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Watching God's Heavens—What is He Saying through Blood Moon Tetrads and Solar Eclipses?
Breaking Christian News.com ^ | 04/11/14 | Aimee Herd

Posted on 04/12/2014 7:35:48 AM PDT by kindred

"Israel as a nation is 'God's time clock,'" –Pastor John Kilpatrick

blood moons By now the term "blood moon" is likely no longer alien to you, and may even have been discussed around the water cooler this week. (Photo by Luc Viatour/via EarthSky.org)

And now that you have the astronomical description for four of them in a row—a "tetrad"—you may be feeling like your vocabulary has experienced a nice upgrade.

But what is all the eschatological (there's another one—'end times') discussion about anyway? What are some of the things being said?

After watching a few messages by Pastors John Kilpatrick and John Hagee—who are both saying the same thing, for the most part—I thought breaking their main points down into a fairly brief article might be of service to some who are curious, but who may not have time to watch numerous sermons.

Not Just Christians

One thing I've noticed in digging into the subject of the coming astronomical event is that the interest is not just found among Bible Believers.

Those in the secular science community are also intrigued—not just by the blood moon tetrad—but also in the fact that it does coincide with major Jewish feast days.

blood moonsI've found several sites that have not only given a wealth of information on the tetrad, but also on the fact that this and next year's will occur at special times according to the Jewish calendar. (Graphic via John Kilpatrick Ministries)

That stood out to me—there are those who are not yet Believers who are paying attention… looking, watching and waiting to see if anything significant, God-oriented or major does indeed happen.

The Blood Moon Tetrad Facts and When to Watch

Interesting celestial events already began this week, with the "opposition of Mars"—it's perfect alignment with the sun, and also with Earth.

Next week—on Monday—Mars will be at its closest to Earth in 6 years; you'll be able to see it shining brightly in the night sky. Then on Tuesday morning April 15th (in North America) at approximately 3AM Eastern Time, the moon will be not only full, but there will be a full lunar eclipse as the Earth passes between the moon and the sun. The sun's light that reflects off the moon will then be filtered through Earth's atmosphere—basically all Earth's sunsets at once—and it will cause the moon to appear red like blood.

blood moonsThe blood moon will happen again this year, on October 8th; and then there will be two more blood moons next year on April 4 and September 28th—that makes a lunar tetrad.

EarthSky.org describes a lunar tetrad as: "Four successive total lunar eclipses, with no partial lunar eclipses in between, each of which is separated from the other by six lunar months (six full moons)."

The Significance Relating to Israel

According to Hagee and Kilpatrick (as well as others), the moons relate to Israel because the Jewish calendar is mainly a lunar-based calendar. The solar eclipses relate to the world because the rest of the world goes by the solar-based Gregorian calendar.

Now, tetrads aren't necessarily that rare—there was one in 2003—but the fact that each blood moon in this tetrad coincides with major Jewish feast days is rare.

blood moonsTuesday's blood moon happens on Passover; October's on Sukkot; next April's on Passover again, and the final blood moon of the tetrad falls on Sukkot once again. That last one is the only one that will be visible by Israel—but because it occurs on Sukkot (the Feast of Tabernacles) many Jews will be outside, sleeping under the stars so-to-speak, in their tents or booths according to the Jewish Feast tradition. (Photo via John Hagee Ministries)

And not only that, but the final blood moon will also be at perigee—also known as a "super moon" because it is at its closest to Earth on its lunar orbit.

It will be one SUPER BLOOD MOON!

So What? Wait, there's More…

Not only will the tetrad happen, but in 2015 there will also be two solar eclipses. The first one—a total solar eclipse— will fall on March 20th, or Nisan 1 in the Jewish calendar which is effectively their first day of their first month.

The second solar eclipse will be partial, and will occur on September 13th which is Rosh Hashanah; the first of the "High Holy Days" and also known as the Feast of Trumpets.

Why Is Any of This Significant?

