carthego delenda est

Yes, Green is Agenda 21 a UN initiative to basically establish a worldwide totalitarian dictatorship.

We have allowed the Federal govt to be taken over by the Progressive/Communist movement and become too large and too powerful. Now we will have to pay the price by taking control. Its never fun when you let things go too far.


37 posted on 04/12/2014 10:54:54 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Carthego delenda est

This is all part of the massive political organizing by the Democrats to win back the Democrat base before the November election and further divide the country along ideological lines, distracting from the Obamacare debacle.


38 posted on 04/12/2014 10:57:04 AM PDT by Eva
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