Pastor John Hagee notes Genesis 1:14, "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years."

blood moonsThat is, the sun, moon and stars can also be used by God as a sign to Earth's inhabitants. (Graphic via John Kilpatrick Ministries)

Basically the coming tetrad is significant to Israel, and to Christians who love Israel, because of history—Israel's history.

In 21 centuries there have only been 8 (including this coming one) blood moon tetrads that fell on the Jewish Feasts of Passover and Sukkot and the 3 most recent ones occurred during extremely important events for Israel.

Tetrad of 1493-1494 – If you go back one year, you know Christopher Columbus sailed his famous voyage to discover the "new world" in 1492. What many may not realize is that this happened during Spain's Expulsion of the Jews, when the edict came down that all Jews in Spain had 3 months to leave. So the blood moon tetrad of that time happened during great persecution of the Jews.

Pastor John Kilpatrick notes that Christopher Columbus was sympathetic to the Jews and carried some on board his ships to the new world, and that his trip may even have been financed by them.

Because of this, as the tetrad of those years occurred, a bond was formed between Israel and the new world—America.

Tetrad of 1949-1950 – This tetrad happened just a few years after the end of WWII and in 1948, just prior to the tetrad, Israel was formally recognized by the world as a nation.

Tetrad of 1967-1968 – The Six-Day War began when attacks were mounted against Israel and she retaliated; it ended with an Israeli victory. What Does the 2014 – 2015 Tetrad Signify?

Both Pastors Kilpatrick and Hagee are quick to answer "I don't know." But they add that it is important to WATCH—not just look; but observe, keep vigil, stay alert and most importantly…

blood moons…watch and pray.

Pastor Kilpatrick notes that Israel as a nation is "God's time clock," which means these things are important to Christians too. (Photo by: Fred Espenak of NASA/via EarthSky.org)

Certainly, when you look at Joel 2:31 in the Bible, you can't help but get a little excited considering the celestial events before us!

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD." -Joel 2:31

The thing to remember is, if you are a Christian (you know that Jesus is your Savior and you are living for Him), don't be fearful, but as Jesus said, "Be dressed in readiness and keep your lamp alight." And be ready to share about this great Hope that is in you with anyone who asks.

If in reading about these things, you feel conviction by the Holy Spirit, or you know your heart isn't right before the Lord, then don't wait—get right with the Lord Jesus today, and then rejoice!


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; notanewstopic
It is high time for all mankind to realize that the God of Israel, the Father, is bringing this violent and arrogant Satan run world system under the Kingship of Jesus Christ, His dear Son and our Lord and Savior. He has warned fallen mankind throughout the millenia of His Godhead and how to make peace with Him by grace through faith in the finished work through the blood of Jesus Christ who will judge all the quick and the dead.

Romans 3: 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

1 posted on 04/12/2014 7:35:48 AM PDT by kindred
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To: kindred

message? what message?


2 posted on 04/12/2014 7:38:52 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

The message is in all of creation. Putting a lot of credence to relatively unique astronomical events is what tribal cultures do - via ignorance.


3 posted on 04/12/2014 7:41:45 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: kindred
What is He Saying through Blood Moon Tetrads and Solar Eclipses?

That, as happens periodically, the nodes of the moon's orbit are aligned with the line joining the earth and sun?

4 posted on 04/12/2014 7:43:04 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: bert

Go to sleep, go to sleep little one.Join the ones who plow on in their arrogance if you choose. Or make peace with God and accept the gift God the Father proivided by His only begotten Son in whom He was well pleased and who now sits at His right hand as He makes all His enemies His footstool. Bible prophecy is being fulfilled even now and God the King will rule all the nations of the world after the 7 year wrath to come.


5 posted on 04/12/2014 7:44:42 AM PDT by kindred (They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. Salvation by Lord Jesus only!)
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To: kindred

Well, rather than depending upon apparently rather sensationalized claims tiptoeing around both astrology and Biblical prophecy, why not turn to the people most prominently associated with the purported meaning of the whole thing?

There are Jewish sects that follow such things. Might be able to find something online. One source would Kabalistic astrology, avoid the New Age pretenders who are not Jewish.

From what I can tell they see it as a tightening and a build up to something from ancient times, a transformation that is not good for Israel. Pretty abstract. Beyond that I don’t see much agreement.


6 posted on 04/12/2014 7:47:56 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: kindred

If you look at the historical pattern of events such as this in the past, it becomes clear what is about to happen beginning this year...

In the 1492 tetrad, Jews were cast out of Spain and the new world was discovered by Columbus as their refuge.

In the 1948 tetrad, Israel was reborn as a nation.

In the 1967 tetrad, the 6 day war resulted in Israel regaining most of it’s territory back

What I would expect to see happen beginning this year based on the historical pattern is a final purge of Palastine from Jerusalem. This could include Israel regaining ALL of their territories back, as well as FULL control of all parts of Jerusalem. It can also mean that we will see the mosque located in the temple mound removed or destroyed to make way for the rebuilding of the Holy Temple. It is most likely that this series of events will begin with war against Israel from it’s neighboring Arab nations (prophesied in Psalm 83).

This Obviously would NOT go over very well in the world... and will most likely be the triggering event which leads the nations to gather their forces against Israel. This confrontation (NOT armageddon) is prophesied in Ezekiel 38.


7 posted on 04/12/2014 7:50:58 AM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: kindred
What is He Saying through Blood Moon Tetrads and Solar Eclipses?
8 posted on 04/12/2014 7:52:55 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: bert

It blows my mind how people still somehow think whatever astronomical event they see is still a sign of God’s or gods’s wrath as if these celestial occurrences have NEVER happened in history and that they haven’t been eaisly charted out by physicists using simple math years ago.

They are as bad as the people that keep claiming to “see” Nibiru or that comet ISON was an alien spaceship...until it flew by us and crashed into the sun.


9 posted on 04/12/2014 7:57:13 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: kindred

Didn’t the professor scare some superstitious natives using an eclipse?


10 posted on 04/12/2014 8:02:10 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Safrguns

May the good Lord Jesus Christ bless and keep you and yours.


11 posted on 04/12/2014 8:02:45 AM PDT by kindred (They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. Salvation by Lord Jesus only!)
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To: cuban leaf
What is He Saying through Blood Moon Tetrads and Solar Eclipses?

More importantly, what has He said in the Old and New Testaments?

12 posted on 04/12/2014 8:03:17 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: RegulatorCountry

Here’s an example, this particular Kabbalist sees it as a sign of disaster, manmade or natural, bloodshed and war, ushering in a peace treaty, and sees this peace treaty as a good thing. Followers of Biblical prophecy will immediately suspect this to be the false peace created by dividing the land.


BLOOD MOON TETRAD
Infrequently in the history of the world comes an astrological/astronomical event called a Blood Moon Tetrad. This event is a series of 4 lunar eclipses over a two year period. Even more infrequently these lunar eclipses coincide with Biblical Holidays. During the years 2014 and 2015 this Blood Moon Tetrad will occur on the Biblical Holiday of Pesach and Sukkot. This actually will occur in both years for the Holiday of Pesach and Sukkot. The Hebrew Calendar equivalent years are 5774 and 5775. It is interesting to note that the year 5775 is a Sabbatical Year called Shemitah in Hebrew. It is also interesting to note that the Sabbatical year will end on Rosh HaShana 2015 which will start the Hebrew year of 5776. It is also interesting to note that the year 5775 is the 10th year of a Yovel or Jubilee.

There have only been 7 Blood Moon Tetrads since the year 1 of the Common Era. As we know in Kabbalah 7 is a significant number. There were 2 in the 20th Century. One immediately following the establishment of the Government of the modern state of Israel (1949-50) and the other immediately preceding the reunification of Jerusalem with the modern state of Israel (1967-68). There was also one in the years 1493-94. This dealt with the expulsion from Spain of the Jews and the discovery of the Americas.

What is the meaning of the Blood Moon Tetrad?

The Talmud teaches that lunar eclipses are negative omens for the Jewish Nation and solar eclipses are a negative omen for the other 70 nations. It also says that when the moon is red it is indicative of war and bloodshed. With that being said we also need the information about two solar eclipses that will occur coincidently in the year 2015. One on the first of Nissan and partial solar eclipse on Rosh HaShana the first day of Tishrai.

The general understanding of the Blood Moon Tetrad is that just as the first of the 4 lunar eclipses a signficant event will happen within the history of man. It may be natural disaster or a man made event. If it does not happen at the first event than it will happen just before or after the 4th event. Please note that the idea of the 4 lunar eclipses relates to the 4 letters of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH).

In Hebrew Astrology a lunar eclipse is thought of as an amplication device. It amplifies the energy that is in the cosmos at the time of the event. What is the energy of the cosmos on the night of the first seder? It is free lunch. The same light that comes into the universe on Shavuot - the night of the revelation of the Torah comes into the universe on the night of the first seder. Then this light disappears and returns on Shavuot. The 50 days in between are an important ritual of cleansing and building your vessel. This year due to the amplication effect of the lunar eclipse the revelation of the Light of the Torah will have a greater impact. Let us hope that people will realize that their vessel needs to be built to a greater degree so that they will be able to handle the change the world will undergo over the next 50 days.

To truly understand what will happen on the night of Passover 5774 read this paragraph.

Every year on Passover the same energy of the initial redemption comes into the universe. It is the energy of the revelation of the Torah that takes place on Shavuot. There is only one difference. On Pesach HaShem created a miracle and changed the natural rules of the universe. On Pesach the energy is free. There is no bread of shame since the Children of Israel had fallen to the 49th Gate of Negativity and HaShem did not want them to fall any farther. Therefore, he revealed the Light of Torah on Pesach during the plague of the first born. There was free energy that night and then that energy left the universe until it was to return on Shavuot. The difference is that on Shavuot to receive the energy one must have earned it by counting the Omer. This avoids the penalty of bread of shame.

On Pesach 5774 the lunar eclipse will amplify this energy. The lunar eclipse will make the energy of freedom stronger. This strength will cause the manifestation of the Peace in the Middle East promised in the verse discussed in the next paragraph. The world will change do to this amplification just as it changed in 1948 with the revelation of the modern state of Israel and also in 1967 with the reunification of Jerusalem. You can wait on the sidelines and watch or you can participate in the joy of this change this Pesach. That choice is yours to make.

There is one hint in the Torah that will explain this world change. It is the verse in Samuel Bet Chapter 7:10. This verse which we at yeshshem and our students have been saying since the beginning of the year 5774 relates to the potential peace treaty between the government of Israel and the government of the Palestinian People. This will manifest during or shortly after these 50 days leading up to or shortly after Shavuot.

As to the possibility of what the world change will be if it manifests after the 4th lunar eclipse we will write about this when we reveal the messages in the Name of the year 5775.

http://www.yeshshem.com/kabbalah-blood-moon-5774-5.htm#blood


13 posted on 04/12/2014 8:10:01 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: kindred

What God is saying is, “The engine of the cosmos is performing just as I planned at the beginning of time.”


14 posted on 04/12/2014 8:19:08 AM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: Alex Murphy

More importantly, what has He said in the Old and New Testaments?


Exactly. And even more importantly, what is He saying to you, personally, as you pray and live in Him?


15 posted on 04/12/2014 8:26:45 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: kindred

Interesting celestial events already began this week, with the “opposition of Mars”—it’s perfect alignment with the sun, and also with Earth.

Good evening,’ said Ronan. ‘Students, are you? And do you learn much, up at the school?’
‘Erm -’
‘A bit,’ said Hermione timidly.
‘A bit. Well that’s something.’ Ronan sighed. He flung back his head and stared at the sky, ‘Mars is bright tonight’.
‘Yeah,’ said Hagrid, glancing up too. ‘Listen, I’m glad we’ve run inter yeh, Ronan, ‘cause there’s a unicorn bin hurt - you seen anythin’?’
Ronan didn’t answer immediately. He started unblinkingly upwards, then sighed again.
‘Always the innocent are the first victims,’ he said. ‘So it has been for ages past, so it is now.’
‘Yeah,’ said Hagrid, ‘but have yeh seen anythin’, Ronan? Anythin’ unusual?’
‘Mars is bright tonight,’ Ronan repeated while Hagrid watched him impatiently. ‘Unusually bright.’


16 posted on 04/12/2014 8:28:12 AM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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To: kindred

Light can do funny things. I’ll keep planting my tree.


17 posted on 04/12/2014 8:29:08 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: kindred
Don't forget the Annular Solar Eclipse on April 29 of this year. This will actually be a full solar eclipse, but with the moon at apogee, meaning it's farthest point away from the Earth. So visually it is smaller, and doesn't quite cover the entire disk of the sun. Thus a ring, or annulus, of the sun visually surrounds the moon.

Annular eclipses are quite rare, and this one occurs after the first blood moon on April 15. And as for the date, there is definitely something important about it - after all, it wouldn't have been chosen by William and Kate for their royal wedding if it didn't signify something. Which, of course, makes its general non-mention in this blood moon/solar eclipse series of events particularly interesting. For it has literally become "the eclipse that is not named."

Now why is that?

18 posted on 04/12/2014 8:31:27 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: cuban leaf

This smells a lot like astrology.


19 posted on 04/12/2014 8:37:34 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: kindred

What’s the frequency Kenneth?


20 posted on 04/12/2014 8:38:44 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: VanDeKoik
It blows my mind how people still somehow think whatever astronomical event they see is still a sign of God’s or gods’s wrath as if these celestial occurrences have NEVER happened in history and that they haven’t been eaisly charted out by physicists using simple math years ago. They are as bad as the people that keep claiming to “see” Nibiru or that comet ISON was an alien spaceship...until it flew by us and crashed into the sun.

It blows my mind that self-proclaimed "scientific" people post on a religious thread while rejecting the presumptions of the religion. And then do so in a way that ignores the subtleties of the issue while projecting their own limited understanding on the thread. As if that's not enough, they then use it to try to justify unrelated contentious issues by piling them in as so-called examples of their first illogical presumption.

But then sophmoric people, by definition, don't know they're sophmoric.

21 posted on 04/12/2014 8:44:08 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Yeah, ok.

It’s still really stupid people looking at completely naturally-recurring phenomenon and pretending like God is sending them a message.

Spoiler alert: God isn’t talking to you through this stuff. Just like a solar eclipse isn’t a dragon eating the Sun and spitting it out, or a volcano isn’t a goddess angry that you didn’t sacrifice enough virgins.

Have a little more respect for the guy. Subtlety isn’t what he is known for.


22 posted on 04/12/2014 8:52:08 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Fresh Wind

>>> This smells a lot like astrology.

No... astrology smells a lot like the corruption of God’s word.

Gen 1:14

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Luke 21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;


23 posted on 04/12/2014 8:55:03 AM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: VanDeKoik

You’re not listening, and you’re not making the point you think you’re making.


24 posted on 04/12/2014 8:55:27 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: kindred
it's perfect alignment with the sun

Sorry. I am a longtime, dyed-wool dispensationalist with an intense interest in the similarities between the present and the apocalyptic future.

However, when I see "it's" when it should be "its", I stop reading, as I can reasonably assume that the writer is operating from a literacy-free zone.

25 posted on 04/12/2014 9:06:04 AM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Back in Moses’s day and in the time of Philo and Josephus, Passover was celebrated when the Sun was in Aries. Aries held the equinox.

But our earth’s wobble has actually changed the equinox star alignment... it is now in Pisces and the sun doesn’t enter Aries until late April- May.

Last year, the sun entered Aries on or around April 11th. There was a new moo at the same time...

I believe it will be later this month.. maybe as late as April 20th or so.. and no new moon would be seen until around the 30th of April.
Some people celebrated Passover at that time, while the sun was in Aries but I think the calendar showed it in march.

It seems the world is using April 14th this year , and the sun will be in Pisces, not Aries?

I can see the age of the fishers (pisces- two fish) of men being a divine ordination but is Aries (the Ram/lamb) one of the signs in the sky God gave Moses and unchangeable even if it is further away from equinox (still I spring)

That doesn’t happen with a new moon until May 1st in 2014...
That would change the fall feasts too.. into Libra, the scales.. which Philo mentions also.. It would fall in Virgo if April 14th is passover( which again, the virgin bride in the ‘church age’ being divinely ordained..

Could passover be made and forced to hit these blood moons by men to start something on their own?


26 posted on 04/12/2014 9:08:13 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Talisker

> Don’t forget the Annular Solar Eclipse on April 29 of this year.

I’m sure the LGBT crowd will celebrate this one...


27 posted on 04/12/2014 9:20:13 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: delchiante

From what I understand the lunar calendar is monitored and regulated very closely by actual observance, and variation from it would be regarded as an abomination, so while someone might be tempted to manipulate in such a manner, it would not likely be without well-known and perhaps even violent protest.

Procession has long been known, understood and accounted for, even in “pop” astrology, for instance all the New Age “Age Of Aquarius” stuff going back to the sixties. So, for serious scholars pursuing the matter in a religious manner, they would not be thrown off by it.

Astrology was practically inseparable from astronomy going back two thousand years ago. That there was meaning encoded in the movement and associated phenomena of the sun, moon, planets and stars was accepted by all. It was the “science” of the day. Now, science says it’s all ordered by physical laws with no further meaning to be derived. This is in opposition to many statements in the Bible.

But, that’s where we are. I don’t think modern science is wrong about the basic ordering of the physical universe, but I do think there is a strong vein of bias against supporting any remotely religious connotation. And, I do believe that there is further meaning. It’s just that it’s all been reduced to opinionated babble with so many bad actors and so many self-interested manipulators that any meaning is very difficult to determine through all the noise and mockery.


28 posted on 04/12/2014 9:22:26 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: kindred

Pagans are real superstitious about celestial coincidences, too.


29 posted on 04/12/2014 9:34:56 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: kindred
Pastors John Kilpatrick and John Hagee

Who are these people ?

They seem to be very late to understand.

This was published seven years ago here on FR.

FR 2008

Shabbat Shalom !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
30 posted on 04/12/2014 9:54:25 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: jsanders2001

LOL, clever.


31 posted on 04/12/2014 10:09:23 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I just want to beat my head against the table every time this comes up.


32 posted on 04/12/2014 10:10:58 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: VanDeKoik
You seem to have it backwards.

Its not..O a random unique event is the sky, God is mad.

it is the sky is a clock..it is predictable ..the concept being its God clock when that clock chimes an hour it time for a promise event to happen..

Its fine to critique but at least understand what you critique, it will make your critique better

It like atheists talking about following sky gods, Jews and Christians do not worship a sky god

Jews and Christians worship God the Creator eternal (omnipresent, omnitemprol and ihat is the root cause of all, like physical laws)

33 posted on 04/12/2014 10:15:59 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: VanDeKoik
They are as bad as the people that keep claiming to “see” Nibiru...

I just shake my head when the whack jobs make that claim.

Nibiru is invisible!

34 posted on 04/12/2014 10:39:28 AM PDT by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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BFL


35 posted on 04/12/2014 12:23:13 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Fresh Wind

This smells a lot like astrology.


Ya think?!

:-P


36 posted on 04/12/2014 1:04:04 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: kindred; VanDeKoik; cuban leaf
So there really is “a bad moon on the rise” (or is it “a bathroom on the right”?). I can’t seem to keep them straight. : ),

Now, tetrads aren't necessarily that rare—there was one in 2003—but the fact that each blood moon in this tetrad coincides with major Jewish feast days is rare.

Not really. The Jewish calendar is a lunar based calendar and several holidays as the blogger points out, Passover and Sukkot fall in the 15 day of the Jewish lunar calendar, i.e. on a full moon. But since full lunar eclipse only happen when the moon is full, it would not be all that surprising that eclipses even sometimes tetrads, coincide with Jewish holidays.

The Jewish calendar counts from the traditional date assigned to the creation of the world. It is a lunar calendar that is adjusted to remain in relationship to the seasons of the solar year. As such the monthly calendar more or less lines up with the phases of the moon, with those Jewish holidays falling on or about the 15th of a Jewish month taking place when there is a full moon, and the beginning of a new month corresponding to the appearance of a new moon (Ex. 12:1-2).

From: http://www.northshorejewishcenter.org/services/holiday-guide/

Interesting celestial events already began this week, with the "opposition of Mars"—it's perfect alignment with the sun, and also with Earth.

Oppositions between Earth and Mars happen about every 26 months because the planets are relatively close to one another so it is not exactly a rare event.

Tuesday's blood moon happens on Passover; October's on Sukkot; next April's on Passover again, and the final blood moon of the tetrad falls on Sukkot once again. That last one is the only one that will be visible by Israel.

So? The others were just “practice”?

And:

Dickinson also notes that tetrads aren’t actually that unusual. They occur when there are four successive total lunar eclipses separated by six month periods when the Earth is directly between the Moon and the Sun, first refracting the sunlight through the atmosphere onto the Moon (making it ‘red’) and then blocking all direct illumination (the eclipse).

This isn’t even the first tetrad of this century (that was in 2003-2004) and including this one there will be seven more before the year 2100. And although it is certainly rarer for all four eclipses to coincide with Passover and Sukkot (this has happen eight times since 162 CE) this is still frequently enough to make any concurrent events of historical significance nothing more than coincidence.

Throw a dart at a calendar and you’ll find something of ‘historical significance’ happening on that day. It’s just what history is like.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/blood-moons-the-apocalypse-and-why-this-lunar-eclipse-is-nothing-more-than-coincidence-30167181.html

And I think the bolded part makes a good point. At any point in time, nearly on any given day, there is some sort of visible celestial event, planetary alignments, comets, meteor showers, “super moons”, so called “blood” moons, total lunar or solar eclipses, or a natural disaster like an earthquake, a volcanic eruption, big hurricanes and cyclones, tornado outbreak, floods, droughts, rock slides, etc., etc., etc. And history keeps happening too. There are political upheavals; the beginnings of wars, invasions, assassinations, etc., etc., etc. So at any point in time, yes one can associate a naturally occurring event happening near to some significant historical event but are they “signs” or just a coincidence? I’m going with coincidence as I also don’t believe in palm or tea leave reading or in horoscopes.

I for one am looking forward to getting up early on April 15th to stand and watch in awe the beauty of it.

37 posted on 04/12/2014 2:52:22 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Safrguns

Signs does not refer to mystical heebee-jeebees. Signs means calculating when to plant crops or shear sheep or calulating when tides occur. Everyday stuff like that.


38 posted on 04/13/2014 5:49:39 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

>>> Signs does not refer to mystical heebee-jeebees.

LoL... you should do your research before embarrassing yourself like that.

The Hebrew translation is “owth” (Sign)

It is used for the following:

a distinguishing mark

banner

remembrance

miraculous sign

omen

warning

So YES... it does mean “mystical heebee jeebees as you put it.


39 posted on 04/13/2014 7:54:59 PM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: Safrguns

Then you should not tempt God.

Deuteronomy 4:19 And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.


40 posted on 04/13/2014 8:25:08 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

>>> Then you should not tempt God.

You should not abuse His word as you are doing.


41 posted on 04/13/2014 8:38:55 PM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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